Jack Grealish

[Hutcho 8,443]

Cant see this thread being used by us again with him signing a new 5 year contract. 
Wonder what hes not got the ambition to move? Unless he likes being the big fish in a small pool.

He's a villa fan playing in the prem for his boyhood club. Fair play to him. He is living every kids dream

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8 minutes ago, Hutcho said:

4 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Cant see this thread being used by us again with him signing a new 5 year contract. 
Wonder what hes not got the ambition to move? Unless he likes being the big fish in a small pool.

He's a villa fan playing in the prem for his boyhood club. Fair play to him. He is living every kids dream

Plus my guess is that there is a release cause in the event Villa go down.

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

AV is ambitious. With Martinez, Traore and Rashica they will spend almost 300m in two summers.

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

Amazing player. Should play for much bigger team.

Mount father retweeting this tweet was embarrassing. They are team mates, and Jack never got the chance because he played just 90mins in his career for England. In fact, he is worth Mount, Barkley and 30m at the moment.

Also UTD was stupid not to spend Sancho money on him.

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Amazing player. Should play for much bigger team.

Mount father retweeting this tweet was embarrassing. They are team mates, and Jack never got the chance because he played just 90mins in his career for England. In fact, he is worth Mount, Barkley and 30m at the moment.

Also UTD was stupid not to spend Sancho money on him.

All I'll say is that Chelsea Youth fella is embarrassing and a prick. Makes me wish that we will sell all our youth players right now, just to see his reaction!

[Tomo 21,751]

22 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Amazing player. Should play for much bigger team.

Mount father retweeting this tweet was embarrassing. They are team mates, and Jack never got the chance because he played just 90mins in his career for England. In fact, he is worth Mount, Barkley and 30m at the moment.

Also UTD was stupid not to spend Sancho money on him.

The wankfest over Grealish makes the Mount bashing/writing off even worse.

 Yes Jack is clearly better now but lets he hasn't always been this good, when Grealish was the age Mount is now, he scored 5 goals in 31 Championship games (and had a further two Champo season's where he never scored more than 6 the latter of which Mount himself outscored him), the year before (at the age Mount was last season to which he scored a matchwinning goal to help us get CL) he was a squad player at one of the worst PL teams of all time. Oh and just over a year ago he claimed the record for longest personal PL run without being on the winning side.

[Hutcho 8,443]

The wankfest over Grealish makes the Mount bashing/writing off even worse.
 Yes Jack is clearly better now but lets he hasn't always been this good, when Grealish was the age Mount is now, he scored 5 goals in 31 Championship games (and had a further two Champo season's where he never scored more than 6 the latter of which Mount himself outscored him), the year before (at the age Mount was last season to which he scored a matchwinning goal to help us get CL) he was a squad player at one of the worst PL teams of all time. Oh and just over a year ago he claimed the record for longest personal PL run without being on the winning side.

The whole thing that is has to be one or the other or a direct comparisons is embarrassing in itself. Grealish should have played for England but instead of kalvin Phillips not instead of mount.

Its just pure shite driven by idiots who call themselves fans. Mount is a kid who's improving but will make errors and needs people to get behind him rather than bash him non stop as if he's supposed to be the finished article at his age.

Grealish is hitting his peak age for being a footballer and Mount has had 1 full season in the prem and is 4 years younger. Completely different situations.

[King Kante 1,643]

20 minutes ago, Tomo said:

The wankfest over Grealish makes the Mount bashing/writing off even worse.

 Yes Jack is clearly better now but lets he hasn't always been this good, when Grealish was the age Mount is now, he scored 5 goals in 31 Championship games (and had a further two Champo season's where he never scored more than 6 the latter of which Mount himself outscored him), the year before (at the age Mount was last season to which he scored a matchwinning goal to help us get CL) he was a squad player at one of the worst PL teams of all time. Oh and just over a year ago he claimed the record for longest personal PL run without being on the winning side.

The Mount criticism around here is crazy, I truly am unable to comprehend it. However, it should be remembered that half of those doing it are probably the same lot that thought selling KdB for £18m was a good idea due to him having an attitude problem and being lazy. 

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, King Kante said:

The Mount criticism around here is crazy, I truly am unable to comprehend it. However, it should be remembered that half of those doing it are probably the same lot that thought selling KdB for £18m was a good idea due to him having an attitude problem and being lazy. 

It's not even the criticsm that annoys me but the sheer bitterness displayed to one of our own is something else, even Real fans give more leeway to their own products. It's not even like he's up himself either, he's one of the most genuine guys in football who gives his all for this club. He's literally done nothing to deserve what he's getting.

It's honestly getting close to the point i'd back him if he does a Lampard (to West Ham fans) on us.

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

The wankfest over Grealish makes the Mount bashing/writing off even worse.

 Yes Jack is clearly better now 

First of all, I thought people not rating Mount is small group but in the last couple of days I saw it was trending on Twitter and such a mainstream thing now. After England games.

If Jack is clearly better now why are you not as a England fan upset that Mount starts over him? l do not really care but I want to believe that Southgate is trying options in League of Nations but imagine outrage if Mount plays on EURO?

I dont think people hate Mount but have problem with him starting here and for England because there are way superior players around.

Havertz here and Grealish/Maddison for England. And since he is for some unknown reason playing as a winger you can add Pulisic, Ziyech, Sancho and Sterling. He cannot be compered to any of these players. It is senior ENG team not u21.

I do not see problem with people not liking this because really is mind boggling.

If I support a team that has just Mount and RLC for one position I would be happy to start Mason. All the hate he gets is because of his two managers who pick him over superior players.

Look at last 3 games we played. Spurs he was horrid (RLC against Brighton level), CP did not play at all we won 4:0 and last game again invisible as always when he plays winger. Over CHO and Pulisic had to change his best side?!

Now when Ziyech is back I finally expect to see Mount getting treatment he deserves. Next 6 games before another int. break I can see him starting in Russia and a couple of cameos from the bench and that is it.

If he starts just 3 games of these 6 I would have to question who gave that pro license to Frank.

And can you see Mason doing in 3 or 4 years what Grealish is doing now? I cannot because he does not have that dribbling, leadership skills etc...

3 hours ago, Hutcho said:

The whole thing that is has to be one or the other or a direct comparisons is embarrassing in itself. Grealish should have played for England but instead of kalvin Phillips not instead of mount.

 

If I am England fan I would want to see this: 

              Grealish

       Rice   Henderson

Or:

         Grealish  Maddison

                  Rice

Wingers Sancho and Sterling ofc.

3 hours ago, King Kante said:

The Mount criticism around here is crazy, I truly am unable to comprehend it. However, it should be remembered that half of those doing it are probably the same lot that thought selling KdB for £18m was a good idea due to him having an attitude problem and being lazy. 

Not the same at all. KDB did not play because of Oscar. And btw people compare Oscar to Mount but Oscar at the same age as Mount scored 5 CL goals, two of them against Juventus with Buffon and nutmeg Pirlo. Had 12 goals and 12 assists overall.

Now Mount playing for Chelsea means one of Puli, Hakim or Havertz not playing so it is similar to KDB situation because he is blocking better players. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Amazing player. Should play for much bigger team.

Mount father retweeting this tweet was embarrassing. They are team mates, and Jack never got the chance because he played just 90mins in his career for England. In fact, he is worth Mount, Barkley and 30m at the moment.

Also UTD was stupid not to spend Sancho money on him.

Couldnt disagree more. Grealish is one of the most overrated players in the league. Fancy stuff here and there but no discipline off the pitch. I wish Utd had spent thatmoney on him cos everyone would then see him as the average player he is. There is a reason why he is rotting away his best years at a relegation fodder club. Current purple patch wont change that.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

Weird how people continue to think Grealish will be just as effective at CM/CAM as he is at LW. 

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

16 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Couldnt disagree more. Grealish is one of the most overrated players in the league. Fancy stuff here and there but no discipline off the pitch. I wish Utd had spent thatmoney on him cos everyone would then see him as the average player he is. There is a reason why he is rotting away his best years at a relegation fodder club. Current purple patch wont change that.

Maybe most overrated is a bit harsh. He is good to a standard but at a top team he would be a bit out of his depth, he holds onto the ball too long which Graeme Souness pointed out last season and that does make me wonder if he could go from a Villa to a top 4 team with no sort of club in between to improve at again. Like Souness had pointed out, if your holding onto the ball for too long, can you see the bigger picture? Is he good enough to play these passes to others in better positions which might not happen as much at a Villa but still? Yes he gets a lot of fouls but look at the difference between say an Alexis Sanchez at Arsenal, Luis Suarez at Liverpool or Eden Hazard when he was here getting fouled a lot - they were definitely able to pop it off and play these passes when they could despite being fouled a lot also where as Grealish is probably more just fouled because he tries to do it all himself and doesn't look for the passes into better positions like the better players to. I know those 3 were all world class probably but there's countless of others who will win a lot of fouls but nobody questions them holding onto the ball for too long as they will create opportunities/find others in better positions. I do think he is able to buy fouls to relieve the pressure for his team at times too which is an underrated skill but still think he would be out of his depth at a top 4/6 club. Decision making is usually the difference between the decent players and the top players among playing with pressure. That's why Ross has significantly regressed and while he may still have a decent career and that, will never ever be the player he was when he broke in at Everton.  

Okay Grealish would play with better players but at United he doesn't start. At City no chance. At Liverpool no. Here? No. Spurs? No. An Everton or someone he would maybe be a decent player for but again if you could say at the start of the summer, James Rodriguez on arguably a free - depending how accurate these reports are about it basically being a free are true or not - or for 20m compared to Jack Grealish for 60-80m? Only one winner. Every day of the week. 

United would rather of spent the money on Sancho as well which would sum everything up about him for me, I think if they were willing to sign Dan James from the Championship but not take Grealish from a PL club, it speaks volumes. Not that Dan James is a top player or what not no chance but I think they must have had huge reservations about Grealish for that cash where as Dan James was effectively not expected to do anything and was arguably their best player in the first 4 months of last season.  

24 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Weird how people continue to think Grealish will be just as effective at CM/CAM as he is at LW. 

He is defos a winger. I really don't see him playing centrally to the effect he does out wide. Maybe as a 10 he could do a job eventually but the centre of the pitch is more crowded and he still holds it for too long at times, okay he will beat people, still get fouled and score the odd wonder goal but until he manages to learn to release the ball quicker, he will never hit the next level. There is usually more space out wide, particularly as teams will set up playing deep and narrow. He is more suited out there. He is more likely to be effective isolating a fullback and beating him or coming inside and shooting from the side rather than starting centrally, trying to find space between the lines and playing a key pass or making an assist. 

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

 

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If I support a team that has just Mount and RLC for one position I would be happy to start Mason. All the hate he gets is because of his two managers who pick him over superior players.

If that's what's they believe they should target the "hate" at the managers. I'm frustrated Kante still plays unconditionally whenever fit, but I've never let it seep over into bitterness of the guy himself and my frustrations with that is always targeted at the appropriate person, Frank.

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

First of all, I thought people not rating Mount is small group but in the last couple of days I saw it was trending on Twitter and such a mainstream thing now. After England games.

If Jack is clearly better now why are you not as a England fan upset that Mount starts over him? 

I don't particularly have any great passion for England despite being English, and I only ever watch the games if it's a tournament or one of ours is starting but from a Chelsea perspective I've wanted us to go down the route of two 8s and no not to shoehorn Mount in (if we sign a better/more suited player or Gallagher gazumps him then fine) the reasons are these.

1. I started to really like that system when City played it and got a 100 point title season out of it and I think the extra attacking threat gives you a serious advantage, my like for it grew when Mount/Barkley played it together last year with good results.

2. I do feel Mount's ( likewise Gallaghers) skillset can compliment our other more naturally gifted attackers similar to the way Pedro's did with all the superstars around him at Barcelona (I personally think his similarity to the Spaniard from a tactical use perspective is the reason Lampard preferred Willian as the experienced head in the team compared to Conte/Sarri who liked Pedro more). Pretty much all great teams have a Mount/Pedro type in it. Arsenal's last great team had Ljungberg, Liverpool have Henderson, our Conte title team had Pedro himself, Bayern's treble winning side had Perisic, United had Fletcher. Players to do the hard yards so the superstars can reserve for energy.

3. It opens up space for the likes of Gallagher, Anjorin to break through and also gives RLC an (re)opening to aim for.

4. The pivot (seems to be that or 433 the long term route Frank goes down) is yesterday's formation.

Regarding the question about the level I see him hitting, do I see him say single handedly winning us a title like Hazard did in 2015? No. Can I see him as part of a title winning side similar to how Pedro was? Absolutely and if it he can hit levels like prime Pedro I won't be complaining.

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8 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

 he holds onto the ball too long which Graeme Souness pointed out last season and that does make me wonder if he could go from a Villa to a top 4 team with no sort of club in between to improve at again. Like Souness had pointed out, if your holding onto the ball for too long, can you see the bigger picture? Is he good enough to play these passes to others in better positions which might not happen as much at a Villa but still? 

Did you watched Villa:Liverpool game? He had 3 assists and made two sitters for Ross who missed them. This is 5 clear chances in just one game against best team in the country. Not sure about before but he maybe improved in this area.

It was world class. Why we have to compare him to James? Maybe two best players in the league so far. One is playing RW other LW but both are more AM for me.