Declan Rice

[NikkiCFC 7,946]

 

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I think folk could of noticed he’s not progressive enough with the ball months ago, never mind after the Euros game v us.

Has good defensive attributes but too safe with the ball and for England or for Chelsea where your going to have the ball most games, its not exactly helpful.

Lampard’s hard on for him was incredible though, I mean there are defensively minded players who are better on the ball out there, there has got to be because if there isn’t European football is in a bad way then. Obviously Kante is one of them that we already have but he needs a backup.

I think Kalvin Phillips is probably better actually for a more progressive team but whilst a good player, is he going to be top level? Maybe not - more based off his season for Leeds than those two EURO games, I think he’s good but he probably wont surpass this level. 

Kante rotation option/potential successor is a big concern for us, I mean these profile of players are hard to find at the very highest level. 

Edited June 20, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Jase 43,479]

12 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I think folk could of noticed he’s not progressive enough with the ball months ago, never mind after the Euros game v us.

Has good defensive attributes but too safe with the ball and for England or for Chelsea where your going to have the ball most games, its not exactly helpful.

Lampard’s hard on for him was incredible though, I mean there are defensively minded players who are better on the ball out there, there has got to be because if there isn’t European football is in a bad way then. Obviously Kante is one of them that we already have but he needs a backup.

I think Kalvin Phillips is probably better actually for a more progressive team but whilst a good player, is he going to be top level? Maybe not - more based off his season for Leeds than those two EURO games, I think he’s good but he probably wont surpass this level. 

Kante rotation option/potential successor is a big concern for us, I mean these profile of players are hard to find at the very highest level. 

Well, there are also stories that Tuchel is a fan of Rice. So...

[Styl1994 188]

I like Rice but we need Haaland and 80m is way too much Tchouameni for 30m is a great option comes Fabregas approved as well. 

[Vesper 28,796]

11 hours ago, Styl1994 said:

I like Rice but we need Haaland and 80m is way too much Tchouameni for 30m is a great option comes Fabregas approved as well. 

I think West Ham will likely demand £100m for Rice, £90m for sure, which is madness.

I agree on Aurélien Tchouaméni, especially if £30m pulls him.

Locatelli is another option, but I fear his price is skyrocketing due to superb Euros so far.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

19 hours ago, Jas said:

Well, there are also stories that Tuchel is a fan of Rice. So...

If so, I can’t help but admit I would be disappointed if he was our midfield signing this summer. Well, if he was to play as a number 6 in a 3 man MF, maybe I could see why we would go for him but in a 2 man MF in (I think we will remain with 343 more often than not), you need to be more capable on the ball and he simply isn’t going to break team down. If he was a 6 in a 3 man MF and say his job was protecting that central area in front of the defenders, winning it back and giving it to the other guys in midfield or attack, it wouldn’t be so bad. 

Not because of the Euros but I think Locatelli would be a good alternative but watch him go to Juventus. Has been good for Sassuolo the past couple of seasons, Milan made a huge mistake letting him.

Don’t know the French guy at all who’s been linked also but not trusting anyone who plays for Monaco because Bakayoko is the prime example. People thought he was the next Yaya Toure almost and he turned out to be a championship footballer by the looks of it in terms of technical ability. 

Edited June 21, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Tomo 21,733]

On 08/04/2021 at 22:29, R2D2 said:

No we don't average, give me Camavinga all day long even if he is still raw and needs some time to settle.

Is he actually better than Rice or is this another "Regullion/Telles > Chilwell" lite thing?

[Superblue 6,370]

10 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Is he actually better than Rice or is this another "Regullion/Telles > Chilwell" lite thing?

Granted I don't watch the levels of football (outside of Chelsea) that others do, but the few times I have watched Camavinga play I haven't yet seen what the big deal is. 

[King Kante 1,476]

Personally, I was anti-Rice for most of last season, got caught up in the hype last Summer and have progressively gone off him again the more I watch him. For me, if he was an academy player that was kept you'll be delighted and if you could get him for £30m-£35m you would say, fair enough, he brings attributes that we lack and would be a handy squad player. £50m+, I am out. Being a Chelsea CM requires you to be able to break the lines with your running and passing and he just doesn't do it enough.

I do actually feel a bit bad about saying this as he is clearly a massive Chelsea fan (to the extent that it feels like he is one of us who can actually play pro-level football), however I just don't think the figures add up. Best thing now would be for him to run his contract down and we either get him with a year left and/or when he is out of contract. He is young enough to do this so that isn't a issue. The problem may be if we actually still need a CM by that point. 

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

7 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Is he actually better than Rice or is this another "Regullion/Telles > Chilwell" lite thing?

I think he’s a slightly different profile which is maybe more beneficial for our team as he is a more rounded player maybe, particularly on the ball but his actual level is hard to judge. He is talented for sure but he will still have inconsistencies and is better suited to another 2 seasons playing every week in Ligue 1 I think. Really wasn’t that impressed with him when we played Rennes in the CL in November either. Talk he wants to go to PSG anyway so wont be coming here in all likelihood. 

People will say he’s good enough to be going to Real Madrid or Barca or Bayern, which maybe 2/3 years down the line he could be, all were linked but he’s not at that level yet. He was left out of the France Euros squad by Deschamps so I think that says a lot considering he took Sissoko, Lemar and Rabiot, who granted aren’t bad players in their own right but hardly special (although Rabiot on his day is pretty good just not often enough). 

This is what Deschamps had to say about not including him:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.beinsports.com/us/uefa-european-championship/video/deschamps-details-decision-to-drop-camavinga/1696943/amp

[Tomo 21,733]

3 hours ago, King Kante said:

Personally, I was anti-Rice for most of last season, got caught up in the hype last Summer and have progressively gone off him again the more I watch him. For me, if he was an academy player that was kept you'll be delighted and if you could get him for £30m-£35m you would say, fair enough, he brings attributes that we lack and would be a handy squad player. £50m+, I am out. Being a Chelsea CM requires you to be able to break the lines with your running and passing and he just doesn't do it enough.

I do actually feel a bit bad about saying this as he is clearly a massive Chelsea fan (to the extent that it feels like he is one of us who can actually play pro-level football), however I just don't think the figures add up. Best thing now would be for him to run his contract down and we either get him with a year left and/or when he is out of contract. He is young enough to do this so that isn't a issue. The problem may be if we actually still need a CM by that point. 

I'm actually against signing Rice as I don't think he's the profile of player we need (certainly not under Tuchel's system) but all these posts claiming every Tom, Dick and Harry are better just screams picking the fancy name just because.

Edited June 21, 2021 by Tomo

[King Kante 1,476]

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

I'm actually against signing Rice as I don't think he's the profile of player we need (certainly not under Tuchel's system) but but all these posts claiming every Tom, Dick and Harry are better just screams picking the fancy name just because.

Oh, for sure. My CM pick is SMS who isn't really mentioned on here apart from me. Maybe Gravenbach (or however you spell his name.) I have those down as I have actually seen them play enough (i.e. more than 10 full 90 mins) although I still have concerns about both in the PL. 

Personally, the real long term target should be Bellingham but that is at least two years away imo and if he keeps going at the same rate he will have the same sort of options as Håland (i.e. he can pick from all the best clubs in Europe.) 

[Vesper 28,796]

31 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Oh, for sure. My CM pick is SMS who isn't really mentioned on here apart from me. Maybe Gravenbach (or however you spell his name.) I have those down as I have actually seen them play enough (i.e. more than 10 full 90 mins) although I still have concerns about both in the PL. 

Personally, the real long term target should be Bellingham but that is at least two years away imo and if he keeps going at the same rate he will have the same sort of options as Håland (i.e. he can pick from all the best clubs in Europe.) 

[King Kante 1,476]

17 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Of course Vesper, I wasn't including you, you've always got all bases covered when it comes it transfers 😉😘

[Vesper 28,796]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

Of course Vesper, I wasn't including you, you've always got all bases covered when it comes it transfers 😉😘

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[NikkiCFC 7,946]

Finally someone realistic. And it is the man himself! Rice should pay to play for Chelsea, not otherwise!

[Vesper 28,796]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Finally someone realistic. And it is the man himself! Rice should pay to play for Chelsea, not otherwise!

 

[Fernando 6,456]

All Lampard target have turn out great. 

Another Lampard target so club must be like, it will work. 

I said it before Lampard should come back and deal with the transfer because he was good.