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Today has clearly showed the bar which Chelsea must work towards reaching. At this moment we are pretty far away but the overreaction today on this forum is incredible. Sarri has been at the club

The decline in performances is a lot down to one thing, The lack of training pitch time. He is coming in, trying to teach the squad a totally different brand of football to what the players are a

I'm telling you now, to all the SarriOut supporters.... you don't know how lucky we are to have a humble manager like Sarri... a man with principle, passion, an expansive free flowing footballing phil

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3 hours ago, Jason said:

The manager is stubborn to adapt and that's the player's fault. Of course!

I'm sure you can easily find comments from managers that they still highly regard Mourinho. But does that really mean much?

Has anyone considered that maybe Sarri's and methods just do not work in England? Has anyone considered maybe this job is just too big for someone like Sarri, who let's face it, only has decent success at ONE club for 1-2 seasons. Have seen plenty of people who want Sarri to stay but have not seen a convincing argument on why he should stay based on what he is doing THIS season. All the arguments have just been (a) look at Guardiola/Klopp's first season and look where they are now, (b) he needs time, his own players or basically, (c) it's the players' fault or (d) backing the manager for the sake of it. Sarri has shown that he incapable of adapting, be flexible etc and those were some of the things we criticized Mourinho, Conte for in the past and some even wanted them out because of that. So, why is Sarri getting the free pass now? No manager will succeed at the highest level if he's stubborn and can't adapt.

For the love of god Ryan, I'm not asking Sarri to change his style but rather how he's going about in implementing it! Are you really telling me that you're happy with Sarri just rolling out the 4-3-3, same like-for-like players, making no tactical alterations, no Plan B?! Even some of the poorer sides in the league are finding it easy to play against us! Klopp and Guardiola have their style but unlike Sarri, they aren't averse to making changes, to tweaking things! Am all for the manager to stay long term but in Sarri's case, he is showing that he's a one trick pony and he's going to get himself sacked if he continues to be that, regardless of his style.  

And oh, Klopp and Guardiola hardly rotate that often? There's a game like every 3-4 days in England, you can't say that they do not rotate often. Plus, have seen people go nuts over their Fantasy Premier League team every week because of Guardiola's constant rotation.

Perhaps but hes said that he will only make adjustments from 433 when the players understand his philosophy. If that is how he plans on inplementing it and how he has done throughout his career so we should let him. If he wants to change after he can. The players aren't helping him. I agree like for like subs dont help sometimes but Conte more or less did the same. Its a matter of perspective, Klopps Liverpool play 433 every week and have done for over 2 seasons now, theyve fully bought into his methods and most of the time plan A is always effective. If our attacking play was better then we could say Sarris style is working but theres no point in asking him to change his methods because that is how he operates, similarly to many other managers who often play one style, just because its not successful at the moment doesnt mean he should start from scratch. I think anybody who expected top 4 to be easy after last season with a manager who needs time to deliver his ideas to a squad who have almost exclusively played counter attacking football was odd. The players also arent doing enough.

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47 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Perhaps but hes said that he will only make adjustments from 433 when the players understand his philosophy. If that is how he plans on inplementing it and how he has done throughout his career so we should let him. If he wants to change after he can. The players aren't helping him. I agree like for like subs dont help sometimes but Conte more or less did the same. Its a matter of perspective, Klopps Liverpool play 433 every week and have done for over 2 seasons now, theyve fully bought into his methods and most of the time plan A is always effective. If our attacking play was better then we could say Sarris style is working but theres no point in asking him to change his methods because that is how he operates, similarly to many other managers who often play one style, just because its not successful at the moment doesnt mean he should start from scratch. I think anybody who expected top 4 to be easy after last season with a manager who needs time to deliver his ideas to a squad who have almost exclusively played counter attacking football was odd. The players also arent doing enough.

That's not very convincing, is it? We can see that there are problems with Sarri's setup but oh, because that's the way he is and has done, let's just keep doing the same thing! That's a real recipe for disaster. It's real curious that more successful managers got criticized and partly binned because they were stubborn, not flexible etc but Sarri is getting all the free pass because of the fixation with his football. Maybe his style, his way of doing things just aren't suited in England like Van Gaal at United or even AVB here. And Klopp plays 4-3-3 every week? He has also played 4-2-3-1 and on rare occasions, 4-4-1-1 and 4-4-2!

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19 minutes ago, Jason said:

That's not very convincing, is it? We can see that there are problems with Sarri's setup but oh, because that's the way he is and has done, let's just keep doing the same thing! That's a real recipe for disaster. It's real curious that more successful managers got criticized and partly binned because they were stubborn, not flexible etc but Sarri is getting all the free pass because of the fixation with his football. Maybe his style, his way of doing things just aren't suited in England like Van Gaal at United or even AVB here. Klopp plays 4-3-3 every week? He has also played 4-2-3-1 and on rare occasions, 4-4-1-1 and 4-4-2!

In all fairness as well, the formation wont make a huge difference. 4231 just means youve got a pure 10 and not playing with a 6 as opposed to 433 with a 6 and two 8s. Its still not going to make Willian, Hazard, Kovacic/Barkley do more offensively is it? Kante will still push up and Jorginho will still dictate the play. The players in attack will still stand still and we would still be exposed when we lose the ball becasze everyone will be higher up. 4231 basically becomes a 433 because Kante and Jorginho both dont need to be deeper to move the ball out when we have it. Was the same when when had Ramires playing in a double pivot. He just pushed up and it was effectively 433. The 10 would drop in as a more advanced CM without the ball...

The issue with our play is with the ball in the final third (if your going to use David Luiz and Emerson in your back 4 you should 100% expect to concede big chances/goals imo) , its more patterns of play than the formation. We always come inside, always into overcrowded central areas. Theres no selfless movement off the ball. No overloads in wider areas. Everyone wants to dribble or take too many touches instead of 1 or 2 touch combination plays.

Sarris Napoli were exceptional at one and two touch passing, the formation doesnt neccessarily matter because regardless of where Hazard, Willian, Kovacic/Barkley play they will dribble when they could pass or take too many touches... I mean Sarri said we haven't even learned the basics and hes right, in the final third we are slow because players dont look to play quickly or change it up. Napoli were hard to play against because they played at such a tempo and were unpredictable in attack, they could get at you from wide areas, come inside, they were inventive in the final third. Defensively they would be narrow and let teams try to attack them through the wings because at CB theh had 2 strong defenders in the air and a goalkeeper who was comfortable at coming for higher crosses.

 

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6 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

In all fairness as well, the formation wont make a huge difference. 4231 just means youve got a pure 10 and not playing with a 6 as opposed to 433 with a 6 and two 8s. Its still not going to make Willian, Hazard, Kovacic/Barkley do more offensively is it? Kante will still push up and Jorginho will still dictate the play. The players in attack will still stand still and we would still be exposed when we lose the ball becauze everyone will be higher up. 4231 basically becomes a 433 because Kante and Jorginho both dont need to be deeper to screen when we have the ball. Was the same when when had Ramires playing in a double pivot. He just pushed up and it was effectively 433. The 10 would drop in as a more advanced CM without the ball...

Sarri mentioned recently that he does have 4-2-3-1 in his mind and since 4-3-3 isn't working, why not try the former? 

And no, 4-2-3-1 may well give the team a better balance because you have two fellas screening the defence and gives the full backs a better platform to go forward. You saw the game on Wednesday? Only 3 players stayed back while everyone was caught high up the pitch when Bournemouth broke. Kante can't or won't be getting forward as much because otherwise, we'll just end up with another Matic-Fabregas situation.

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2 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

No Odoi again, this bloke is beginning to fucking piss me right off.

What was the point in keeping him if just going to be on the bench?! We're oretty shit anyway so nothing to lose by playing him. So there's no excuse. 

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1 minute ago, Laylabelle said:

What was the point in keeping him if just going to be on the bench?! We're oretty shit anyway so nothing to lose by playing him. So there's no excuse. 

Clubs a joke, preach in every press conference about how good he is, last two games been sat on his fucking arse.

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Just now, Special Juan said:

No Odoi again, this bloke is beginning to fucking piss me right off.

It's kinda ironic, isn't it? The board got Sarri in to change our style moving forward but the manager himself isn't quite in-tuned with the board's long term plan on the players.

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Just now, Jason said:

Sarri mentioned recently that he does have 4-2-3-1 in his mind and since 4-3-3 isn't working, why not try the former? 

And no, 4-2-3-1 may well give the team a better balance because you have two fellas screening the defence and gives the full backs a better platform to go forward. You saw the game on Wednesday? Only 3 players stayed back while everyone was caught high up the pitch when Bournemouth broke. Kante can't or won't be getting forward as much because otherwise, we'll just end up with another Matic-Fabregas situation.

But again with 4231, your going to lose movement off the ball which Kante provides. Its not a huge difference, two screens yes but Luiz at CB and Alonso or Emerson at LB is still pretty suspect. Plus Sarris attacking instincts Kante will still be asked to push up and make options because he cannot affect a game from a deeper position in an offensive way. It will be interesting to see if he would change it but I wouldn't expect anything hugely different. Fullbacks maybe have more cover yes but again, will it affect our attacking play? Defensively weve been poor recently too and I get thst but Sarri is a purist, he would rather win 5-4 playing in that way than grind out a 1-0. The Man City game was maybe an exception at times but they pressed us so well.

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2 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Clubs a joke, preach in every press conference about how good he is, last two games been sat on his fucking arse.

He played well when he does get a chance as well! 

This month.. FA Cup round.. Europa round and Carling Cup final... Be nice if we can end it well. Not out of everything and in 6th. Huge games coming up everywhere 

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Just now, Jason said:

It's kinda ironic, isn't it? The board got Sarri in to change our style moving forward but the manager himself isn't quite in-tuned with the board's long term plan on the players.

The whole structure of the club is fucked from top to bottom.

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

But again with 4231, your going to lose movement off the ball which Kante provides. Its not a huge difference, two screens yes but Luiz at CB and Alonso or Emerson at LB is still pretty suspect. Plus Sarris attacking instincts Kante will still be asked to push up and make options because he cannot affect a game from a deeper position in an offensive way. It will be interesting to see if he would change it but I wouldn't expect anything hugely different. Fullbacks maybe have more cover yes but again, will it affect our attacking play? Defensively weve been poor recently too and I get thst but Sarri is a purist, he would rather win 5-4 playing in that way than grind out a 1-0. The Man City game was maybe an exception at times but they pressed us so well.

If Kante is still gonna push forward in a 4-2-3-1, then why even bother playing that? If Sarri can't make tactical alterations, can't make players work in a system - which is already proving to be the case - then he definitely won't be here for long. Digging his own grave. 

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25 minutes ago, Jason said:

If Kante is still gonna push forward in a 4-2-3-1, then why even bother playing that? If Sarri can't make tactical alterations, can't make players work in a system - which is already proving to be the case - then he definitely won't be here for long. Digging his own grave. 

Exactly. Sarri has clearly challenged Kante to be much more adventourous this season, to have more involvements offensively as well as recover the ball higher up the pitch, like the rest of the team. He still offers everything else, I dont buy this he is a DM only because hes never actually played as one here bar 4 games under Conte before he went to 343 and didnt at Leicester. His best games have always been in a MF 2 or MF 3. Kante and Jorginho are nailed on to start most matches regardless of form because Kante is a world class player and Jorginho is essential to how we play , its the LCM position that is a huge issue and even if we played with a 10 still Barkley is the most natural fit for that role and is infuriating at times along with the lack movement infront off him. Jorginhos struggle isnt just completely down to him, he is man marked most matches and the other MF players dont take the responsibility to take the baton and demand the ball as he does. Even when he gets time where are the options he had at Napoli for instance? Everyones coming short, nobody is willing to move off the ball to create the opportunity for a longer pass. Nobody making selfless runs like Callejon or Hamsik would or a regular basis. Fair enough hes also had poor games but he is a key component and I would hate to see how good he would be for City because they have a bit of everything, quick combination play, plenty of MF players who are willing to take responsibility, wide players who make excellent movements without the ball.

Sarri could play 2 strikers when we are chasing a game yes but we need plan A tp be effective if he is to have any future here. If it means being stubborn and having to build the squad again then so be it. When you appoint a guy like Sarri or a Pep or a whoever who are one method managers who play their way or nothing then you have to buy into it.

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11 minutes ago, communicate said:

Even after 5-0 win I am not happy. Our pressing was really good in the 1st half but we expose our back line too much. Against a better team we will concede on the break. 

He's happy with that apparently...

 

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

He's happy with that apparently...

 

It is crazy if he said he is not happy after winning 5-0 but what he said is true. Our pressing was fantastic in the first 30 minutes. Our defense I thought was also quite good but we make some silly passing and decision that exposed our defense too much. Playing this football we will get countered, but it was too much for my liking in the 1st half. 2nd half I thought our defense is not as exposed but our pressing intensity dropped maybe due to fatigue. 

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Post-Match Press Conference: Chelsea 5-0 Huddersfield

Sarri: “I think we started very well. In the first 25, 30 mins I saw my football. We moved the ball very fast with good movements off the ball. I’m happy because we played for 90 mins & defended for 90 mins, but we need consistency now”

Sarri on big February: “It will be very difficult - also for our opponents, I think. We have to be happy for our season - we are in February & involved in four different competitions”

Sarri on keeping it going: "In the Cup we played Liverpool, Spurs & City. It is like the Champions League, I think. Here in England, everything is very difficult. The league is competitive. We need consistency in the performances, results will be difficult but in perfromances"

Sarri on Higuain: “When he arrived he wasn’t top physical condition. Now he’s improving & I’m very happy because aside from his goals, I think he’s really suitable to play with Eden”

Sarri on motivation: “We need to understand that in the future we will not have to lose a game to get motivation. We have to improve consistency, mentality”

Sarri asked if he’s confident Bournemouth won’t be repeated: “I’m not sure but I hope so.”

Sarri on emotions of last few days: “I was completely focused on the team in the last three, four days. I wanted to understand. Today the answer is really very good but we have to be careful because we need the same mentality in every match”

Sarri on Chelsea’s potential: “I think we have good potential. We need to arrive to play 70, 75 mins like the first 25 in this match. We need to play the same football with continuity”

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5 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

Sarri on Chelsea’s potential: “I think we have good potential. We need to arrive to play 70, 75 mins like the first 25 in this match. We need to play the same football with continuity”

This. Just watch how relentless our pressing and how we keep moving. It was kinda watching pool play, we look like scoring whenever we go forward. 

 

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