Ross Barkley

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Yeah far too many touches after getting in promising areas. Hopefully we go back to a 3 man midfield as opposed to 2 screening and one more advances think it suits everyone better. Particularly Ruben who although I think he can play as a 10 but like Tomo said in a thread when we discussed it, his drivings run from there slightly more deeper are very effective.

Still dont get why he never put Willian in on the wing ahead of using Ross and shifting Mason outwide but hey ho not the first time FL has used 2 10s in that 3 and it hasn't exactly worked too well. 

Yes its a shoe horn but Willian can not be trusted. He is absolute shit and wveryone knows it. I would rather put Tammy on the wing than willian

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

Just now, Magic Lamps said:

Yes its a shoe horn but Willian can not be trusted. He is absolute shit and wveryone knows it. I would rather put Tammy on the wing than willian

Perhaps but we need pace on both sides to stretch teams and be more effective in offensive transitions, Mason is quickish but not as fast as you'd want a winger to be. Also Willian, despite his huge inconsistency and lack of end product is probably better going the otherway when we drop into a shape out of possession. We do need to upgrade on him but I think Lamps already has a preference of using Ross and Mason ahead of him even if it means shoehorning them in the team which hasnt really been a success so far for me but I would expect that to change when Callum is ready. Its a work in progress and I think a striker, a wide player (Pedro replacement) and left back will be the top 3 positions we look to strengthen when our transfer ban is done.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

12 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Perhaps but we need pace on both sides to stretch teams and be more effective in offensive transitions, Mason is quickish but not as fast as you'd want a winger to be. Also Willian, despite his huge inconsistency and lack of end product is probably better going the otherway when we drop into a shape out of possession. We do need to upgrade on him but I think Lamps already has a preference of using Ross and Mason ahead of him even if it means shoehorning them in the team which hasnt really been a success so far for me but I would expect that to change when Callum is ready. Its a work in progress and I think a striker, a wide player (Pedro replacement) and left back will be the top 3 positions we look to strengthen when our transfer ban is done.

All our tradirional wingers are quick enough I guess but Willian is just so poor, i rather have a player who has actual end product on that position. 

I agree you need a quick player either side. So you saw Emerson pushing high up the pich.  He has got pace to burn albeit no end product as well he stretches play. We will be fine anywayonce CHO comes back. 

I think the wing positions for Lamps are more like no 10s. One always plays rather narrow and the fullbacks make the width. 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

21 hours ago, Stats said:

Looks like I am in a minority but I thought he done well.

He was average at best. He has no left foot and cannot run with the ball without looking down at the ground all the time. This makes him miss loads of chances to make the correct passing option and take too many touches of the ball before he releases it.

[Vesper 30,119]

23 hours ago, Stats said:

Looks like I am in a minority but I thought he done well.

I like Barkley, but he is down the pecking order for me

I think he is a great change-up option

glad he is on the team

Lamps can get the best out of him

would take him at winger over the dreadful Willian any day of the week

Barkley came very cheap too, was a good buy, especial for an English HG

Willian and Higs  and Drinkwater are the posterboys for our cocked up transfer/sales policies

Bakayoko was just a decent buy that did not pan out, zero stick from me that, BUT I am pissed Marina blocked his loan move to Monaco

[Miguelito 459]

He did okay-ish. Honestly he's just so frustrating to watch. Takes 4 touches when he only needs 2. Constantly makes the wrong pass. The most frustrating is how he slightly misplaces so many passes. They end getting to our player most of the time (sometimes not though), but it's rarely ever where it needs to be. It'll be not quite be in stride so they'll have to slow down. It's often behind the player so they have to stop, turn around, and retrieve the ball (this especially happens when he is passing so an outside back.

It kills so much attacking momentum. Slows down play, allows defenses to get in better positions, etc.

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[Supermonkey92 1,428]

He's definitely an edge of the box guy than centre circle maestro

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[Miguelito 459]

He's definitely an edge of the box guy than centre circle maestro

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Agreed, but the problem is he just isn't good enough there either. He doesn't have the efficiency or decisiveness or end product or decision making for it. Part of that is confidence, but most is not.

There's a reason mount plays over him. He's simply the superior player.

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[1905didierblue 748]

Has to be a confidence issue. Specially after all the talk of "taking more risks", all he did was play safe. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

This is his 3rd season as a Chelsea player. He has not developed for 4 yeara now in his career or regressed if anything. If he does not make a breakthrough on the next 8 month we should sell him. Being english and shit he could well bring 30m+. We could well use the cash to fund better players in positions we are not as stacked as in his.

[Tomo 21,751]

38 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

This is his 3rd season as a Chelsea player. He has not developed for 4 yeara now in his career or regressed if anything. If he does not make a breakthrough on the next 8 month we should sell him. Being english and shit he could well bring 30m+. We could well use the cash to fund better players in positions we are not as stacked as in his.

If he's happy to stick around as a squad player I'd keep him. It's easy to say cash in but there's not many even good squad player's available in the £30-40m range these days as we found out in summer 2017 and while Ross isn't good enough to be a regular starter he's certainly good enough for the B team (we will need a competitive back up lineup if we're to compete with Pep's City).

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

15 minutes ago, Tomo said:

If he's happy to stick around as a squad player I'd keep him. It's easy to say cash in but there's not many even good squad player's available in the £30-40m range these days as we found out in summer 2017 and while Ross isn't good enough to be a regular starter he's certainly good enough for the B team (we will need a competitive back up lineup if we're to compete with Pep's City).

Yup but what does he even offer as a backup? I mean there is nothing he is particularly good at nor is he defensively rounded enough. I dont mind him sticking around for homegrown quota. But he really has become kind of midfield William minus the toxic attitude. No effect on either end.

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

This is his 3rd season as a Chelsea player. He has not developed for 4 yeara now in his career or regressed if anything. If he does not make a breakthrough on the next 8 month we should sell him. Being english and shit he could well bring 30m+. We could well use the cash to fund better players in positions we are not as stacked as in his.

We bought him for 15m, can easily sell for 40m. Yeah, let's see what happens this season, but if he continues to stagnate Connor Gallagher can replace him next season. Especially since our new policy is to introduce academy players. 

[Tomo 21,751]

15 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Yup but what does he even offer as a backup? I mean there is nothing he is particularly good at nor is he defensively rounded enough. I dont mind him sticking around for homegrown quota. But he really has become kind of midfield William minus the toxic attitude. No effect on either end.

I would say he's perfect for a squad role, he's inconsistent but does have natural quality which usually will mean a burst of good form once or twice a season. He can also play in a variety of shapes and positions.

If he's happy to play such a role we should keep him, there's always a game or two a season which he will be a match winner (Saints, Malmo) or match saviour (United). 

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

A mixed bag.

I can see arguments for keeping or selling come next summer as hes at an age where he should be deciding/affecting games more.

Connor Gallagher is nowhere near ready for even being considered a squad member either....