🇩🇪 Timo Werner

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14 hours ago, Jype said:

Werner has never been the most clinical of players. Last season in the Bundesliga he recorded 20 big chances missed, only second to Lewandowski at 24.

 

Oops, you give up the biggest secret of being good goalscorer. Getting to goalscoring chances and get shot is more important than finishing. 

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On 2020-11-25 at 9:24 AM, Jason said:

With the way people have been going about Werner missing chances, you would think this isn't someone who has scored 132 goals and even provided about 60 assists in his career. Heck, he already has 14 goals and 4 assists for club and country this season!

If Werner's passing, ability to retain the ball, first touch, finishing were so bad, he would not have been wanted by Hansi Flick, Klopp and even Guardiola and he wouldn't even be a fully fledged German international. 

On paper, yeah, Werner doesn't look suitable against low blocks but people haven't really been watching him over the past year or so, if they believe that's the case. He improved that part of his game under Nagelsmann and is getting better on it. He didn't score 34 goals for Leipzig in all competitions by accident last season and not everyone played a high line against them either. 

Think we can all agree that Werner needs a rest but the overreaction to his form because of the misses in the last 2 games has been . 

I try to base my judgement on how he is playing for Chelsea, rather than how he played for RB or what managers might have wanted him. The second point is very debatable anyway, we have no way of knowing just how interested other clubs were. They might have liked the idea of having him in the team, but did not deem him worth what we paid. 

I also don't base my judgement of him from the last two games. I have noticed the same tendencies from the first friendly we saw him in.
He works hard, is very fast and if given space will find a goalscoring position. It is not a question of him being a bad player, but he has also shown some clear weaknesses so far. 

If you think that his first touch or passing is good, then fair enough it is your opinion. What I have seen is a different story though, and for me his touch lets him down quite often. The ball gets away from him and he either loses it or the attack loses momentum. 
I also find it very rare to see him provide any more advanced passes (such as link-up play in the attack). He is not expected to be Fabregas so I don't hold it against him too much, but when you are likely to face a low block in most of your games passing becomes a very important secondary attribute.
In terms of being clinical in front of the goal I would like to hold of on any serious judgement a bit longer, but I am becoming a bit worried there too. 

Again, he is a good player that I like having in the team. He provides a lot of  qualities that help us move the ball fast which is an improvement from last season. 
I am just questioning whether he will have the qualities to match the level of strikers such as Kane, Aguero and Drogba to name a few.

Also, the comparison to Kalou was not in terms of them being the exact same player, which I think was clear in context. It was about the role in the squad. It is also not a suggestion for tomorrow, but in the future if Chelsea manage to deal with the more urgent needs in the squad. 

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[Johnnyeye 7,509]

52 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

goat at flopping

[Vytis33 1,272]

Makes so many runs every game would love to see him play with Cesc...

[Johnnyeye 7,509]

he had no service today, also Ziyech had a poor game by his standards

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Took the he offside goal well. Has scored 3 offside goals now in the last 3 games. Annoying

[Jase 43,479]

Can't defend Werner for that miss early in the game because...that was just fucked up but did we buy him only because he scored lots of goals for Leipzig? Because those number looked pretty? He didn't score 90+ goals for Leipzig in the Bundesliga and Champions League by constantly playing out wide like a winger. He is a STRIKER and yet, we are using him like a winger. He doesn't do well out wide because he isn't a winger and then gets slammed for not doing the things that a wide man should be doing.

[Azul 1,615]

Can't defend Werner for that miss early in the game because...that was just fucked up but did we buy him only because he scored lots of goals for Leipzig? Because those number looked pretty? He didn't score 90+ goals for Leipzig in the Bundesliga and Champions League by constantly playing out wide like a winger. He is a STRIKER and yet, we are using him like a winger. He doesn't do well out wide because he isn't a winger and then gets slammed for not doing the things that a wide man should be doing.

He missed more chances in the second half. Him missing chances in front of goal has nothing to do with him playing out wide. Instead of making excuses for him, just accept the fact that he is not performing at the moment.

I believe he's not confident in front of goal at the moment, but I have no doubt he'll be a success for us. I hope he picks up form as soon as possible though.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Azul said:

He missed more chances in the second half. Him missing chances in front of goal has nothing to do with him playing out wide. Instead of making excuses for him, just accept the fact that he is not performing at the moment.

I believe he's not confident in front of goal at the moment, but I have no doubt he'll be a success for us. I hope he picks up form as soon as possible though.

Maybe I should have worded it properly but don't get me wrong, I am not making excuses for him and those missed chances. He should have scored a few goals today. We all know it and am sure Werner know it as well. That is that.

The wider point, as I mentioned above, is how we are using him. We are using him out wide like a winger and let's face it, he's not a winger. He's not going to consistently dribble at players, dribble past them to create chances like a normal winger would. When we use him out wide, we practically lose that kind of threat from a wide position. We and he might be better served playing as a striker upfront, where he can focus on just doing damage there, instead of having to chase people out wide, run up and down, create chances, score goals etc.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

If he's not scoring, he's creating chances. That's what we want in players who are in a rut. Always getting involved. 

[Vytis33 1,272]

Has had his misses no doubt but keeps coming like a freight train all game long.  Love that trait about him.  No head down sulking like Morata. 

[Azul 1,615]

Maybe I should have worded it properly but don't get me wrong, I am not making excuses for him and those missed chances. He should have scored a few goals today. We all know it and am sure Werner know it as well. That is that.
The wider point, as I mentioned above, is how we are using him. We are using him out wide like a winger and let's face it, he's not a winger. He's not going to consistently dribble at players, dribble past them to create chances like a normal winger would. When we use him out wide, we practically lose that kind of threat from a wide position. We and he might be better served playing as a striker upfront, where he can focus on just doing damage there, instead of having to chase people out wide, run up and down, create chances, score goals etc.

Very true. I hope that he starts as a striker against Krasnodar. He needs to score some goals against them to get back in his element.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Azul said:

19 minutes ago, Jason said:

Maybe I should have worded it properly but don't get me wrong, I am not making excuses for him and those missed chances. He should have scored a few goals today. We all know it and am sure Werner know it as well. That is that.
The wider point, as I mentioned above, is how we are using him. We are using him out wide like a winger and let's face it, he's not a winger. He's not going to consistently dribble at players, dribble past them to create chances like a normal winger would. When we use him out wide, we practically lose that kind of threat from a wide position. We and he might be better served playing as a striker upfront, where he can focus on just doing damage there, instead of having to chase people out wide, run up and down, create chances, score goals etc.

Very true. I hope that he starts as a striker against Krasnodar. He needs to score some goals against them to get back in his element.

As much as it is tempting to do that, I wouldn't risk it. We have Everton, Wolves and West Ham to come after that in the space of a week.

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

Is it really just last couple of games? In the league he did not score in 8 from 11 games. Two goals against SU and Burnley were out of the context because it was already game over and in those games he also had some misses...

That leaves only Southampton where he was excellent! In CL in 5 games he did not score apart from penalties! Strikers are judged by goals as always so he needs to improve big time.

So take away pens he scored in just 3 games from 16.

[Jase 43,479]

7 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Is it really just last couple of games? In the league he did not score in 8 from 11 games. Two goals against SU and Burnley were out of the context because it was already game over and in those games he also had some misses...

That leaves only Southampton where he was excellent! In CL in 5 games he did not score apart from penalties! Strikers are judged by goals as always so he needs to improve big time.

So take away pens he scored in just 3 games from 16.

Ironically, he's our top scorer this season.

Make no mistake, that he should have scored more is obvious. Some of the recent misses have been shit...even I could only laugh in despair!  

That aside, are we suddenly just dismissing the period of adaptation, the fact that the whole team took some time to get going and all that earlier in the season? 

And by the way, he also has 3 assists this season and has won 3-4 penalties as well. 

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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Ironically, he's our top scorer this season.

Make no mistake, that he should have scored more is obvious. Some of the recent misses have been shit...even I could only laugh in despair!  

That aside, are we suddenly just dismissing the period of adaptation, the fact that the whole team took some time to get going and all that earlier in the season? 

And by the way, he also has 3 assists this season and has won 3-4 penalties as well. 

Morata started better... 

[Tomo 21,751]

I thought he played well despite that horror miss (not blaming him for the other two they were world class saves by Meslier).

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, NikkiCFC said:

Morata started better... 

LOL and look what happened...

And the comparison with Morata just because of the missed chances is just fucking lazy and stupid. For starters, had Morata missed all those chances that Werner had recently, he would have started to sulk and hide away from the action. But that's not the case with Werner, is it? He always keeps going at it, going for the shots etc. You might make his numbers look unimpressive by breaking them down but overall, it's been a decent return for someone in his first season in England, with the club in this crazy season. If he's already posting that kind of numbers while on a slow start, just imagine the kind of numbers he will start putting up when he and the team really get going!

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

LOL and look what happened...

And the comparison with Morata just because of the missed chances is just fucking lazy and stupid. For starters, had Morata missed all those chances that Werner had recently, he would have started to sulk and hide away from the action. But that's not the case with Werner, is it? He always keeps going at it, going for the shots etc. You might make his numbers look unimpressive by breaking them down but overall, it's been a decent return for someone in his first season in England, with the club in this crazy season. If he's already posting that kind of numbers while on a slow start, just imagine the kind of numbers he will start putting up when he and the team really get going!

No one is comparing him to Morata. I am just messing around.