🇮🇹 Jorginho

[Puliiszola 519]

27 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Jorginho ‘top of the list’ at Juventus, but Chelsea not giving any discounts — report

Granovskaia don’t play that

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2020/7/23/21334369/jorginho-top-of-the-list-at-juventus-but-chelsea-not-giving-any-discounts-report

Jorginho has started Chelsea’s last four games, including last night’s ridiculous 5-3 defeat at Anfield, but that hasn’t really stemmed the growing tide of exit rumors that began in earnest after he had failed to feature in any of the first five games of Project Restart.

But even as Jorginho remains a divisive figure in the land of Chelsea, in the land of Sarri, he remains top regista. Former Chelsea boss Maurizio Sarri would certainly to reunite with the 28-year-old, but it appears that Chelsea won’t make that too easy.

According to Gazzetta dello Sport (via Sport Witness), Chelsea want to break-even on any potential deal, which means that Juventus would likely have to pay close to the €57m we paid two years ago. Chelsea director Marina Granovskaia has an excellent track record in extracting maximum value from our transfer sale, and there’s no reason to think she couldn’t keep that trend going in this case.

While Sarri apparently keeps insisting that Jorginho is the missing piece at Juventus — who are about to wrap up another Serie A title despite less than scintillating play — Chelsea probably have the upper hand in this negotiation. Unless Juventus cough up the money, Jorginho is likely set to stay.

So, your move then, Juve.

 

Problem is, with Kepa and GK going to cost us, we need to maximize profit on these sales. For eg - jorginho has 30m left on our books, so thats the bare minimum. I mean who in their right minds would want to pay that much for him, forget about more. 

Just a fucking predicament. I think we might pull out of Kai deal if no CL. and simply concentrate on getting a CB, LB, GK.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

The ricochet for third goal was a bit unlucky and not taking Robertson down was naive but felt he didnt play too badly when we had the ball on the front foot and his raking passes out to Alonso and James were a feature throughout that showed the strengths of using this 343 system offensively. The good and bad of Jorginho. Again OTT reactions perhaps but can see the frustration from his role in those 2 goals - 3rd and 5th. Why was he defending front post for that corner? 

[Fernando 6,585]

I think we had the same issue with Fabregas, amazing creativity but if we didn't had cover for him we would go down easily. 

We never properly replaced Matic, and without Kante, Jorginho is the same predicament that was Fabregas back then. 

[Alabama 1,992]

43 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I think we had the same issue with Fabregas, amazing creativity but if we didn't had cover for him we would go down easily. 

We never properly replaced Matic, and without Kante, Jorginho is the same predicament that was Fabregas back then. 

The thing is creativity is nowhere no Cesc level and Cesc seems a bit athletic but with Jorginho he is pointless all he does is play sideway safe passes all day long no invention no boldness no risk taking just safe pedestrian style of play...

[Fernando 6,585]

5 minutes ago, Alabama said:

The thing is creativity is nowhere no Cesc level and Cesc seems a bit athletic but with Jorginho he is pointless all he does is play sideway safe passes all day long no invention no boldness no risk taking just safe pedestrian style of play...

Well I remember when we took out Gilmour and he came in as a sub people was saying why he was all this time in the bench?

So the truth is that we have no one better but him. 

And if he is the best we got then no wonder our team is mediocre. 

 

[Alabama 1,992]

1 minute ago, Fernando said:

Well I remember when we took out Gilmour and he came in as a sub people was saying why he was all this time in the bench?

So the truth is that we have no one better but him. 

And if he is the best we got then no wonder our team is mediocre. 

 

Gilmour will be better than him potential wise cos he seems athletic put his body during challenges has good dribbling ability to at least bypass press and his passing range ability for his age is insane...

We have great mix up of great good fair and shit combination of midfielders...

The midfielder that suppose to be here next hopefully if we are dead serious about becoming a top team should be...

Kovacic...

Kante hopefully he stays fit

Mount 

Gilmour 

RLC together with the potential arrivals of Havertz and maybe Rice...

[NikkiCFC 8,331]

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

 Why was he defending front post for that corner? 

Our positioning for corners has been pathetic all season.

[King Kante 1,643]

5 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Our positioning for corners has been pathetic all season.

Tbf, the manager by the sounds of it just tells them to go out and sort it out between themselves like Cech, JT, Lord Percy, Ash, Ballack, him and Drogba used to do. 

[NikkiCFC 8,331]

23 hours ago, Alabama said:

The thing is creativity is nowhere no Cesc level and Cesc seems a bit athletic but with Jorginho he is pointless all he does is play sideway safe passes all day long no invention no boldness no risk taking just safe pedestrian style of play...

People still do not understand Jorginho role...

See? Most passes into the final 3rd even this season. This is his job. This is why Pep wanted him. He has his flaws of course but there are systems that can hide them.

Henry on Pep philosophy: "For him, winning is a consequence of playing well with the ball on the ground, respecting his plan, staying in position and always keeping possession.

"He puts everything in place to get the ball up to the final third of the pitch and then trusts his team to finish the job in the only area of the field that can’t be planned for."

 

Jorginho job is to move the ball into the final 3rd and than it is none of his business.

This could not work well with our attackers this season but next when we have Pulisic, Werner, Havertz and Ziyech it can be amazing. 

But than again, we have no idea what Frank wants and I am not sure even he knows...

 

[Puliiszola 519]

So "he passes the ball to the player who will pass the ball to the player who assists". 

Hmmmm. Tough job. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

I think it will take for him to play for a Juventus or a City with great players in those attacking areas to actually appreciate him. And before people are gonna tell me Rodri at City does anything better or different then I implore them to actually watch the games because 9 times out of 10 he passes the ball 5-10 yards to either a CB, FB, De Bruyne or David Silva.

He had a tough spell last season and a wee bit of a difficult time in games this season but all in all hes hardly been as bad as the usuals make out. The constant chopping and changing in MF hasnt helped either and when it was Jorgi-Kovacic and Mount we were playing some great stuff but suppose nobody cares to mention that? The fact we have managed to get our wingbacks so far up and involved in the last 2 games as well is partly done to Jorginho playing it to them at almost every possible opportunity he could. 

[Puliiszola 519]

Rudi and someone who is apparently not a good passer of the ball, zouma, played some great cross field balls to Alonso and Reece. 

Both of those players have a better passing range than jorginho.

The standards have fallen so low that making those obvious and easy passes are now being cited as a sign of greatness 😂😂

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

People still do not understand Jorginho role...

See? Most passes into the final 3rd even this season. This is his job. This is why Pep wanted him. He has his flaws of course but there are systems that can hide them.

Henry on Pep philosophy: "For him, winning is a consequence of playing well with the ball on the ground, respecting his plan, staying in position and always keeping possession.

"He puts everything in place to get the ball up to the final third of the pitch and then trusts his team to finish the job in the only area of the field that can’t be planned for."

 

Jorginho job is to move the ball into the final 3rd and than it is none of his business.

This could not work well with our attackers this season but next when we have Pulisic, Werner, Havertz and Ziyech it can be amazing. 

But than again, we have no idea what Frank wants and I am not sure even he knows...

 

If that is everything he does then I prefer Kovacic who is 3rd in final third passed and at least can defend and dribble a bit. Much more complete player

[King Kante 1,643]

5 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I think it will take for him to play for a Juventus or a City with great players in those attacking areas to actually appreciate him. And before people are gonna tell me Rodri at City does anything better or different then I implore them to actually watch the games because 9 times out of 10 he passes the ball 5-10 yards to either a CB, FB, De Bruyne or David Silva.

He had a tough spell last season and a wee bit of a difficult time in games this season but all in all hes hardly been as bad as the usuals make out. The constant chopping and changing in MF hasnt helped either and when it was Jorgi-Kovacic and Mount we were playing some great stuff but suppose nobody cares to mention that? The fact we have managed to get our wingbacks so far up and involved in the last 2 games as well is partly done to Jorginho playing it to them at almost every possible opportunity he could. 

I have always said Jorgi is a final piece of the jigsaw type player rather than one to build your team around. You're right, if he had been playing for City (las season in particular) people would've been having fantasy wa*ks over him as he would've been so integral for them. 

However, a further problem is that he is an idiosyncratic player, in that he needs to play in a team that is obsessed with ball retention. That means we has to play under a Wenger/Pep/Sarri type manager and/or a club like Barca where possession is their No.1 concern. 

My feeling on Jorgi is that; 1) He is a very good player, but 2) He isn't a SFL/Chelsea type player. For this reason, I can see him going if a decent offer comes in but that is due to a stylistic clash and not due to his quality. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

4 hours ago, King Kante said:

I have always said Jorgi is a final piece of the jigsaw type player rather than one to build your team around. You're right, if he had been playing for City (las season in particular) people would've been having fantasy wa*ks over him as he would've been so integral for them. 

However, a further problem is that he is an idiosyncratic player, in that he needs to play in a team that is obsessed with ball retention. That means we has to play under a Wenger/Pep/Sarri type manager and/or a club like Barca where possession is their No.1 concern. 

My feeling on Jorgi is that; 1) He is a very good player, but 2) He isn't a SFL/Chelsea type player. For this reason, I can see him going if a decent offer comes in but that is due to a stylistic clash and not due to his quality. 

Be it here or at City, whoever would have him as holding CM, like the last man infront of their defense will get obliterated by opponents.  

Unless you are Barca or Pep, it makes no sense to play with someone like that at DM spot. It will be great in couple games, but then it just breaks down. And you cant have unreliable player ir system there.

Also because of such unstable system we are ruining players like Kante. He has a very specific role but if you play with the likes of Alonso, Azpi, Jorginho, he is suddenly expected to be creative and stuff. If we had creative fullbacks and proper DM combined with our offensive players, Kante would thrive in such system and so would the team because it would have balance.

[Vesper 30,207]

On 25/07/2020 at 2:44 AM, BlueLyon said:

If we had creative fullbacks and proper DM combined with our offensive players, Kante would thrive in such system and so would the team because it would have balance.

4 4 2 double 6 with Rice and Kante (and eventually Camavinga when Kante ages out or is too injured) on the pivot

a decent keeper (just find one who actually stops shots, doesn't have to be £200m plus Oblak)

Milenkovic and Klostermann at CB

Theo or Telles at LB, Reece or Azpi at RB (eventually Nordi Mukiele if Reece bombs out)

Pulisic and Ziyech on the wings

2 strikers Werner and Havertz

I can but dream

[NikkiCFC 8,331]

People seem disappointed that he will most likely stay. I an not.

He has character so he can easily do Fabregas when Conte was here?

Another example is Dejan Stankovic for Mourinho in Inter. When Jose came he did not want him in the squad and the rest in history.

Also we know that when team performs well Jorginho do the same. With much better attack next season with 3 major signings he can be very important player again.

I would not write him off yet...

 

[communicate 2,703]

15 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

He has character so he can easily do Fabregas when Conte was here?

 

Are you comparing cesc to jorgi? 

There is a reason why cesc Fabregas who is very2 unathletic can play in double pivot for two of the most defensive manager in the world. 

[Puliiszola 519]

1 hour ago, communicate said:

Are you comparing cesc to jorgi? 

There is a reason why cesc Fabregas who is very2 unathletic can play in double pivot for two of the most defensive manager in the world. 

Also jorginho has like 1/100th the creativity, vision and passing that cesc did. 

Man, I just hope there is a miracle and this guy leaves. Don't want to see him in Chelsea blue again.

[SUNZ 155]

Anybody who watched the 8-2 game last night and still believes a player like Jorginho should have a future here is nothing more than a trolll. He has zero athleticism, snail pace and can't play through a press. He is a complete charlatan who belongs in the backwards Serie A.