Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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4 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I still back Sarri. 

Give him till next season, we gave him two years contact. 

Let the man do his work! 

The biggest argument for Sarri is he doesn’t have the players to play his style, but my concern is if he has the authority to make hard decisions on this squad. If he is going to be successful playing his style, then big changes are necessary. Worst outcome would be to persist with the same players, and try to force them into his style. I currently see him doing the latter. 

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44 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Exactly. There were people here banging on about defensive stability, now we've let 4 in you don't hear them anymore. Less and less arguments with every game, until they are left with none.

Sarri also has no authority, because we've got players in this team who have done more in football world than he has. He's basically a nobody to them and the inability to impose himself as a leader is evident. Zola has far more impact on the players than he has. The comparisons with Guardiola and Klopp are laughable, you lads should check again what Klopp did with Dortmund before coming to England.

We've now gone full circle with all these managers, coaches, tacticians, philosophers.. I really do think we should hire someone who is one of us, has connections at the club, brings some peace and authority and is respected by everyone at Chelsea. We need this along with hiring football men in the board and getting rid with the deadwood we have in this team. A lot of these players lack quality, its not that they don't try. Fresh start in every department. 

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7 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Klopp got rid of (Mignolet, Karius, Clyne, Sahko, Klavan, Moreno, Lallana, Sturridge, Origi) all out of his starting lineup and got (Alisson, Vandjyk, Matip, Robertson, Keita, Fabinho, Shaqiri, Salah,) in 3 years before his ATTACKING football started to work.

Pep got rid of (Hart, Bravo, Zabaleta, Sagna, Mangala, Kolarov, Clichy, Yaya, Navas, Nasri, Iheanacho, Bony) all out of his starting lineup and got (Ederson, Danilo, Kylewalker, Stones, Laporte, Mendy, Gundogan, Mahrez, Sane, Jesus etc) in 1+ years before his ATTACKING football started to work.

In Sarri we finally found an attacking manager with a philosophy and these players want to use player power and pull a fast one, after complaining about Conte's defensive tactics and ruining our season. They're not getting away with it this time, we die here.....

So people are basically asking the club to give Sarri time in HOPE that he will turn out to be like Klopp or Guardiola? Is that really a convincing argument when Sarri has displayed some of the worst qualities for a manager to have at the highest level? What if Sarri is basically another Van Gaal? Furthermore, do you really think our club will back Sarri like how City and Liverpool have backed Guardiola and Klopp? If they are really behind Sarri, they would have signed a midfielder as backup to Jorginho.

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On that video posted of  Napoli's play. I agree with points already made about movement of the ball. Obviously crucial. However, just as bad (if not worse) is our cowardly choices on the ball. Watch that ball into Hamsik's feet before he lays the ball back. It's in a space surrounded by Juve players. It's a risky ball and you need trust that he can do something once he gets it. Then the return pass to Hamsik is under pressure, quick and again not an easy pass. 

In other words, they took more RISK than the first few passes in the video. Risk takes courage and trust. But our players lack that completely. Higuain will make good runs all day long. Nobody is even looking for them, and if they do will they risk losing possession or play the more shit cycle ball? Kante and Kovacic won't. They are looking to just keep the move moving. Barkley is worse most times. They more scared of losing the ball. 

Watch the recent match. Any pressure and the ball is sent back to the cbs. ANY pressure. It's ridiculous. If they play more forward passes under pressure, then movement will become obvious. The player pressing you HAS JUST LEFT SOME SPACE. Two or three forwarding passes under pressure and suddenly the pitch opens up. 

TL;DR

all cms, fullbacks and even our wingers shit their pants when slightly pressed attempt not even somewhat difficult passes under pressure. 

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9 minutes ago, Jason said:

So people are basically asking the club to give Sarri time in HOPE that he will turn out to be like Klopp or Guardiola? Is that really a convincing argument when Sarri has displayed some of the worst qualities for a manager to have at the highest level? What if Sarri is basically another Van Gaal? Furthermore, do you really think our club will back Sarri like how City and Liverpool have backed Guardiola and Klopp? If they are really behind Sarri, they would have signed a midfielder as backup to Jorginho.

how would the club back him with midfielder they know Sarri will not play ahead of his pet Jorginho despite the fact that Jorginho keeps struggling presently...

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Just now, eemanyooel said:

how would the club back him with midfielder they know Sarri will not play ahead of his pet Jorginho despite the fact that Jorginho keeps struggling presently...

Then there lies another issue with Sarri, isn't it? 

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15 minutes ago, Jason said:

So people are basically asking the club to give Sarri time in HOPE that he will turn out to be like Klopp or Guardiola? Is that really a convincing argument when Sarri has displayed some of the worst qualities for a manager to have at the highest level? What if Sarri is basically another Van Gaal? Furthermore, do you really think our club will back Sarri like how City and Liverpool have backed Guardiola and Klopp? If they are really behind Sarri, they would have signed a midfielder as backup to Jorginho.

So has Klopp and so has Pep. Lack of rotations are one of their biggest faults. Klopp ran 7 or 8 BVB players into the ground in his final 2 seasons. Same with Pep at Bayern but he blamed fitness coaches and doctors. If we had either of those 2 and this happened it would still be the same. Players need to get on with it, show a bit of effort and toughen up. Also Pep refuses to let Foden leave on loan but wants to keep him because hes a young player with huge talent... sound familiar? Pep also stuck with Bravo in goals when he first arrived despite costing them matches/playing poorly. Again. Similar. All coaches have limitations but Pep is in his 3rd season at City with a squad stockpiled with brilliant players after people said his style and his arrogance in believing it would cost him success.... Klopp has built the best Liverpool 11 in god knows how long because he has time and they bought into his methods. Even more ironic if we sacked Sarri who would we get next? The list of good managers we havent appointed who would potentially be interested gets smaller every few seasons. 

 

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Just now, Jason said:

Then there lies another issue with Sarri, isn't it? 

obviously...reports coming out that the way he keeps isolating CHO is sending negative mesage to senior club officials especially this CHO contract saga and Bayern interest in him...

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

So has Klopp and so has Pep. Lack of rotations are one of their biggest faults. Klopp ran 7 or 8 BVB players into the ground in his final 2 seasons. Same with Pep at Bayern but he blamed fitness coaches and doctors. If we had either of those 2 and this happened it would still be the same. Players need to get on with it, show a bit of effort and toughen up. Also Pep refuses to let Foden leave on loan but wants to keep him because hes a young player with huge talent... sound familiar? Pep also stuck with Bravo in goals when he first arrived despite costing them matches/playing poorly. Again. Similar.

Yeah but they adapted, eventually. Our problems are clear and obvious but is Sarri doing anything? Nope. No tactical tweaks, no switch of formation, no nothing!

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

All coaches have limitations but Pep is in his 3rd season at City with a squad stockpiled with brilliant players after people said his style and his arrogance in believing it would cost him success.... Klopp has built the best Liverpool 11 in god knows how long because he has time and they bought into his methods. Even more ironic if we sacked Sarri who would we get next? The list of good managers we havent appointed who would potentially be interested gets smaller every few seasons. 

Again, you are confusing the criticism of Sarri with his style. Have no issues about with his style, but rather how he's going about it to implement that style!

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The best way is to keep Sarri for another two seasons. 

That way the players will either adopt to his style, get rid of lazy attitude and shit mentality or they will fuck off to another club and they can be lazy there.

Either way we wont have players that dont give a shit anymore and think they are bigger than club.

 

Also shoutout to all the negative posters here who want changes, improvement etc but the same moment something goes wrong, you scream sack this one, sell that one...Klopp had his shit time at pool but they kept him and now look their results. It should be a nice example to all that Sarri can turn this around if the players are willing to give 100% too. Trust the process.

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1 minute ago, BlueLyon said:

The best way is to keep Sarri for another two seasons. 

That way the players will either adopt to his style, get rid of lazy attitude and shit mentality or they will fuck off to another club and they can be lazy there.

Either way we wont have players that dont give a shit anymore and think they are bigger than club.

Another one with keeping Sarri for the sake of keeping him. Lovely. Better pray that he doesn't get himself sack first!

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Another one with keeping Sarri for the sake of keeping him. Lovely. Better pray that he doesn't get himself sack first!

Maybe Im tired of constant manager changes and no damn consistency. 

We repeat same shit every 2,3 years and hope for different results. Except our real level goes dawn each season despite couple fluke titles in between.

Tbh I dont even care if its Sarri, Conte or Michael Jordan. Make a longterm plan, get capable manager that suits that plan, support him and keep him for 3 or so years. We made that decision in summer and that was Sarri. 

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1 minute ago, BlueLyon said:

Maybe Im tired of constant manager changes and no damn consistency. 

We repeat same shit every 2,3 years and hope for different results. Except our real level goes dawn each season despite couple fluke titles in between.

Tbh I dont even care if its Sarri, Conte or Michael Jordan. Make a longterm plan, get capable manager that suits that plan, support him and keep him for 3 or so years. We made that decision in summer and that was Sarri. 

I definitely agree with you that we need a long term plan (we need a Director of Football!) but right now, I don't think we have one. It's all fine saying we need to keep Sarri but he's going to get himself sacked if he continues to make boneheaded decisions and the results continue to be mixed. The club may have signed up for his football style but not his ridiculously stubborn ways of doing things.

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Maurizio Sarri’s job is safe but ball-hogging tedium at Chelsea cannot go on

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

So people are basically asking the club to give Sarri time in HOPE that he will turn out to be like Klopp or Guardiola? Is that really a convincing argument when Sarri has displayed some of the worst qualities for a manager to have at the highest level? What if Sarri is basically another Van Gaal? Furthermore, do you really think our club will back Sarri like how City and Liverpool have backed Guardiola and Klopp? If they are really behind Sarri, they would have signed a midfielder as backup to Jorginho.

You would be totally right if this was an unknown manager trying things for the first time to see if it works or not. But this guy has made Napoli play some great football with no superstars in his team. It is why Chelsea hired him and the hope is not that we would like him to turn out to be like Klopp or Pep, but to replicate the football Napoli played. 

Was Napoli that boring as this Chelsea? Never. Were they clueless in the final third? No way. I am saying it again - Napoli never played like Chelsea play these days, that team was different in all aspects. 

And you would expect Sarri to bring the same methods he used there and I am 100% he did that, but why it is not working? It's either because the players are not good enough or simply don't want to pick up his methods, I guess Hazard would rather dribble past 10 players and cut inside just to pass it to Azpilicueta, or Willian would take 100 touches before doing something stupid like he does all the time. Our wingers no matter who plays there simply take stupid decisions instead of doing the exact same things Insigne, Callejon, Mertens used to do. 

Of course you are going to have tons of possession if all three midfielders are happy to just pass the ball and your wingers don't shoot, or run in behind, or try some quick one twos. Nobody in this team takes any risks, of course everything is boring as fuck. Does Sarri instruct them to? Not in a million years, I don't believe this for a moment. 

 

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1 minute ago, petre.ispirescu said:

You would be totally right if this was an unknown manager trying things for the first time to see if it works or not. But this guy has made Napoli play some great football with no superstars in his team. It is why Chelsea hired him and the hope is not that we would like him to turn out to be like Klopp or Pep, but to replicate the football Napoli played. 

I'm not the one who's been endlessly making comparisons between Sarri's situation with Klopp's or Guardiola's. The club may have hired him for his style but don't think they did for his ridiculously stubborn ways of doing things.

5 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Was Napoli that boring as this Chelsea? Never. Were they clueless in the final third? No way. I am saying it again - Napoli never played like Chelsea play these days, that team was different in all aspects. 

And you would expect Sarri to bring the same methods he used there and I am 100% he did that, but why it is not working? It's either because the players are not good enough or simply don't want to pick up his methods, I guess Hazard would rather dribble past 10 players and cut inside just to pass it to Azpilicueta, or Willian would take 100 touches before doing something stupid like he does all the time. Our wingers no matter who plays there simply take stupid decisions instead of doing the exact same things Insigne, Callejon, Mertens used to do. 

Of course you are going to have tons of possession if all three midfielders are happy to just pass the ball and your wingers don't shoot, or run in behind, or try some quick one twos. Nobody in this team takes any risks, of course everything is boring as fuck. Does Sarri instruct them to? Not in a million years, I don't believe this for a moment. 

I don't know whether you genuinely believe in Sarri or just want to for the sake of it and hope that he will turn out great. I can easily point out that Van Gaal created great teams in the past but when he went to Man United, he looked out of his depth. The football was dull, he was stubborn, clueless and eventually, he got the sack. And that's a manager who has won tons of trophies in his career while Sarri hasn't and only has 1-2 good seasons at ONE club to show for it. Also, this continuous bashing of the squad is getting ridiculous with each passing day. Sure, I agree that the overall isn't great but the players aren't complete idiots or do not lack zero quality. They wouldn't have won some of the biggest trophies in football if they are rubbish. Sarri has been here for 6-7 months and if he can't get the players to, at the very least, do some of the things that he wants them to, then maybe he should be questioned more than anyone else on whether he is getting his message across correctly. Judging by the some of the comments here, you would think Sarri's football is from outer space or something and that the players need an Albert Einstein-esque brain to learn it! Moreover, you and others keep on pointing the finger at the players that they can't do this and that in Sarri's system, doesn't that highlight Sarri's own incapability of adapting to his players? We all can see that things aren't working the way Sarri wants them to. So, why is he imposing his approach on them? Why does he not make subtle tweaks here and there to his football style to get the best out of what he's got at the moment? There is more than one way of playing good, attacking football but with Sarri, he seems to know only one way of executing his style. Unless he learns to be flexible/adaptable, his stubbornness will be his downfall at the club.

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11 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

The way he apologized to the fan who confronted him.......I dont think he will be here too much longer. I dont think he has the mentality to deal with this.

It was a breath of fresh air. He took the burden on his shoudlers and represented the donkies he is trying to coach. That takes a real man. It is just a shame our selfish players don't recognise this.

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Who the fuck is going to want this job after Sarri?

Only Lampard can get away with following and losing more thaa handful of games.

The state of this club is leaving me feeling depressed. It really is.