🇩🇪 Kai Havertz

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

11 hours ago, Jason said:

When will people realize that United don't need a player like Havertz?  

What? Player like Havertz as in an already very good player, potential one in a generational attacking player who can play in 4 or 5 positions: LW, RW, CAM, CM and CF, who had scored 18 goals last season and 20 the one before in a high standard league all at the age 21? What team doesnt need a player like that? I mean is United's attack really that good that Havertz wouldn’t play? Even if it wasn't a necessity to not have any interest or think he would be a great signing, even for United, would be a huge mistake. They wanted Sancho so I dont see why they wouldn’t want Havertz or have an interest either. Similarly both are attacking players, with good goal and assist returns, different playing styles but again don’t get what you mean they ‘don’t’ need a player like him. 

Regardless of if they wanted him or not, the longer we fuck about for this fee, the more likely another team, be it a PSG or a City or a Juventus or a Barcelona or somebody, has to swoop in. Just give then 75-85m and get it done. Simple as that.

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

What a potential generational talent attacking player who can play in 4 or 5 positions: LW, RW, CAM, CM and CF? What team doesnt need a player like that? I mean is United's attack really that good that Havertz wouldn’t play? 

Regardless of if they want him or not the longer we fuck about the more likely another team, be it a PSG or a City or a Juventus or a Barcelona or somebody, has to swoop in. 

simple as that.

Havertz may be versatile to play in several positions but he doesn’t excel in all of those positions. United need/want a specialist RW and Havertz isn’t that. Otherwise, don’t you think they would have made a move already? They are still going after Sancho, who is obviously their #1 target. Moreover, if United are already reluctant to pay 120 million or whatever the upfront fee is for Sancho, then it is very debatable whether they would even do the same for Havertz when the fee difference is not that big.

While I would be happy if we do get Havertz, it wouldn’t be the worst thing either if we don’t get him, because that would allow us to spend the money on more pressing areas!

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

Havertz has more growth in him. It might be scary what he becomes.

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

6 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Assuming this is true this is exactly why the deal is not official yet.

From 100m now they want 95m. Very soon it will be 90m...

Well done Marina.

[Steagles 70]

Marina is working her magic. I read somewhere that there's a potential domino chain that starts with us signing Kai and ends with Roma signing Jorginho, so that would be nice if she could pull that off.

 

Obviously you don't want to haggle too much where 10m breaks the deal but there is certainly a middle ground to be found. I suspect we will have an agreement by the end of the work week. 

[Vesper 30,219]

6 hours ago, killer1257 said:

If we do not sign Havertz, just sign Aouar. Cheaper and slower version of Havertz, but more consistent

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2 entirely different kinds of players and they play mostly different positions and different spatial areas

not slating Aouar, I have been a big fan for ages

 

[blu35_army 551]

4 hours ago, Steagles said:

Marina is working her magic. I read somewhere that there's a potential domino chain that starts with us signing Kai and ends with Roma signing Jorginho, so that would be nice if she could pull that off.

 

Obviously you don't want to haggle too much where 10m breaks the deal but there is certainly a middle ground to be found. I suspect we will have an agreement by the end of the work week. 

we buy havertz €85m, leverkusen want use the money to replace with patrick schkik €30m from roma, and after that roma use the money to buy jorginho for €35m. so,,it's up to us now if we want jorgi sold this summer...lol

[kellzfresh 7,229]

15 hours ago, Jason said:

I do agree the fee is rather high and that money could spent elsewhere. But as Jype alluded to above, who are we to tell Leverkusen how much they should sell Havertz? We are just the buyer, they own Havertz and he still has a few years left on the contract. If the situation was the other way round, we would be aiming at getting the most out of the deal rather than selling the club's main star player at a discount, regardless of the pandemic.

As for the pressure from the big price tag, well, that is another discussion altogether. 3 of those names you mentioned above are all at Barcelona and they were just dumb in spending that money for them without having any idea how to use them. Don't think the same can be said about us. Joao Felix, I think, has had some decent performances but he joined the wrong club.

Leverkusen are well within their rights to ask for whatever, but if they don't sell now, he'll have only one year left on his contract next summer  and risk going to Bayern for free. And Leverkusen didn't make Champs league so thats another 40-50 million they could have had in their books lost. They're the ones at a disadvantage and I really don't want us to just pay 100mil for him like that. There's also a level of pressure that comes with that price tag that I don't want him to have to face. The English media will eat up any mental weakness and harp about the price tag forever.

But if we are off an agreement by 5 million and the total price comes to 85mil we should just get it done, as it is worth it to make sure players like Barkley don't have a chance to start a game for Chelsea.

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12 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Leverkusen are well within their rights to ask for whatever, but if they don't sell now, he'll have only one year left on his contract next summer  and risk going to Bayern for free. And Leverkusen didn't make Champs league so thats another 40-50 million they could have had in their books lost. They're the ones at a disadvantage and I really don't want us to just pay 100mil for him like that.

That is debatable. They are at different stages of the career but we managed to get like 100 million for Hazard last summer when he had only 1 year left on his contract and that is with only 1 club interested. Who is to say Leverkusen won't get a similar fee next summer if multiple clubs - e.g. Real Madrid and Bayern - are interested? Leverkusen could easily start a bidding war that would drive up the price. Had it not been for the pandemic, the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern would have gone for Havertz and potentially driven the price up even more. 

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38 minutes ago, Jason said:

That is debatable. They are at different stages of the career but we managed to get like 100 million for Hazard last summer when he had only 1 year left on his contract and that is with only 1 club interested. Who is to say Leverkusen won't get a similar fee next summer if multiple clubs - e.g. Real Madrid and Bayern - are interested? Leverkusen could easily start a bidding war that would drive up the price. Had it not been for the pandemic, the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern would have gone for Havertz and potentially driven the price up even more. 

Havertz is no where near Hazard's level when he was with us, both in footballing ability or marketability. We too are a much wealthier club that didn't need to sell to buy players. So I expect people to bleed when they come to buy Chelsea's best player while Ajax, Liepzeg and Leverkusen best players should go for less. 

And currently we are fortunate that the pandemic has prevented a bidding war, which has given us an advantage. Wouldn't it be smart to press our advantage (because of the pandemic) rather than act like all is back to normal. 

I don't know, maybe I'm just thinking too business like but saving 10-15 mil could be the difference between keeping Kepa for another season and buying a fresh goalkeeper.

[Jase 43,479]

34 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Havertz is no where near Hazard's level when he was with us, both in footballing ability or marketability. We too are a much wealthier club that didn't need to sell to buy players. So I expect people to bleed when they come to buy Chelsea's best player while Ajax, Liepzeg and Leverkusen best players should go for less. 

And currently we are fortunate that the pandemic has prevented a bidding war, which has given us an advantage. Wouldn't it be smart to press our advantage (because of the pandemic) rather than act like all is back to normal. 

The point is Hazard was our star player, just like Havertz is for Leverkusen. Hazard was bought as a finished article while Havertz is being bought for his talent and potential. Different point of their career but it's similar in some sense. And again, it doesn't matter if it is a big club or a lesser club, you can't expect the selling club not to maximize the deal and get as much money as possible for themselves. It's arrogant to think that just because Leverkusen aren't a big club, they should sell their best player only for XX amount. Also while Leverkusen won't be getting the Champions League money, I don't think their financial situation is terrible enough that they desperately need money and will sell players on the cheap. If they had it their way, they would have preferred to keep Havertz for another season. He could lead them back to the Champions League next season, Leverkusen get the money as well as a big fee for Havertz. 

50 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

I don't know, maybe I'm just thinking too business like but saving 10-15 mil could be the difference between keeping Kepa for another season and buying a fresh goalkeeper.

This could be offset by selling some of the other deadwoods. Plus, we still need to get rid of Kepa first. There seems to be no takers at the moment.

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[Dimitr 488]

Very reliable , we are in the final stages of negotiations 

[Liuxas 125]

Where is "Here we go"

[Pizy 18,946]

Tweets from dudes I've literally never seen before 😑😑😑

[Special Juan 28,141]

I cannot believe how buzzing I am with what is happening right now.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

5 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

I cannot believe how buzzing I am with what is happening right now.

Same mate am praying this actually happens 

[Special Juan 28,141]

Just now, BluesMadLad said:

Same mate am praying this actually happens 

It will, too many good sources saying so now and especially Havertz who is actually pushing it to happen.

[Alabama 1,992]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8646903/Chelsea-hold-productive-new-talks-Kai-Havertz-closer-Leverksens-90m-price.html

[Jype 6,398]

1 hour ago, kiwi1691 said:

 

 

The guy has 77 followers. Enough said.