Mikel John Obi

[JDY 1,290]

Ander Herrera is slightly overrated but I wouldn't be against going for him.

I don't know why some have come to the conclusion that Ramires is poor technically. He is infact very good technically but his problem is that he can't see the killer pass, and his decision making in the final third let's him down. You shouldn't need him to be able to split defences when we have Oscar, Mata and Hazard infront of him. He adds a good balance to the team alongside Mikel, and doesn't leave him exposed like Lampard did often. There's no written rule of the type of players you must have in the double pivot, but the more creative player who is tactically excellent and solid defensively are very hard to come by in today's market.

[Kojo 4,676]

  On 12/11/2012 at 01:17, JDY said:

Ander Herrera is slightly overrated but I wouldn't be against going for him.

I don't know why some have come to the conclusion that Ramires is poor technically. He is infact very good technically but his problem is that he can't see the killer pass, and his decision making in the final third let's him down. You shouldn't need him to be able to split defences when we have Oscar, Mata and Hazard infront of him. He adds a good balance to the team alongside Mikel, and doesn't leave him exposed like Lampard did often. There's no written rule of the type of players you must have in the double pivot, but the more creative player who is tactically excellent and solid defensively are very hard to come by in today's market.

Sorry but no matter how hard you try, you will not convince me that Ramires has a good technical abillity, it's not his vision what is a problem, he struggles making a decent pass, he will overhit it or just simply misdirect it. He did that a lot last season, which was very annoying. And don't even get me started on his dreadful crosses.

However as you said, the player we are asking for here, is extremely hard to come by, indeed it is, there's not many out there what can do the job. Joao Moutinho is often brought up, but come on, he's at Porto, unless you want to risk 600 billion, don't even fucking bother. But to be fair I've never seen the big hype with Moutinho, yeah fair play portugese league he can rip it up. However I've never seen him perform against good sides and in a different team, but to be honest I'll admit the only other time I've seen him play against those teams is international, and he's quite average to be honest. He looks nothing superior off the ball or on it, so i think he's a gamble anyway, but that's because i haven't really seen enough of him besides a few porto games in the porto league and international games.

Though honeslty besides him, i don't think there's anyone, who can be considered as realistic target that is.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

  On 12/11/2012 at 00:12, Kojo said:

Well i suppose we should go get him then, no one can have a great performance against united of course.

Im just telling that he could be very good here in PL. Sooner or later, City or United will pick him and then here will be crying why we didnt bought him...

But sure you would prefer who?

[OneMoSalah 8,833]

  On 12/11/2012 at 02:22, BlueLyon said:

Im just telling that he could be very good here in PL. Sooner or later, City or United will pick him and then here will be crying why we didnt bought him...

But sure you would prefer who?

Right now I'd prefer we keep Mikel - Ramires in the double pivot! Its working so far so if it isn't broke don't fix it.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Couldnt agree more, but maybe we will need some backup eventualy and this guy wouldnt be bad to have.

The problem with Rambo is that he cant dictate the midfield. And as we now have two very 'strong' defensive midfielders, we still concede lot of goals. That means, they dont realy do the job. Right now Im happy and have no problems with this pair, but eventualy I want more technicaly gifted midfield. Either Herrera, Bender, Benat, Banega, Strootman, Clasie, Fernandinho,...or even KDB if he can play there.

I hope you understand my point.

[OneMoSalah 8,833]

  On 12/11/2012 at 02:32, BlueLyon said:

Couldnt agree more, but maybe we will need some backup eventualy and this guy wouldnt be bad to have.

The problem with Rambo is that he cant dictate the midfield. And as we now have two very 'strong' defensive midfielders, we still concede lot of goals. That means, they dont realy do the job. Right now Im happy and have no problems with this pair, but eventualy I want more technicaly gifted midfield. Either Herrera, Bender, Benat, Banega, Strootman, Clasie, Fernandinho,...or even KDB if he can play there.

I hope you understand my point.

Yeah I understand your point its just you said we concede a lot of goals despite having 2 defensive midfielders. If we get rid of one we will have less defensive cover then and could concede more. Its going to be interesting though when we go in to the market.

[OneMoSalah 8,833]

  On 12/11/2012 at 02:21, Kojo said:

Sorry but no matter how hard you try, you will not convince me that Ramires has a good technical abillity, it's not his vision what is a problem, he struggles making a decent pass, he will overhit it or just simply misdirect it. He did that a lot last season, which was very annoying. And don't even get me started on his dreadful crosses.

However as you said, the player we are asking for here, is extremely hard to come by, indeed it is, there's not many out there what can do the job. Joao Moutinho is often brought up, but come on, he's at Porto, unless you want to risk 600 billion, don't even fucking bother. But to be fair I've never seen the big hype with Moutinho, yeah fair play portugese league he can rip it up. However I've never seen him perform against good sides and in a different team, but to be honest I'll admit the only other time I've seen him play against those teams is international, and he's quite average to be honest. He looks nothing superior off the ball or on it, so i think he's a gamble anyway, but that's because i haven't really seen enough of him besides a few porto games in the porto league and international games.

Though honeslty besides him, i don't think there's anyone, who can be considered as realistic target that is.

During Euro 2012, he was one of the best midfielders. Was Portugals third best player besides Ronaldo and Coentrao.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

  On 12/11/2012 at 02:34, RyanDavidson said:

Yeah I understand your point its just you said we concede a lot of goals despite having 2 defensive midfielders. If we get rid of one we will have less defensive cover then and could concede more. Its going to be interesting though when we go in to the market.

Sometimes we concede goals because either Rambo or Mikel loses the ball. With more technicaly gifted player, this would happen less times and we would concede less. Something like attack is best defence.

But I think the main reason that we concede so many goals is because team is not yet organised and players dont realy understand each other. In one season or two, that will be fixed.

[OneMoSalah 8,833]

  On 12/11/2012 at 02:40, BlueLyon said:

Sometimes we concede goals because either Rambo or Mikel loses the ball. With more technicaly gifted player, this would happen less times and we would concede less. Something like attack is best defence.

But I think the main reason that we concede so many goals is because team is not yet organised and players dont realy understand each other. In one season or two, that will be fixed.

I think SeB has said this a few times about the team lose the ball because they don't know how to defend with the ball. Maybe a player who is technically an upgrade on Ramires beside Mikel would help with that but the whole team has got to help. Football is a team game and if we are to defend with the ball the whole team has to improve together.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

  On 12/11/2012 at 02:43, RyanDavidson said:

I think SeB has said this a few times about the team lose the ball because they don't know how to defend with the ball. Maybe a player who is technically an upgrade on Ramires beside Mikel would help with that but the whole team has got to help. Football is a team game and if we are to defend with the ball the whole team has to improve together.

I think players like Mata would be too tired to work in defense also...but sure this is team work and we need to gel first, then we will defend and attack much better.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 11/11/2012 at 23:18, zolayes said:

I am worried that when he leaves we will find out just how important he is to us.

fixed

[Clevemayer 764]

  On 11/11/2012 at 21:54, Kojo said:

It's actually shocking how bad this forum has gotten, you can't even post a point without getting told to grow up.

Grow up for what exactly you mindless prick?, fact of the matter is i never said anything abusive in my previous post, nothing at all, and I'm getting told to grow up because i'm describing a player and his performances 'appropriately'. That makes no sense what so ever, forum has gone downhill, never used to be like this.

yeah you're right, thats it, because ppl like just have no base on they're opinion and just go on with it, with no evidence what so ever, at most of the points you where criticising Mikel, Tiote is much worse then him, statistically and in reallity, so just give it up the henk.

You criticise him for not being offensive and aggressive enough, he has added both to it, and is still not as headless as you're tiote, I even rate Mulumbu higher than Tiote so waht? You will keep on going with it and you're only showing the world how you're losing slowly you're last bit of credibility... Hes play'n more offensive and play'n more forwardpasses and out of noth'n you're praising for his outings under AVB while you where slating him before? come on we're no politics, you just can't forget about what you've said a couple of days before.... really boy, I repeat just grow up...

[Aussiedan 154]

Mikel will score this season...

P.s Mikel is becoming one of my favourite players at the club. I think his captain material in a few years.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Forget Mata, Mikel has been the most consistent player for Chelsea this season. Actually, in the whole of 2012. He has a bad game once in twenty matches. Can't believe the progress he's made.

[Kojo 4,676]

  On 12/11/2012 at 07:05, Clevemayer said:

yeah you're right, thats it, because ppl like just have no base on they're opinion and just go on with it, with no evidence what so ever, at most of the points you where criticising Mikel, Tiote is much worse then him, statistically and in reallity, so just give it up the henk.

You criticise him for not being offensive and aggressive enough, he has added both to it, and is still not as headless as you're tiote, I even rate Mulumbu higher than Tiote so waht? You will keep on going with it and you're only showing the world how you're losing slowly you're last bit of credibility... Hes play'n more offensive and play'n more forwardpasses and out of noth'n you're praising for his outings under AVB while you where slating him before? come on we're no politics, you just can't forget about what you've said a couple of days before.... really boy, I repeat just grow up...

Go cry about it then, you people are all twats anyway, so it's pointless me even posting an arguement. Time and time again i have posted so many examples in matches and how bad Mikel is, but no you're just ignorant, typical of you really as you lot are the same.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

This is guy has been one of our most consistent performance this year, doing all the unspectacular work so the attacking three can flourish, what more do you want?

[Clevemayer 764]

  On 12/11/2012 at 14:45, Kojo said:

Go cry about it then, you people are all twats anyway, so it's pointless me even posting an arguement. Time and time again i have posted so many examples in matches and how bad Mikel is, but no you're just ignorant, typical of you really as you lot are the same.

why should I be crying about you being hypocrite? this don't makes sense anyway, but then, it don't makes any sense what you say most of the time... meh

[Kojo 4,676]

  On 12/11/2012 at 15:23, sam81292 said:

This is guy has been one of our most consistent performance this year, doing all the unspectacular work so the attacking three can flourish, what more do you want?

Someone consistently good.