Timo Werner

[King Kante 1,499]

6 minutes ago, Dan Lee said:

I am a well-known friction writer. People appreciated my skills. A company hires me and pays me a big buck. They told me to write non-friction stories. Nobody likes my new stories. Is it on me?

We have to ask ourselves about Tammy, Giroud, and many more,  etc. Why in different systems, they can be successful but not in Blue? If only Lukaku, we may blame him. We can see that it is not only Lukaku. Strikers are struggling here and if they go somewhere else, they can do better.   

What I mean is that when we buy a player, we should consider whether he can perform in the current system or will we change our system for him. Managers get paid a big buck to make decisions. They should share the same responsibilities.  

You just need to look at common demoniators. Here it is that Serie A is a good league for strikers. 

There is a argument about our recruitment of attacking players but this isn't one. Lukaku was clearly a poor/limited player who would never work here. I and a number of people predicted this before he came. I also said I'd rather Giroud/Tammy to him. All fell on deaf ears. 

As for Tammy/Giroud. I wouldn't say they were failure's here. What we needed was an upgrade but instead we downgraded because someone/people at the club don't know how to evaluate players properly. 

[Dan Lee 47]

4 hours ago, King Kante said:

.... because someone/people at the club don't know how to evaluate players properly. 

That's my main point. I hate to see people blame only players. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,314]

Final straw for me. Needs to leave this summer. 

There was a moment during the game where Kante was running with the ball and missed an opportunity to play Werner through. Graeme Le Saux then said, "Why didn't Kante play Werner earlier, he was clean through?"

5 minutes later, Kante played a ball over the top to Werner who was clean at goal and onside, miss controlled it with no one around him, and went out for a goal kick. I genuinely, genuinely wished Arlo White replied to Graeme by saying, "Perhaps that's why."

Offers nothing now. 

[Vesper 28,934]

Tuchel handed brutal Romelu Lukaku Chelsea repeat as £33m call made easy for next owner

Thomas Tuchel suffered an unfortunate repeat of Romelu Lukaku's historically poor Crystal Palace display in Chelsea's disastrous defeat to Brentford

https://www.football.london/Chelsea-fc/transfer-news/romelu-lukaku-tuchel-Chelsea-owner-23583137

The writing has been on the wall for Timo Werner at Stamford Bridge for some time now.

With only one Premier League goal to his name this season and a flurry of sub-par displays, the forward seems destined for a summer exit. On Saturday in the dismal defeat to Brentford, Werner hit a new low.

 

For the majority of his Chelsea career so far Werner has been widely supported by the Stamford Bridge crowd even if things have not been going well for him. But on Saturday any patience left for the nearly £50m man signed from RB Leipzig in 2020 firmly ran out.

Statistically, it could not have been more damning for Werner. Given only his third Premier League start since December 11th, the striker completed zero successful dribbles, created no chances, had no shots on target, no accurate crosses, zero ground duels won and lost possession 11 times.

This ranked similar to Romelu Lukaku's historically unimpactful display at Selhurst Park back in February, where the Belgian only touched the ball seven times, the first time that has happened in the Premier League for an outfield player since Opta began recording data.

This however felt reflective of Werner's deteriorating displays in a Chelsea shirt. With technical limitations and a lack of space to make the runs he did in the Bundesliga, defences have been able to nullify Werner pretty easily since he arrived in England.

Reports emerged during the international break from the German outlet Sport1 that Werner wants to leave Chelsea and if the club were to receive an offer of around £33m, a deal could be done to give the struggling striker his wish.

The decision for whoever takes over Chelsea should be simple when it comes to Werner's future. He has failed to deliver what was expected of him and his lack of consistent game time when others are fit indicates that he has greatly fallen down the pecking order.

Werner was replaced with the maligned Lukaku in Saturday's second half, neither has scored a league goal in 2022 so far, Lukaku's last coming against Brighton on December 29, Werner's against Southampton back in October.

[blues.bridge 343]

5 hours ago, Hermione said:

I'd keep Werner another season and get rid of Lukaku and Ziyech, I still believe in him.

Me too. He shows commitment and determination, have great movement w/o ball  and press a lot. I'd not keep lukaku,ziyech and pulisic. And take 2 new players. 

[Superblue 6,370]

It's not a coincidence that Tuchel reverting back to the Mount, Werner, Havertz trio these last 2 games has made us in general look a more fluid unit both in attack and with our pressing.

We'll have to see where we're at in the summer but at least for now this should be our first choice attack through to the end of the season. Werner I think deserves the chances to resurrect his Chelsea career and make sure we're not giving up on him too early because that ability and willingness to make those runs in behind a defence is something the rest of our squad doesn't really offer enough of.

We have to find a way to move Lukaku on in the summer, I think that's a given as he's a square peg in a round hole for Tuchel. Then anyone else in attack really depends on what we're looking to do in the summer and how big a priority a new attacker is. I wouldn't mind us taking a punt on Dembele if we can still get him on a free transfer, but someone needs to make way as a result. It's probably going to end up a toss up between Ziyech, Pulisic and Werner - all offer very different things but are all very inconsistent at times too.

[Fernando 6,471]

If Gallagher comes back then

4 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

It's not a coincidence that Tuchel reverting back to the Mount, Werner, Havertz trio these last 2 games has made us in general look a more fluid unit both in attack and with our pressing.

We'll have to see where we're at in the summer but at least for now this should be our first choice attack through to the end of the season. Werner I think deserves the chances to resurrect his Chelsea career and make sure we're not giving up on him too early because that ability and willingness to make those runs in behind a defence is something the rest of our squad doesn't really offer enough of.

We have to find a way to move Lukaku on in the summer, I think that's a given as he's a square peg in a round hole for Tuchel. Then anyone else in attack really depends on what we're looking to do in the summer and how big a priority a new attacker is. I wouldn't mind us taking a punt on Dembele if we can still get him on a free transfer, but someone needs to make way as a result. It's probably going to end up a toss up between Ziyech, Pulisic and Werner - all offer very different things but are all very inconsistent at times too.

Get rid of Ziyech. We have Gallagher coming back. 

As for Pulisic I would still keep him, and if Werner wants to continue with us then okay. But with Gallagher coming back one will leave....but then again Gallagher is mid, so he will be taking Saul spot. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,314]

Only ones i'd get rid of are Werner and Lukaku. Loan out CHO. 

[OneMoSalah 8,781]

On 13/04/2022 at 10:18, Superblue_1986 said:

It's not a coincidence that Tuchel reverting back to the Mount, Werner, Havertz trio these last 2 games has made us in general look a more fluid unit both in attack and with our pressing.

We'll have to see where we're at in the summer but at least for now this should be our first choice attack through to the end of the season. Werner I think deserves the chances to resurrect his Chelsea career and make sure we're not giving up on him too early because that ability and willingness to make those runs in behind a defence is something the rest of our squad doesn't really offer enough of.

We have to find a way to move Lukaku on in the summer, I think that's a given as he's a square peg in a round hole for Tuchel. Then anyone else in attack really depends on what we're looking to do in the summer and how big a priority a new attacker is. I wouldn't mind us taking a punt on Dembele if we can still get him on a free transfer, but someone needs to make way as a result. It's probably going to end up a toss up between Ziyech, Pulisic and Werner - all offer very different things but are all very inconsistent at times too.

Disagree on him getting the chance to resurrect his career here. Sell him in the summer.

Has played 83 games now across 2 seasons only scoring 22 goals which ultimately for someone who was renowned for being a goalscorer is unacceptable. He has missed something like 15 easy chances across 2 seasons now too. 

If he stays and again doesn’t produce we risk losing out another 10m on his potential resale price probably. He is too inconsistent and also mentally seems not fully up to it. Maybe that’s harsh on his mentality but was he not blabbing to the media about how its easier to play for the German NT? 

[MoroccanBlue 5,314]

10 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Disagree on him getting the chance to resurrect his career here. Sell him in the summer.

Has played 83 games now across 2 seasons only scoring 22 goals which ultimately for someone who was renowned for being a goalscorer is unacceptable. He has missed something like 15 easy chances across 2 seasons now too. 

If he stays and again doesn’t produce we risk losing out another 10m on his potential resale price probably. He is too inconsistent and also mentally seems not fully up to it. Maybe that’s harsh on his mentality but was he not blabbing to the media about how its easier to play for the German NT? 

Absolute nonsense to suggest we should keep him. Even at his best, he isn't cut out for this league. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,506]

I have seen several tweets, but don't know if the sources are legit, that Rangnick wants him at ManU.

[MoroccanBlue 5,314]

9 minutes ago, Hermione said:

I'm pretty sure most said the same thing about Rudiger a couple seasons ago and now everyone loves him and want him to stay. Werner has a future here and shouldn't go, not at least until worse players than him anyways. Lukaku and Ziyech should be the first to go and only after looking at Timo.

Completely different. Werner's game isn't suited for this league. There is some things you can coach and some you cannot. I don't expect any manager to come in and improve Werner's technical ability in tight areas. This is something you develop as a child, not in the prime of your career. 

Ziyech wins us points against mid table/bottom half clubs. Not to mention he has a element in his game that can be useful against low blocks. There is genuinely no point in Werner unless we play Southampton 38 times a season. 

[OneMoSalah 8,781]

30 minutes ago, Hermione said:

I'm pretty sure most said the same thing about Rudiger a couple seasons ago and now everyone loves him and want him to stay. Werner has a future here and shouldn't go, not at least until worse players than him anyways. Lukaku and Ziyech should be the first to go and only after looking at Timo.

Not even close to compare him and Rudi’s situations.

Rudi was actually pretty good under Conte and decent with Sarri, was really only Frank who froze him out. Rudiger had money in the bank so to speak from 2 seasons where he had performed reasonably well. Was Frank who didn’t play him/tried to let him go.

And arguing to keep Werner but let Lukaku go is also so stupid (although aye Rom must go as it looks like his relationship with TT is broken). Like yes Rom is an ill fit (incredibly) but if people are willing to give Werner 3 seasons to prove his worth as a Chelsea player then we might as well give everyone more 3 seasons. No?

I mean the two of them have flattered to deceive and I don’t think we can afford the patience to persevere with mediocre players (look at the Torres situation and what persevering/being unable to move him on did to us). 

Also wasn’t this the season Timo had to really prove himself? And play at a high level consistently? Or is it just keep going to he does it even if it takes another season or two or until his contracts done now?

Get rid before we cannot/whilst we can get some resale value. Ziyech also in that group just now, not done enough.

Edited April 14, 2022 by OneMoSalah

[ZAPHOD2319 4,506]

I think those who would give him more time is due to his work rate, he gives everything in every game he plays. The same can not be said of Rom. I still think it is time to get value from him. Another bad season and there might be no takers.

[Tomo 21,733]

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Not even close to compare him and Rudi’s situations.

Rudi was actually pretty good under Conte and decent with Sarri, was really only Frank who froze him out. Rudiger had money in the bank so to speak from 2 seasons where he had performed reasonably well. Was Frank who didn’t play him/tried to let him go.

And arguing to keep Werner but let Lukaku go is also so stupid (although aye Rom must go as it looks like his relationship with TT is broken). Like yes Rom is an ill fit (incredibly) but if people are willing to give Werner 3 seasons to prove his worth as a Chelsea player then we might as well give everyone more 3 seasons. No?

I mean the two of them have flattered to deceive and I don’t think we can afford the patience to persevere with mediocre players (look at the Torres situation and what persevering/being unable to move him on did to us). 

Also wasn’t this the season Timo had to really prove himself? And play at a high level consistently? Or is it just keep going to he does it even if it takes another season or two or until his contracts done now?

Get rid before we cannot/whilst we can get some resale value. Ziyech also in that group just now, not done enough.

Werner even when he's poor can offer some use stylistically. His pace and movement alone offers an extra dimension to the attack.

Lukaku is offering literally nothing, even in the one aspect even I thought he'd offer (finishing).

[Superblue 6,370]

For now, in my opinion, the last 2 games and performances have got him his place back in the side and let's see if it can be built on.

If he goes and scores a few goals between now and the end of the season I think it does pose questions, especially when Pulisic and Ziyech are equally as inconsistent and streaky with their performances. 

Lukaku over all though definitely has to be addressed first in the summer. 

[Blues11 213]

1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

For now, in my opinion, the last 2 games and performances have got him his place back in the side and let's see if it can be built on.

If he goes and scores a few goals between now and the end of the season I think it does pose questions, especially when Pulisic and Ziyech are equally as inconsistent and streaky with their performances. 

Lukaku over all though definitely has to be addressed first in the summer. 

Between Ziyech, Pulisic, and Werner, we've seen flashes from all of them. None of them are consistent enough.

One week we praise one and eventually mention they should leave next window.

I think they all have flaws and still need to improve.

Ziyech is magic at times on his left foot. He's the best passer when given space and he can curl them in at any moment. To me his main problems are he's too sloppy in possession and can't take players one on one as much as we need him to. Some of the better comparable players like Mahrez, Raphina both drive into their opponents and put more pressure on defenders. He's also 29 so not sure how much better he can improve. 

Pulisic is probably technically the best one out of all three. He can be shifty and take on players when he's playing with confidence. Uses both feet well. His downfall is his strength and inability to hold up the ball at times. He gets pushed over and when there's a defender draped on him, he'll most likely fall and miss the shot or pass. Finishing needs a lot of work. He's the youngest out of the bunch and if he can somehow stay healthy and get stronger he can still help the club. 

Werner is the best fit for Tuchel's current system. The way he presses and his work rate is terrific. He does a lot of the dirty work so other players are more free to succeed. Technically I don't think he's good enough to be elite but can still help from time to time. His movements are stiff and when he faces opposition who pressure him he tends to disappear too much. 

I would do my best to sell Lukaku and one of the three if possible. If I had to pick it would be Ziyech because of his age. We still need an impact player who can take defenders 1 on 1. I also think each one of these players would do better if our midfield was stronger. Only Kovacic is someone who can advance the ball from time to time but his end product isn't very good. Kante isn't as sharp as he once was so turns it over far too often and Jorgi when being pressed is not good enough. 

 

[OneMoSalah 8,781]

On 14/04/2022 at 19:41, Tomo said:

Werner even when he's poor can offer some use stylistically. His pace and movement alone offers an extra dimension to the attack.

Lukaku is offering literally nothing, even in the one aspect even I thought he'd offer (finishing).

Still, not entirely convinced its worth persevering with someone who only seems to play alright 2/3 games every so long and ultimately has underwhelmed throughout his spell here.

If we can get someone who can offer similar attributes and provide quality on a consistent basis then Werner is basically all but done here. Okay finding that is perhaps less straightforward than it sounds but even a different profile of player who can offer quality consistently. Depending on the likes of Ziyech, Timo and even Pulisic is very tough to do over the course of a season and you can’t build chemistry in a team by chopping and changing your attack due to poor/unconvincing performances every week. 

I don’t think he will survive here past the summer, or that he deserves the opportunity to either. Lukaku will be gone also. I am confident of this.