Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[Special Juan 27,493]

From the first minute, once again, we started slow. They ruffled us, Luiz passed a shit ball inside and we looked clueless.

Slow starts, average players, beaten by Arsenal = theme

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Just now, Special Juan said:

He's not better than Salah, in fact he's actually not any better than David Silva who's approaching the end of his life at City. Right now people are putting Hazard on this big fuck off pedestal once again, he's good, but he ain't that good.

There is a fucking good link up striker on the bench in Giroud that linked up pretty well with him earlier in the season, but isn't that up to Sarri again? Higuain will not mask the issues in this team, he will merely become a focal point, but a focal point is nothing without service. Our LB is shite, out number 10 is in and out, our 22 is garbage and we have midfield players without a fucking clue.

Salah has yet to win zilch for Liverpool as their marquee player. Nothing. And you're crowning him? Are you seriously going to compare what Hazard has done for us and in the PL to what Salah has achieved? He has 4 team of the year appearances in 6 years and has multiple player of the year accolades including 2 top 2 finishes in the last 4 years.

No other PL player comes close to his records in England besides De Gea and Kane and both have 1  PL title between them. Hazard has won 2 titles, winning both as the best player in England.

David Silva? Boy, you seriously are reaching with that one. That's an embarrassing take, Juan. You're better than this.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

3 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

That press conference = ''players aren't good enough''

Oh dear, he's gone.

and he wont get better ones...

[Fernando 6,496]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

I'll say this again. Sarri has never won a trophy in his managerial career. "We still got EL" doesn't give me any kind of confidence.

"But there's always a first time!" Fair enough, like there's always a first time for Spuds and Poch right? Nah, when we get to the EL final, THEN you can throw that at me.

Just one game? Just one game? I feel like screaming inside seriously. It's not just one game or even two.

And for the patience thing. Patience doesn't always mean "the rewards are coming". Just look at Alvaro Morata, Bakayoko, AVB and all other failed 'patience' members.

Well you have less patience then me. 

Because for the record I wanted to keep Conte, despite how woeful we was. I knew the problem was the same thing that Sarris is saying. 

But Conte was a fool for always having a go at the board. You can't win in this club by doing that. 

I genuinely feel that the club also want to have patience, but could not do it with the past 2 managers because of how they went about. Sarri is much easier to handle and because of that I would not be surprise that he is still here come next season. 

[Jase 43,479]

6 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Because we all know that is true. Same players that drop in performance for two of those managers. Did it for Mourinho, for Conte and now Sarri. They will do the same for any new manager that comes in. 

Yeah but all too convenient of an excuse to use after a bad defeat, especially when he has pretended like his tactics, team selections haven't been the issue. It's basically him indirectly saying "It's not my fault, it's theirs". Straight out of Mourinho's playbook.

[Laylabelle 9,396]

Thing is even if finish top 4 unless something happens in the summer window or things change it'll be pointless. We can't compete and probably be back in Europa after the group stages. 

The way we've fallen. Quickly as well. Maybe a wake up call.. Probably not. 

1 shot in the last 10 ish minutes .. 60% what is the point?! 

[Fulham Broadway 16,962]

5 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

and he wont get better ones...

Did you see it ? Slagging the players off in public doesn't tend to end well

[Special Juan 27,493]

2 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Salah has yet to win zilch for Liverpool as their marquee player. Nothing. And you're crowning him? Are you seriously going to compare what Hazard has done for us and in the PL to what Salah has achieved? He has 4 team of the year appearances in 6 years and has multiple player of the year accolades including 2 top 2 finishes in the last 4 years.

No other PL player comes close to his records in England besides De Gea and Kane and both have 1  PL title between them. Hazard has won 2 titles, winning both as the best player in England.

David Silva? Boy, you seriously are reaching with that one. That's an embarrassing take, Juan. You're better than this.

I'm giving big credit to Salah like he deserves, like I did with Hazard in seasons gone by. Salah was given away by this club, went away, came back has been nothing short of top class since coming from Roma, so much so Jose Mourinho has nearly cried about him in his latest interview. You mention Kane, even he's been top class the last few seasons, I mean has Hazard been outshone by both? Yes he has. I mean if we are talking consistency should he not be up there with them both? He hasn't has he?

[OneMoSalah 8,807]

15 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Salah has yet to win zilch for Liverpool as their marquee player. Nothing. And you're crowning him? Are you seriously going to compare what Hazard has done for us and in the PL to what Salah has achieved? He has 4 team of the year appearances in 6 years and has multiple player of the year accolades including 2 top 2 finishes in the last 4 years.

No other PL player comes close to his records in England besides De Gea and Kane and both have 1  PL title between them. Hazard has won 2 titles, winning both as the best player in England.

David Silva? Boy, you seriously are reaching with that one. That's an embarrassing take, Juan. You're better than this.

Tbf I dont think for Chelsea, Eden has really improved a huge deal in the last 2 seasons. He seems to have hit a wall here, a level which he's clearly content to be at, although when hes onform hes one of the best in Europe but that consistency to deliver at that level has never been there, even in title winning seasons, he still yoyos his performances a lot. Good for 2 or 3 games then average for 2 or 3. In those poor seasons under Mourinho and Conte, he was very much below average 75% of the time, which for a world class player is not acceptable. You cant always blame who he to play with, he openly admitted last season he hadn't been playing well for 3 months in the winter time. How many world class players go on a 3 month bad spell?

I really really dont think hed be any better at a Real or Barca if he was playing at his highest level like when he does here. Weird though He always seems to go up a gear for Belgium and their team is hardly that much better than ours.

No doubts about David Silva for me, he is one of the best PL players at the moment, still gutted we never got him back when City leapfrogged us to get him all those years ago. I think he'll always be quite an underrated player for non City fans but I would argue hes been one of the best PL players for a lot of years now. Hes everything Mata would of been if he could retain the ball very well under pressure. Football intelligence, great final pass, scores goals, good dribbler... under Pep hes gotten even better playing in that team as an 8 really.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

6 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Did you see it ? Slagging the players off in public doesn't tend to end well

Do u have hiddink's number?

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

1 minute ago, Special Juan said:

I'm giving big credit to Salah like he deserves, like I did with Hazard in seasons gone by. Salah was given away by this club, went away, came back has been nothing short of top class since coming from Roma, so much so Jose Mourinho has nearly cried about him in his latest interview. You mention Kane, even he's been top class the last few seasons, I mean has Hazard been outshone by both? Yes he has. I mean if we are talking consistency should he not be up there with them both? He hasn't has he?

Hazard has been hampered by both Conte and Sarri in the last 2 seasons. Just play him in his right position and he'll be alright. He was the best player at the World Cup and arguably the best player on the planet or at worst top 2 just about a month/6 weeks ago. Then Sarri started tampering with his position like Conte did in 17/18.

Hazard has already shown many times that he doesn't have the qualities to play as a striker. He likes to drop deep to recieve the ball and run at players. Sarri has taken that away from him like Conte did last year. He was by far the best player in the PL in his correct position just a few months ago despite playing with inferior players and a new tactical system (to Salah).

If you can't see that then its your problem. But when Higuain comes back and Hazard is back in his normal position and starts balling again. Don't jump back on the Hazard train.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

Mentality my giddy aunt, take Hazard’s false 9 situation for example, who wants to be a prostitute when one’s able to win a beauty pageant? You force someone to do things he doesn’t like then don’t expect motivation.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf I dont think for Chelsea, Eden has really improved a huge deal in the last 2 seasons. He seems to have hit a wall here, a level which he's clearly content to be at, although when hes onform hes one of the best in Europe but that consistency to deliver at that level has never been there, even in title winning seasons, he still yoyos his performances a lot. Good for 2 or 3 games then average for 2 or 3. I really dont think hed be any better at a Real or Barca if he was playing at his highest level like when he does here. He always seems to go up a gear for Belgium and their team is hardly that much better than ours.

No doubts about David Silva for me, he is one of the best PL players at the moment, still gutted we never got him back when City leapfrogged us to get him all those years ago. I think he'll always be quite an underrated player for non City fans but I would argue hes been one of the best PL players for a lot of years now.

And here comes the resident Hazard hater. You're a bigger fan of Salah, a player who plays for the enemy than you are a fan of Hazard, one of the greatest players to wear a Chelsea shirt.

Thanks goodness 99% of this forum are reasonable people and recognize him as the best in in the PL. I won't criticize Hazard playing out of position as a striker after two average performances.

And the fact you think the Belgian national team is "hardly" better than ours kind of says it all.

I'll let you have the last word cus I know that's what you really want.

[Special Juan 27,493]

1 minute ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Hazard has been hampered by both Conte and Sarri in the last 2 seasons. Just play him in his right position and he'll be alright. He was the best player at the World Cup and arguably the best player on the planet or at worst top 2 just about a month/6 weeks ago. Then Sarri started tampering with his position like Conte did in 17/18.

Hazard has already shown many times that he doesn't have the qualities to play as a striker. He likes to drop deep to recieve the ball and run at players. Sarri has taken that away from him like Conte did last year. He was by far the best player in the PL in his correct position just a few months ago despite playing with inferior players and a new tactical system (to Salah).

If you can't see that then its your problem. But when Higuain comes back and Hazard is back in his normal position and starts balling again. Don't jump back on the Hazard train.

I've been off the Hazard train for weeks/months if you hadn't read around. I just do not rate him as highly as yourself and others, it really isn't a crime, but you'd think it by the reactions around here.

Each to their own though eh

[Vesper 29,140]

1 minute ago, Special Juan said:

I've been off the Hazard train for weeks/months if you hadn't read around. I just do not rate him as highly as yourself and others, it really isn't a crime, but you'd think it by the reactions around here.

Each to their own though eh

gotta agree

my non Hazard doable teams would kick the fuck out of the teams that include him 

[Clockwork 1,794]

46 minutes ago, Jason said:

Sarri going full Mourinho here (and he's doing it in Italian)...

 

 

 

What have you done to motivate your players? For a start bench them if they underperform and don't show the right mentality, regardless how some players perform their place is guaranteed. 

 

[Fulham Broadway 16,962]

Hes lost the players now. Next manager....

[Fernando 6,496]

8 minutes ago, Mana said:

You definitely have more patience than me lol...

But the reason why I'm on edge, is because we actually have no time. We fecked up last season, and we cannot afford to feck up AGAIN this season. Two straight seasons in the Europa League is not what I want, and is should not be what you want to. It does nothing but provide further damage to our club.

I'm kinda glad Conte is gone. He's stubborn, and more defensive. You cannot say "We are prepared to suffer without the ball" and continue to back Conte. Defensive tactics don't work anymore in this era. It's all about attacking football now.

Conte was right about the board, but as you said he was a fool attacking the board.

Check this out:

Mourinho insisted Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp were afforded more luxuries than him in the Premier League.

Mourinho highlighted the support the pair have received in the transfer market since taking over at Manchester City and Liverpool respectively.

"For me it is more complicated as a manager as I don't focus on the football itself, I have to focus also in what is to prepare the future," Mourinho said.

"I think the future starts to be prepared with principles. That is more important than the football you watch and comment on. It is more important the culture you bring to the club, the principles, so it is a bit more complex.

"But you have the case of Manchester City. In the first season, Guardiola was not a champion, it was really difficult and people were expecting a winning Manchester City.

"They were coming already from winning period, champions with (Roberto) Mancini and (Manuel) Pellegrini. Some of the players were already champions twice, (Sergio) Aguero and (Vincent) Kompany, and in the first to the second season Pep made great decisions, but great decisions that were supported.

"For example, he didn't want (Pablo) Zabaleta or (Bacary) Sagna, two right-backs, and he didn't want (Aleksander) Kolarov or (Gael) Clichy. In the same summer he sold four full-backs and got four full-backs. He got (Kyle) Walker, Danilo, (Benjamin) Mendy and another. He was supported.

"In Liverpool, I think how many players were in Liverpool before Jurgen arrived? No Alisson (Becker), no (Virgil) Van Dijk, no (Andrew) Robertson, no (Mohamed) Salah, no (Roberto) Firmino, no (Sadio) Mane, no Fabinho, no (Georginio) Wijnaldum, no (Naby) Keita, so this is work in depth.

"So when I speak about leadership related to the structure of the club, it is not just leadership, it is everything, even the football ideas.

 

"If you are manager (and) you have in your hands the possibility to choose the players you want to follow your football idea, or to follow the idea that you think is the best to win a certain competition, that is one thing. Another thing is if you are (not) able to do this."

Mourinho also believes the mentality of players is changing and says one of his players asked him to stop criticising him publicly.

"I had recently one of my players, I was just coaching them, and when I coach on the pitch I like to see myself free because I am in family and I want to be able to criticise everyone," he added.

"I had one player say, he was very polite and not confrontational, 'Please when you criticise me, can you do it in private?'. I said why and he said, 'Because it's my stature in front of the other players, when you criticise me I don't feel comfortable'.

"He was one of the top players of his generation. Nowadays you have to be very smart in the way you read your players and their personalities."

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11612220/jose-mourinho-says-he-has-rejected-three-job-offers-since-his-man-utd-sacking