closed Spurs 3-1 Chelsea

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Its work in progress but Sarri will have to adopt to PL and certain teams. Current way its predictable and while we play nicer football, its also less effective.

For example, we shouldnt play Jorginho as DM against their midfielders. Jorginho is just too weak for that. Also Giroud who is good in aerial challenges should start because that is also spuds defenders weakness.

[yuvala 2,167]

17 hours ago, Robguima said:

When the defense is tested a couple of times, or even a few times during a tough match and they fail conceding goals, then I am all for pointing the finger at them.

however, we’re completely and utterly dominated especially at the time we were conceding the goals. Two of which were mostly kepa s fault, not the defense.

so, no I cannot agree that the defense let us down. The team was bad and the kepa was shocking.

Are you kidding? Yes, Kepa was very much responssible for two of the goals but that defense.. come on. Tottenham's players were having a laugh.. strolling all over our box like nothing. 

[MichaelDance 552]

50 minutes ago, yuvala said:

Are you kidding? Yes, Kepa was very much responssible for two of the goals but that defense.. come on. Tottenham's players were having a laugh.. strolling all over our box like nothing. 

Yeah Kepa kept it from being 5-0 at that point and I love Giroud and he has the passion we need to get back into the winning ways. However if our defence plays like shit what do we expect? And if the midfield doesn't give the striker the ball how can they score a few people don't understand that but I hate to say it Spurs were playing like we were to them before.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

2 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Its work in progress but Sarri will have to adopt to PL and certain teams. Current way its predictable and while we play nicer football, its also less effective.

For example, we shouldnt play Jorginho as DM against their midfielders. Jorginho is just too weak for that. Also Giroud who is good in aerial challenges should start because that is also spuds defenders weakness.

I give you another perspective - First I think he needs to adjust to his own squad. I agree with you I think we look too predictable but IMO it is because there are not enough goalscorers in our team. Sarri had four starters at Napoli that would share goals between them week in, week out - Hamsik, Insigne, Mertens, Callejon. 

Here there is only one top, top goalscorer and this is Hazard. Apart from that we play without a striker and the midfield is not productive enough. IMO we are basically one quality centre forward, winger and midfielder away from challenging for the title. Morata is not good enough, nor is Willian/Pedro and none of the midfielders are scoring enough. We can't wait for Hazard to win every match on his own. This season is going to be all about clinching top 4 and I think we'll do. 

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

1 hour ago, petre.ispirescu said:

I give you another perspective - First I think he needs to adjust to his own squad. I agree with you I think we look too predictable but IMO it is because there are not enough goalscorers in our team. Sarri had four starters at Napoli that would share goals between them week in, week out - Hamsik, Insigne, Mertens, Callejon. 

Here there is only one top, top goalscorer and this is Hazard. Apart from that we play without a striker and the midfield is not productive enough. IMO we are basically one quality centre forward, winger and midfielder away from challenging for the title. Morata is not good enough, nor is Willian/Pedro and none of the midfielders are scoring enough. We can't wait for Hazard to win every match on his own. This season is going to be all about clinching top 4 and I think we'll do. 

Hmmmmmm i don't think we just a winger, a midfielder, and striker is what is needed we need another decent central defender to play along side of Rudi, even then we're a long long way off challenging for the title I think you're a bit deluded there mate.

I'm not even sure we're good enough to finish in the top four this season, manure are creeping up arse are playing better with emery, and we are struggling can't break down park the bus teams, and can'y compete with other teams that play a high pressing game, we've been found out as per Conte.

[robsblubot 3,595]

4 hours ago, yuvala said:

Are you kidding? Yes, Kepa was very much responssible for two of the goals but that defense.. come on. Tottenham's players were having a laugh.. strolling all over our box like nothing. 

Defending was really bad starting with our front players who did not press or chase well enough. Tottenham defended better and put us under pressure with a high line at all times. They were the far better team.

they were having s laugh and strolling in our half because they were not contained in midfield. Our defense was mediocre, just like the rest of the team. Focusing on them is missing the whole picture imo.

funny how people minimize the impact of the two goals. Goals change games and being 2 down away from home against strong opposition must have been deflating, with our gameplan down the drain.

[robsblubot 3,595]

5 hours ago, Mana said:

...Morata can't even do one of the basic things as a striker and that is staying onside.

Morata has been caught offside, more so then any other player in the PL this season.

Morata isn't a better player. He had a tiny spell of scoring every game, but that's gone now. He is without a doubt, one of the worst Chelsea players we had in the last decade, and along with Lukaku, the worst top 6 CF.

Heh we are not going to agree on this because I don’t think the striker position is only about scoring, after all giroud himself won the World Cup without scoring a single goal. We just don’t create enough chances for any striker to succeed nor do we have enough goal scorers to circumvent that... in other words it’s just not a great team.

while I agree they are not good enough, I thought morata had a decent game by his standards linking up play well enough and even finishing from a difficult half change from a Willian cross early on. After the game turned sour, then our gameplan was gone.

apologize for the double-posting lazy iPad...

[BlueLyon 9,359]

4 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

I give you another perspective - First I think he needs to adjust to his own squad. I agree with you I think we look too predictable but IMO it is because there are not enough goalscorers in our team. Sarri had four starters at Napoli that would share goals between them week in, week out - Hamsik, Insigne, Mertens, Callejon. 

Here there is only one top, top goalscorer and this is Hazard. Apart from that we play without a striker and the midfield is not productive enough. IMO we are basically one quality centre forward, winger and midfielder away from challenging for the title. Morata is not good enough, nor is Willian/Pedro and none of the midfielders are scoring enough. We can't wait for Hazard to win every match on his own. This season is going to be all about clinching top 4 and I think we'll do. 

To challenge for title, we need new striker, RW, CB and LB. And Kovacic to massively improve. But right now I would be just happy with new quality striker.

[Blue Armour 4,436]

14 hours ago, bigbluewillie said:

I've only just found out the final score, lucky to concede only 3.

Time to get rid of Sarri.

Get someone in with a personality, he's clueless about formations, has no motivational prowess, and he's playing the wee man out of position, get rid of him and appoint Franco with Jodi as his assistant.

I can see why he's never won fuck all, he bottled it at the death with Napoli last season.

Then we need at least 1 central defender, a striker or 2, and a wide man, and that's just a start

 

7 hours ago, bigbluewillie said:

Hmmmmmm i don't think we just a winger, a midfielder, and striker is what is needed we need another decent central defender to play along side of Rudi, even then we're a long long way off challenging for the title I think you're a bit deluded there mate.

I'm not even sure we're good enough to finish in the top four this season, manure are creeping up arse are playing better with emery, and we are struggling can't break down park the bus teams, and can'y compete with other teams that play a high pressing game, we've been found out as per Conte.

Overreaction. 

First defeat of the season, and you're already throwing in the towel, with more than half a season left to go.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

9 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

I give you another perspective - First I think he needs to adjust to his own squad. I agree with you I think we look too predictable but IMO it is because there are not enough goalscorers in our team. Sarri had four starters at Napoli that would share goals between them week in, week out - Hamsik, Insigne, Mertens, Callejon. 

Here there is only one top, top goalscorer and this is Hazard. Apart from that we play without a striker and the midfield is not productive enough. IMO we are basically one quality centre forward, winger and midfielder away from challenging for the title. Morata is not good enough, nor is Willian/Pedro and none of the midfielders are scoring enough. We can't wait for Hazard to win every match on his own. This season is going to be all about clinching top 4 and I think we'll do. 

Out of that list Insigne and Hamsik are the only two players who are better than what we have perhaps in our positions though, Pedro and Willian aren't inferior players to Callejon or Mertens by any means (although Mertens goal record was impressive for a winger who never really had half as productive a season or two in his whole career), you could argue with fine tuning Kovacic is better than Hamsik (other than goals and tactical experience from playing for so many years in so many different positions dont think Hamsik does much more or better than Kova) and Insigne wouldn't take Edens place but could defos play in our team the guys a top class player. 

It's not just about the individual qualities of these players though, Napoli played this system ten or twenty times better because they adjusted to it over a longer period, anyone expecting us to be like Napoli were in 20 games and 1 transfer window sorry but its not happening. Napoli took a full season really to evolve into the team that coaches, players and fans watched with interest. There was a huge difference in Napoli in season 1, season 2 and season 3 under Sarri, a big evolution from Benitez' pragmatic approach.

Still need to sort some things and improve, the defence, pressing, 1 and 2 touch combinations in and around the box can be a lot better, scoring more goals etc... the style has been a nice change but it's only 30-40% of where we should be trying to get to perhaps. I think this season if we get top 4 (achievable 100%) then we really can push on next season, no world cup disrupting pre-season, hopefully another few players come in (maybe 1 or 2 come in January too?) the summer to shape Sarri's squad more in what he wants. 

Sarri needs time 100% yes but solutions though. Fast. Because results are the way this club runs the management and if the coach isn't getting them, well, he's no use regardless of style he wants to implenent because we know how the hierarchy operate. It's quite alarming that the last wee while we seem to not have progressed as much compared to Arsenal who initially struggled but have now come into a real rich vein of form in terms of results and despite playing poorly are able to grind out wins.

[11Drogba 2,000]

22 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Out of that list Insigne and Hamsik are the only two players who are better than what we have perhaps in our positions though, Pedro and Willian aren't inferior players to Callejon or Mertens by any means (although Mertens goal record was impressive for a winger who never really had half as productive a season or two in his whole career), you could argue with fine tuning Kovacic is better than Hamsik (other than goals and tactical experience from playing for so many years in so many different positions dont think Hamsik does much more or better than Kova) and Insigne wouldn't take Edens place but could defos play in our team the guys a top class player.

They are playing in Serie A. Willain, Giroud, Morata might be good enough for Serie A but they are not good enough to play Sarriball and be effective in PL. Hamsik, Callejon, Mertens are good enough to play Sarriball and be effective in Serie A.

[coolhead23 1,147]

Couldnt see the match and dont have the stomach to see it now. Read it somewhere that Sarri was taken aback on how Spurs eliminated Jorginho. 

We had a loss coming and I'm glad specially when fans were started to hype the winning run however I'm disappointed that it came against Spurs. 

Had mentioned it before that once the opposition will start targeting/pressurizing Jorginho it will be chaos and more importantly how we switch to plan B from there will showcase how matured we are. Sarri has to start looking at plan B because there is lot to be done in the current team, currently I feel he is focused on perfection which could be difficult with this set of players. 

Anyways more learning to be done ... Hoping better integration of plans in the team. Keep going, Blues!!! 

[Special Juan 28,096]

This was a truly disgusting performance. Another shit slow start allowing them to play how they wanted.

Luiz and Morata absolute shite, when is Sarri going to realise that Morata is shite and should not be started ahead of Giroud.

It was gutless from them all, I'm still fucking fuming.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

3 hours ago, coolhead23 said:

Read it somewhere that Sarri was taken aback on how Spurs eliminated Jorginho. 

He shouldn't be too taken aback. Night before the game on TV they were showing how Everton managed to neutralize him by surrounding him with four players. Even on FIFA 19 part of the standard commentary is 'players need to get closer to the Brazilian'. 

[11Drogba 2,000]

On 11/25/2018 at 1:44 PM, Mana said:

But I’d still rather have Giroud starting than Morata. Other attacking players play better with him on the pitch.

I don't exactly remember but I saw several times on twitter now that Hazard scored all his 7 goals when Giroud was on the pitch and none with Morata.