Mikel John Obi

[LDN Blue 7,903]

There's really no point in arguing, you spend an hour on a 1000 word post to try to explain Mikel's role and what a DM should be like by giving examples and stats and all you get back is the usual "Mikel is shit" or personal insults aimed at you..

Indeed, I took the bait

Hopeless.

[Joe Cool 388]

There's really no point in arguing, you spend an hour on a 1000 word post to try to explain Mikel's role and what a DM should be like by giving examples and stats and all you get back is the usual "Mikel is shit" or personal insults aimed at you..

Great job acting like everyone who criticises Mikel just responds in this manner. Obviously there are the idiot trolls who just come in here and say "Mikel is shit", but I've also seen plenty of reasonable arguments criticising his dire commitment and catastrophic defending (the one with all the gifs from Man City, for example), so to tar all of his critics under the same brush just because they don't agree with you is just plain wrong.

[bleed_blue 136]

No.

What Luiz does is create a massive gap with his ventures running into midfield. Why do you think he was put in that role in the first place? When he did at CB, the repercussions were disastrous. Now it's less noticeable because against weaker teams, our defense can cope.

Lampard's only in that position because we've had to accommodate for him. He shouldn't be sitting in front of our defensive line because he doesn't offer them the same amount of protection as an actual defensive midfield payer, like Mikel. The role of the central midfield is supposed to be one you don't notice, he's not the one that's going to grab the assists or goals. He'll go about his role unnoticeable. This is the mistake people make with that role.

This whole "role of CM is supposed to be one you don't notice", "He'll go about his role unnoticeable" is a hogwash.

Busquets plays as CM/CDM in Barcelona's 4231. Do you hear people saying that he goes unnoticed?

Xabi Alonso played that role for Liverpool and now does the same for Real Madrid. I don't see people saying he goes unnoticed.

Same holds for Schweinsteiger and Martinez at Bayern, Michael Carrick at Manchester United.

You say Luiz creates massive gaps in our midfield, Lampard does not offer enough protection. How does that explain our goals conceded per game jumping from 0.89 to 1.53 when Mikel starts.

Somehow the CM job that Luiz/Lampard/Ramires end up messing up ensures that we concede lesser goals than with Mikel who does that CM job 'effectively and remains unnoticeable'.

There's really no point in arguing, you spend an hour on a 1000 word post to try to explain Mikel's role and what a DM should be like by giving examples and stats and all you get back is the usual "Mikel is shit" or personal insults aimed at you..

While when people point out Mikel's shortcomings, apologists revert back with the usual comment "You don't understand football if you can't appreciate what Mikel does for the team".

When I see stats like

Our win ratio jumps from 44% to 67% when Mikel is not in the playing XI

Our loss ratio falls to 14% from 34% when Mikel is not in the playing XI

Our goals conceded per game decrease to 0.89 from 1.53 when Mikel is not in the playing XI

Our goals scored per game increase to 2.53 from 1.69 when Mikel is not in the playing XI

I ask myself once again

What is this defensive protection and solidity that Mikel provides which actually ends up hurting our results?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Great job acting like everyone who criticises Mikel just responds in this manner. Obviously there are the idiot trolls who just come in here and say "Mikel is shit", but I've also seen plenty of reasonable arguments criticising his dire commitment and catastrophic defending (the one with all the gifs from Man City, for example), so to tar all of his critics under the same brush just because they don't agree with you is just plain wrong.

I'm sorry, but the reasonable arguments are buried underneath mountains of BS and insults.

While when people point out Mikel's shortcomings, apologists revert back with the usual comment "You don't understand football if you can't appreciate what Mikel does for the team".

When I see stats like

Our win ratio jumps from 44% to 67% when Mikel is not in the playing XI

Our loss ratio falls to 14% from 34% when Mikel is not in the playing XI

Our goals conceded per game decrease to 0.89 from 1.53 when Mikel is not in the playing XI

Our goals scored per game increase to 2.53 from 1.69 when Mikel is not in the playing XI

I ask myself once again

What is this defensive protection and solidity that Mikel provides which actually ends up hurting our results?

Nope, I won't bite, I have studying to do and I won't get into a pointless argument now. You want to know my opinion on Mikel is? I've stated it here countless times and explained it in great detail. You want to know what Mikel provides to the team? Here, read this: http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/13977-john-mikel-obi-the-keystone/

[Leif 6,006]

Seb isn't God. He's not the next Mourinho combined with SaF, with all respect to him. His view on Mikel is his opinion and shouldn't be passed around like it's fact.

I remember him saying Torres was a key player, Ramires was one of our best passers and that Cahill would be a disastrous signing.

[Amblève. 4,995]

This is beautiful.

[robsblubot 3,595]

I'm sorry, but the reasonable arguments are buried underneath mountains of BS and insults.

Nope, I won't bite, I have studying to do and I won't get into a pointless argument now. You want to know my opinion on Mikel is? I've stated it here countless times and explained it in great detail. You want to know what Mikel provides to the team? Here, read this: http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/13977-john-mikel-obi-the-keystone/

I've read that useless post where all the wrong stats are handpicked to prove the point that Mikel is a fantastic player.

Yet, he rarely plays... So, I guess the stats that the Chelsea staff keep show otherwise, or at least they seem to look at them in a very different way.

Lets just agree to completely disagree on this one as well.

[bleed_blue 136]

I'm sorry, but the reasonable arguments are buried underneath mountains of BS and insults.

Nope, I won't bite, I have studying to do and I won't get into a pointless argument now. You want to know my opinion on Mikel is? I've stated it here countless times and explained it in great detail. You want to know what Mikel provides to the team? Here, read this: http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/13977-john-mikel-obi-the-keystone/

That is a very poor article. Full of flaws and misunderstandings of stats.

But even if one were to take that at face value and assume that Mikel is suited to the CM/CDM role, I will ask the same question again

"WHAT IS THIS DEFENSIVE PROTECTION AND SOLIDITY THAT MIKEL PROVIDES WHICH ACTUALLY ENDS UP HURTING OUR RESULTS?

[Kojo 4,676]

No.

What Luiz does is create a massive gap with his ventures running into midfield. Why do you think he was put in that role in the first place? When he did at CB, the repercussions were disastrous. Now it's less noticeable because against weaker teams, our defense can cope.

Lampard's only in that position because we've had to accommodate for him. He shouldn't be sitting in front of our defensive line because he doesn't offer them the same amount of protection as an actual defensive midfield payer, like Mikel. The role of the central midfield is supposed to be one you don't notice, he's not the one that's going to grab the assists or goals. He'll go about his role unnoticeable. This is the mistake people make with that role.

You're just making stuff up as you go along, Mikel does this, Mikel does that, when realistically he does nothing. Luiz and Ramires are much better defensive midfielders, Mikel is just crap.

Look at Michael Carrick, picks out passes from anywhere, runs about all over and covers, Xavi Alonso the same, and yet we get this John Obi Mikel who doesn't run, can't pass the ball forward, can't tackle, yet he has this job which is so apparently vital of sitting infront of the back 4.

[Kojo 4,676]

Great job acting like everyone who criticises Mikel just responds in this manner. Obviously there are the idiot trolls who just come in here and say "Mikel is shit", but I've also seen plenty of reasonable arguments criticising his dire commitment and catastrophic defending (the one with all the gifs from Man City, for example), so to tar all of his critics under the same brush just because they don't agree with you is just plain wrong.

Choulo is just playin the victim because he lost the arguement months ago.

Let me tell you something, when he's saying things like trolls it's obviously aimed at me, as I have been arguing with him all season. However I have never onced thrown a personal insult in there, so he can say whatever he wants. He has hardly given anything back to the arguement, he has said things before matches and Mikel has done his arguements no favours with his horrible performances.

[DDA 9,929]

Seb isn't God. He's not the next Mourinho combined with SaF, with all respect to him. His view on Mikel is his opinion and shouldn't be passed around like it's fact.

I remember him saying Torres was a key player, Ramires was one of our best passers and that Cahill would be a disastrous signing.

Haha spot on Leif. I'm sure if this forum had it's way SeB would be odd's on favourite to become next Chelsea manager at Ladbrookes.

[Kojo 4,676]

Seb isn't God. He's not the next Mourinho combined with SaF, with all respect to him. His view on Mikel is his opinion and shouldn't be passed around like it's fact.

I remember him saying Torres was a key player, Ramires was one of our best passers and that Cahill would be a disastrous signing.

Seb has gotten a shit load wrong in the past, most people only like his posts because they think he's some top scout.

He also tried to convince everyone that Edin Dzeko was better than Falcao.

[bleed_blue 136]

Seb has gotten a shit load wrong in the past, most people only like his posts because they think he's some top scout.

He also tried to convince everyone that Edin Dzeko was better than Falcao.

He said Dzeko is better than Falcao?

I read that article about Mikel which Choulo posted and thought to myself that someone has really written a deluded piece, but sweet lord this Dzeko better than Falcao takes the cake.

[Mr. Ziggles 110]

This is beautiful.

Champions of Europe II: The Return of Bosingwa

In this epic sequel to Champions of Europe I: The Top Drog, Bosingwa attempts to make amends with Chelsea fans for signing with QPR. How? By relegating them. However, the fans see through his ruse... He was actually trying to get enough money for a monobrow shave. And alas, Agent Monobrow takes over the body of Mikel for one last quest. To hog another European trophy and make sure he's remembered forever.

[Joe Cool 388]

This is beautiful.

You gotta love the fact that he put everything on the line for this trophy, including his blood and guts.

"And we have to then play on Thursday night. What do they say? 'Thursday nights, Channel 5?' Hopefully next season we are not going to be in it. We are going to be prime time."