Billy Gilmour

[kellzfresh 7,229]

He also had a passing accuracy of 91%

I saw a lot of people say he had a bad game. I don't think so. He competed against palace throughout the game, infact part of palace tactics was Benteke staying beside Gilmour to win goalkicks and Gilmour fought on despite the height difference. He made crucial tackles and was always there for the defence.

Gilmour has been blamed for the first goal, but James lost the ball again and there were two palace players running free on our right flank, Gilmour had to cover the spaces than to allow our centerback vacate his position. Gilmour blocked the pass but the ball unfortunately falls to zaha who hits a shot from 30 yards centrally that Kepa should have got his hands on.

Palace were physical and Gilmour helped to restrict palace from creating any meaningful chances while on the pitch, even though Palace had a gameplan to target Gilmour throughout.

You can see that when he came off and Palace stopped sitting back and really attacked us in the last few minutes we nearly conceded 3 goals.

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

No none who saw the natch yesterday can say that was an assured performance. It was absolute chaos. And Gilmour in the middle of it. We could not control the midfield to save our lives. Getting overrun. Also only 37 of 81 touches forward how is that a good stat. 

[Special Juan 27,429]

Him and Reece have been on the coke during lockdown I think

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

You can see that when he came off and Palace stopped sitting back and really attacked us in the last few minutes we nearly conceded 3 goals.

Disagree with this. When Gilmour was on the pitch, we never looked in control of the game. It was like watching a basketball game. It kept going back and forth. Jorginho came on and we looked much more in control of the 10 minutes or so that followed than the entire game before that. It was only 10 minutes but it took the momentum out of Palace for that period of time when we could have easily conceded. 

Palace coming at us in the last few minutes was more down to (a) the players making stupid errors - e.g. Abraham gave the ball away and nearly cost us a goal - (b) the classic case of the losing team throwing the kitchen sink in the final few minutes and (c) our overall poor in-game management - e.g. some players not being smart enough to run down the clock and kept making wrong decisions. 

[killer1257 3,282]

I also thought he was decent. Not a dominating performance, but decent

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[Strike 7,217]

6/10 from Gilmour. Started brightly and was leaping over players much taller than him to win headers.

Few sloppy passes and absent from his position while defending sometimes. But don't think this was as bad as people are making it out to be. He fought well and was running down Palace players through out. 

 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

7 hours ago, Jason said:

Disagree with this. When Gilmour was on the pitch, we never looked in control of the game. It was like watching a basketball game. It kept going back and forth. Jorginho came on and we looked much more in control of the 10 minutes or so that followed than the entire game before that. It was only 10 minutes but it took the momentum out of Palace for that period of time when we could have easily conceded. 

Palace coming at us in the last few minutes was more down to (a) the players making stupid errors - e.g. Abraham gave the ball away and nearly cost us a goal - (b) the classic case of the losing team throwing the kitchen sink in the final few minutes and (c) our overall poor in-game management - e.g. some players not being smart enough to run down the clock and kept making wrong decisions. 

Jorginho did well in helping us hold possession, control the tempo of the game and make it slow like sarri's style. But once other players made individual errors like Abraham giving the ball away, Palace cut through the midfield like butter and the post / Zouma saved us a couple of times from conceding. You can't account for the mistakes of others like James losing the ball in a crucial area leading to Zaha worldie / Kepa not saving a direct shot at him and Christensen falling like Cahill and costing us a goal.

So no matter if Jorginho has a pass accuracy of 91% like Gilmour and not giving the ball away only Zouma and the post prevented us from conceding 2 goals while he was on the pitch. Gilmour was decent yesterday, a solid 6.5 or 7/10 in my opinion. That Jorginho was better on the day does not mean that Gilmour played terrible imo.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

Jorginho did well in helping us hold possession, control the tempo of the game and make it slow like sarri's style. But once other players made individual errors like Abraham giving the ball away, Palace cut through the midfield like butter and the post / Zouma saved us a couple of times from conceding. You can't account for the mistakes of others like James losing the ball in a crucial area leading to Zaha worldie / Kepa not saving a direct shot at him and Christensen falling like Cahill and costing us a goal.

So no matter if Jorginho has a pass accuracy of 91% like Gilmour and not giving the ball away only Zouma and the post prevented us from conceding 2 goals while he was on the pitch. Gilmour was decent yesterday, a solid 6.5 or 7/10 in my opinion. That Jorginho was better on the day does not mean that Gilmour played terrible imo.

I don't think anyone is saying Gilmour had a terrible game at Palace but he doesn't have quite enough at the moment to control games that we want to. Although understandable, he hasn't played at the level he showed pre-pandemic since the restart. Also don't think it's fair from Lampard to expect a 19-year-old to come in and start to boss games consistently.

[Tomo 21,733]

19 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

Jorginho did well in helping us hold possession, control the tempo of the game and make it slow like sarri's style. But once other players made individual errors like Abraham giving the ball away, Palace cut through the midfield like butter and the post / Zouma saved us a couple of times from conceding. You can't account for the mistakes of others like James losing the ball in a crucial area leading to Zaha worldie / Kepa not saving a direct shot at him and Christensen falling like Cahill and costing us a goal.

So no matter if Jorginho has a pass accuracy of 91% like Gilmour and not giving the ball away only Zouma and the post prevented us from conceding 2 goals while he was on the pitch. Gilmour was decent yesterday, a solid 6.5 or 7/10 in my opinion. That Jorginho was better on the day does not mean that Gilmour played terrible imo.

This is exactly what I was worried about after his debut, expectations became too high and now even good performances are going to be passed off as poor because he's being measured against those games Vs Liverpool and Everton.

[Jase 43,479]

Err...

 

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

To be fair to the boy, everton gave him so much time and space. Liverpool was the truly great showing. Billy showed he was capable defensively but the whole team was sitting deep and when Liverpool lost the ball he had options to pass a vertical ball (even in his poor performances we can see he's a good passer of the ball forward).

I've got a sneaky suspicion he is suited in a pivot as opposed to an anchor.


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[MoroccanBlue 5,302]

Does it go into detail what kind of injury?

[Strike 7,217]

Only The Sun has it so far. Will wait for more journos to report

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

Could be a blessing in disguise. I hope he gets fit soon but he clearly was out of his depth in every performance till the restart and more matches would have damaged his confidence. Hopefully Jorginho starts adn Kovacic is fit again. Gilmour may be our future but Jorginho at present is the much better player.

[Jase 43,479]

55 minutes ago, Strike said:

Only The Sun has it so far. Will wait for more journos to report

 

[Rapkun 668]

At this point the midfielders are selected by default. We really need at least one of Kanté or Kovacic back. Possible Lewis Bate debut?

[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, Rapkun said:

At this point the midfielders are selected by default. We really need at least one of Kanté or Kovacic back. Possible Lewis Bate debut?

Kovacic is back in training.

[Rapkun 668]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Kovacic is back in training.

Oh Great news if true. Still it's unlikely that he plays in front of the defense so it will probably be Jorginho Kova/Barkley and Mount.