Super Frank Thread

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

59 minutes ago, Jason said:

Assuming what Lampard said last night was true, then I think it's one of two things - (a) he has told them the designated takers but it wasn't made clear enough because otherwise, we wouldn't have seen all that commotion between Willian, Barkley, Jorginho and to a lesser extent Abraham or (b) the others decided to break ranks and go against what was told. 

I think the only reason why Willian came to Barkley is because Ross just came in so he assumed he's not ready to take a penalty. 

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I think the only reason why Willian came to Barkley is because Ross just came in so he assumed he's not ready to take a penalty. 

Agree with this. I can't understand what all the fuss is about.

We can all debate if Barkley is the right choice but if Lampard has made the decision that he is the best man for that job then it's right that he's first choice when he's on the pitch.

I think the whole issue is that Barkley had only been on for a few minutes and not really got into the rhythm of the game, hence why Jorginho and Willian who seem to be the next in line, wanted to make sure he was prepared to take it. 

Willian shouldn't have hung around for as long once Barkley said he was fine, but I can't understand how this is Lampard's fault. If he's compiled a list of penalty takers then that should be adhered by the players unless the one who is in line to take doesn't fancy it (and in that circumstance they really shouldn't be considered then anyway).

[Jase 43,479]

I guess whatever happens, Lampard has "done well" in securing the long term future of our young players. Loftus-Cheek, Mount, CHO have all signed new contracts. James, Tomori and Abraham to follow suit. Now it's up to them to justify the hype and faith.

[Pizy 18,848]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

I guess whatever happens, Lampard has "done well" in securing the long term future of our young players. Loftus-Cheek, Mount, CHO have all signed new contracts. James, Tomori and Abraham to follow suit. Now it's up to them to justify the hype and faith.

It really is crazy to think that had literally anyone but Lamps been appointed, our side would look dramatically different. Mount, Tammy, Reece James, and Tomori would probably be back on loan after a couple of preseason matches. CHO would almost certainly be at Bayern. 

The transfer ban has inadvertently secured our future. Had yet another foreign manager come in or if Sarri had stayed none of what we see now would happen.

[communicate 2,703]

If everyone is healthy my pick for our team will be

Mount - Tammy - Cho 

Kovacic - kante - ruben 

Should be very2 dynamic and fun to watch 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

18 hours ago, Pizy said:

It really is crazy to think that had literally anyone but Lamps been appointed, our side would look dramatically different. Mount, Tammy, Reece James, and Tomori would probably be back on loan after a couple of preseason matches. CHO would almost certainly be at Bayern. 

The transfer ban has inadvertently secured our future. Had yet another foreign manager come in or if Sarri had stayed none of what we see now would happen.

It is true. Lampard has already justified his appointment by tying down our top youbgsters. Shrewd move by the board to sign him. Even if we fuck up the season conpletely as long as we avoid relegation which should be expected, we will have a fresh startvin a new era as soon as the ban is over...with or without Lamps

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, communicate said:

If everyone is healthy my pick for our team will be

Mount - Tammy - Cho 

Kovacic - kante - ruben 

Should be very2 dynamic and fun to watch 

Agree apart from Jorginho in for Kovacic then swapping positions with Kante.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

2 hours ago, communicate said:

If everyone is healthy my pick for our team will be

Mount - Tammy - Cho 

Kovacic - kante - ruben 

Should be very2 dynamic and fun to watch 

Mount is not a winger though, rather Pulisic. 

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, communicate said:

If everyone is healthy my pick for our team will be

Mount - Tammy - Cho 

Kovacic - kante - ruben 

Should be very2 dynamic and fun to watch 

It remains to be seen if Loftus-Cheek can actually stay fit and play consecutive games. He has his back issues and isn't the most fit of players in terms of stamina and energy. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

Think frank is underusing giroud. Tammy had a poor first half against Valencia and should have been subbed off at halftime or early second half.

thats part of the learning as well. Start him again against Liverpool, but show him what he was not doing, via different player.

also did not like azpi as rwb. Wrong player for that position. Conte won the fucking league with azpi as a cb in that formation! Any clues?!

have to be honest here: I dislike frank as a manager so far.

[Superblue 6,372]

I was a big supporter of Frank getting the job in the summer for the main reason that it needed someone to come in and work towards the long term benefits of the club rather than the short term.

The coaches at Chelsea have always known it will be a couple of years cycle and as a result aren't prepared to think long term. It's very much a 'what can I get out of this job' approach for the coaches and with good reason because a trophy or two can only help boost their standing and profile for future jobs.

Bringing Lampard in, someone who has an affinity with this club and an understanding of what the supporters would love to see, we have someone not afraid of making long term decisions even if they have a negative short term impact because he cares for the club and wants to see the club have a solid footing for longer term success even if he isn't the coach.

The transfer ban has obviously aided things, but he could easily put Giroud ahead of Tammy, Barkley ahead of Mount and kept Luiz and loaned out Tomori. I'm pretty sure none of them would have had much look in under Sarri if he'd stayed.

What Klopp said today is right, the work that Lampard has put in so far in just a short space of time has already turned Tammy and Mount into big players worth a lot of money. Tomori is heading down that route, and Hudson-Odoi is now signed up too.

Yes Lampard still has a lot to learn tactically but he's in just his second year of management. It has to be taken into consideration in the grand scheme of things and if he needs to gain the experience, I'd rather he get it now when a core group of players are also in need of it because if the academy lads develop as we're all hoping and we buy well next summer, we could start growing back into a real force again.

Until then, for the first time in a long while I enjoy watching us despite the lack of consistency at present and I love seeing players finally be given an opportunity who deserve it. Those that I've watched playing and winning us youth cups and hopefully becoming big players for our country too. It's easy to dismiss the pride, particularly English fans, have in players breaking through at their clubs from the youth team.

[communicate 2,703]

9 hours ago, Tomo said:

Aree apart from Jorginho in for Kovacic then swapping positions with Kante.

I am not big fan of Jorginho if we want to play this more direct football. If we can sign a good holder then obviously kante will replace Kovacic