The Sarri Thread

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7 hours ago, Mana said:

Here we go again with another Pep v. Sarri first season comparison that don’t make sense.

It is no different than like a Pep v. Emery first season comparison.

The difference is that Emery sets up his teams with the opponents team in mind. Pep and Sarri set up their way regardless of what the opponent does, everyone has to react to them and not the other way around (the exception being Liverpool away for City when they were far more defensive). An Emery comparison would make far less sense than the other two.

You can exclude the managers anyway, that wasn't the basis of what was trying to be said & in no way an attempt to push our failings under the rug.  It was more a look at City's on pitch problems compared to ours and how similar they were at this stage.

 

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12 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

The players have allegedly been complaining theres too much.

Apparently, according to reports, Sarri insists that the players have a training session on match day, even though the players have questioned it.

To me, they should be jumping through hoops for the fortunes they’re earning, and be grateful for every bit of it

I honestly think we hire the wrong manager. . Maybe rather than go to extreme like Sarri or Pep type. We should have hired maybe a pellegrini type first. Then we bring Sarri. 

 

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Sarri: “The situation in England is very clear. There are three teams above the others. In one, the coach arrived five years ago, in another four years ago, and in the other three years ago. English football is in the hands of these teams. They had a plan and were really patient. So we need to change mentality and go on. The situation for me is really clear.”

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One thing I am glad is there are few fans who still support Sarri. Albeit in the minority.

I really hope we don't sack Sarri. I have been waiting for years for us to hire attacking coach, now we have one and imo a really good one. We need to give him opportunity to change our team. I will give him at least 2 seasons. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Paul Allen is dead.

Ratcliffe or Bezos for me.

LOL Fucks my idea up then eh!!i

Someone similar then thats got history of handling large clubs and not just doing it for a hobby.

Tho I'm sure Roman does/did really enjoy supporting us too. You don't get as excited as he got at games unless its in your heart too.nt

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3 minutes ago, Mana said:

 

The manager that can be compared better to Pep is Klopp (and Pep even then has the unfair advantage here due to having a full pre-season with City).

 

In term of what? 

Klopp and Pep. 

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Mourinho has gone and now manu playing like a top 3 team... 

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If we are to compare anything it is the situations of these managers and not their playing style. Two have had at least five or six full transfer windows to rebuild and were given big funds, whereas the other is being crucified after half a season and one outfield player to suit his tactics. Now two, with Higuain. What is funny is that Klopp could end his fourth season there trophyless and would probably still be backed by the fans. 

Things must change drastically at the end of the season and frankly I'd rather we stick to Sarri and rebuild around Jorginho and Higuain, players that would fight for the manager, rather than keep the current underperforming/unhappy ones. 

Time to move on from Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Cahill, Luiz and others that have a (toxic) influence in the locker room. If it was me in charge I'd shift Azpilicueta, too, at the very first offer. No need for Kovacic also so give the funds to Sarri and let him rebuild with players he trusts. 

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4 minutes ago, Mana said:

Well, obviously let's not deeply look in to Klopp's 1st season because the disadvantage he had (took over when Pool were 10th)...but even when he finished 8th, he did absolutely well against bigger teams.

But what I mean here is the overall comparison:

- Both play attacking football (not just possession-based football Sarriball is doing atm)
- Both won titles with their prior clubs
- Not stubborn, willing to rotate

Now I would like to add more, but it depends how this season turns out.

Klopp not stubborn? The guy that gave Lovren, Mingolet and Henderson years worth of second chances and didn't adress defensive weaknesses until his 5th transfer window?Also he doesn't really have a plan B either and stuck to his brand of football religiously even when results weren't going well, the key difference this season compared to the last three is he now has the squad to pull it off consistently.

The reason the Sarri, Klopp and Pep comparisons are made is because it's believed that like those two Sarri is being a lot held back by unsuitable players for their brand of football, Napoli fans on Reddit are convinced thats the main cause and they are the best placed to judge. Now no one's saying he will definitely hit the same trajectory going forward but the early day comparison's are valid.

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19 minutes ago, Mana said:

And LOL, you honestly think Sarri will give up on Willian?

You mean the Willian that's he benches a significant amount of time when he plays a striker and Pedro is fit?

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Funny how Maurizio is using Kloop and Pochettino as epitome of managers of successful clubs yet they are combined 8 years in England without trophy and he can win hes first in a couple of weeks after just six months here and probably will win something this season. 

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8 minutes ago, Tomo said:

You mean the Willian that's he benches a significant amount of time when he plays a striker and Pedro is fit?

Really? Pedro missed 4 league games this season while Willian missed 1 and the latter has played 1,542 minutes compared to the former's 1,165.

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2 minutes ago, Mana said:

He still uses Henderson now. Southgate also uses him. 

Mignolet is an average keeper, just like Kepa. If Courtois wasn't around, he'll be Belgium's #1.

Lovren, I'll give you.

We fecking have Jorginho, the engine of Sarriball. He has been average so far, it's not like he is doing wonders. No assists in over 2,000+ minutes for the club, 1 goal so far.

Don't just use the Bournemouth game as an example. Because I can come back with the Spuds away, Everton home league games (I can go on but you know).

 

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Really? Pedro missed 4 league games this season while Willian missed 1 and the latter has played 1,542 minutes compared to the former's 1,165.

When all 3 players have been available and Sarri has picked a striker.

Huddersfield away and Arsenal home Hazard was on the bench due to not yet being fully fit and Willian not Pedro made way when Eden came on.

Newcastle away Hazard and Pedro

Bournemouth at home Hazard and Willian

United at home Hazard and Willian but was Pedro's first game back after injury

Palace at home Hazard was on the bench again as not fully fit, Willian was, like the first two games, the one to make way.

Everton home Hazard and Willian

Spurs away Hazard and Willian

Fulham at home Hazard and Pedro

Wolves away Hazard and Willian (but it was a rotated team where even Jorginho was rested)

Spurs at home Hazard and Pedro

Bournemouth away Hazard and Pedro

Ok maybe Willian got the nod more than i realized but he's still been benched more times than an average "managers golden child"

At absolute most Willian is an equal to Pedro and the myth Willian is an untouchable starter is just that. Unless Pedro has a long layoff or Higuain bombs so badly we have to go back to false 9 i'm sure he will be on the bench as much, if not more often than he starts.

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

He still uses Henderson now. Southgate also uses him. 

Mignolet is an average keeper, just like Kepa. If Courtois wasn't around, he'll be Belgium's #1.

Lovren, I'll give you.

We fecking have Jorginho, the engine of Sarriball. He has been average so far, it's not like he is doing wonders. No assists in over 2,000+ minutes for the club, 1 goal so far. But I agree, it doesn't takeaway the fact we have poor players that constantly playing.

Kepa is a quality all round keeper, if he wasn't the media would be killing him.

As for Jorginho, the Napoli fans on this link explain the situation with him better than i can.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sscnapoli/comments/ahqt5a/questions_about_sarri_and_jorginho/#ampf=undefined

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8 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

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Lol....

Somebody please tell Sarri he might not have all the time to play his football before alonso willian and jorginho send him through the exit door...

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26 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Funny how Maurizio is using Kloop and Pochettino as epitome of managers of successful clubs yet they are combined 8 years in England without trophy and he can win hes first in a couple of weeks after just six months here and probably will win something this season. 

People like to compare Sarri with Guardiola or Klopp so much...if anything, Sarri is heading down the same route as Van Gaal at Man United.

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

People like to compare Sarri with Guardiola or Klopp so much...if anything, Sarri is heading down the same route as Van Gaal at Man United.

Van Gaal actually had a relatively positive first season at United and it looked like he would do good, it was the second season things went South.

If Sarri has a similar second season then fair enough, no arguments, he goes.

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We might have to get rid of two of our best players (Hazard and Kante) in order to make Sarriball work.

Hazard hogs the ball, isn't as creative as Iniesta or as direct as proper winger. He isn't very good at pressing the teams so does he really have a future in this system? I hope he does but I am a little sceptical. What I don't like about Hazard is that he's not a leader, not a superstar like Ronaldo that will whip his team after a defeat. Hazard is better when he plays alongside other great players that take some of the spotlight away from him but as a lone superstar we are expecting too much from him. And let's not even mention the never-ending love affair between him and Real Madrid. It might be the right time to let him go 

Kante is amazing player and a person but there's no role for him in this system and especially in games where we have more than 60% of the ball. Playing him in that role will always feel like a compromise – I don't feel like I'm watching a midfield that's balanced enough to win trophies. He's been good and has improved over the season but he's still far from being a great player in that position. I think we need a more creative, stronger and meaner player in that position that can score 15 goals a season.

Finally I do have to mention Jorginho. Yeah he's good at making that first transition (we're better at playing from the back than ever before) but is he really necessary when we've got defenders with the abilities to move the ball quickly and accurately. He's awfully limited player and we would really have to build a whole new midfield around his deficiencies which isn't generally how great teams are formed. He won't ever be as good as Busquets so even if we had prime Iniesta and Xavi in midfield would we be able to compete at the highest level?

I'm still with Sarri and I hope the board are too. However, it's a long road ahead of us and with plenty of personnel changes. How many here would be willing to sacrifice Kante and Hazard and rebuild the team for Sarriball? By selling those to we would get enough money to "start over" but do we really trust the board to invest that money wisely? Selling our two best players and buying a full dozen of Drinkayokos would be the stuff nightmares are made of.

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Just now, Tomo said:

Van Gaal actually had a relatively positive first season at United and it looked like he would do good, it was the second season things went South.

The results were mixed at best, just like us right now, and there were plenty of complaints of his dull football back then, again like us right now.

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22 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

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As someone rightly said to me on Twitter, if his main football is working well, why would he change? Why would he change from Plan A to B if the former is working?

Sarri was asked about having Plan B and he clearly answered it with something else.