🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Mason Mount

[NikkiCFC 8,320]

1 hour ago, Stats said:

 

Just turned 23 not too long ago. This season he already has 10 goals and 13 assists in all comps. Have a seat.

Put some context into it. 9 of 10 goals came against lower level PL teams. Assists majority from set pieces. Games like this just prove my point. Take out worst teams we face during the season and set pieces his contribution is close to zero. We played 6 competitions this season and he only contributed in PL but not against top10 (top12) teams. When you say about inconsistencies you sound like he is good in 80% of games and bad in 20%. It is completely the opposite. 

[Vesper 30,178]

1 minute ago, NikkiCFC said:

Put some context into it. 9 of 10 goals came against lower level PL teams. Assists majority from set pieces. Games like this just prove my point. Take out worst teams we face during the season and set pieces his contribution is close to zero. We played 6 competitions this season and he only contributed in PL but not against top10 (top12) teams. When you say about inconsistencies you sound like he is good in 80% of games and bad in 20%. It is completely the opposite. 

yawn

you are obsessive with Mount

it is not normal

I call a few players shit

but I long ago stopped with Alonso, long ago

he is flawed, but he also comes up with more positive big plays than howlers

I do not rate Sarr, he is a nightmare

but the only time I bring him up is usually when he plays, or when he is on a deadwood list

I have no idea why you have this multiple year obsession with slagging off Mount

he is an England starter and a piece of our bedrock

I love him, he makes me feel good about Chelsea on balance

[Stats 7,142]

11 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Put some context into it. 9 of 10 goals came against lower level PL teams. Assists majority from set pieces. Games like this just prove my point. Take out worst teams we face during the season and set pieces his contribution is close to zero. We played 6 competitions this season and he only contributed in PL but not against top10 (top12) teams. When you say about inconsistencies you sound like he is good in 80% of games and bad in 20%. It is completely the opposite. 

Ok, this season maybe he has not scored as much against the top teams. Last season he scored against Real Madrid and Liverpool. Assisted the goal in the CL final against City. Of course he has inconsistencies, however your criticism of him is just beyond ridiculous sometimes. Goals are goals and assists are assists. Mount not having better stats against the better teams also comes down to other players as well. Not just him.

Also you point about stats is wrong. You just assume rather than watch. I can tell you the games he made assists for in open play. Norwich, Arsenal (should of been 2 assists bar incredible save from Leno), Middlesbrough (2), Watford, Luton and Lille. Meaning he has contributed majority from open play. Yes, he has made assists from set pieces a few times, however he has made a few assists from open play too.

9 minutes ago, Hermione said:

But I'm not criticizing  him as per just saying he is an average footballer and this is pretty much true, he doesn't excel in anything and shouldn't be starting for a top club, he has his uses but I've yet to see anything in his game that says he is a first team player, he is only 23 years old and time to get better but I'm not sure how much he can improve some of these stuff you either have them or you don't.

Says ever manager who continues to manage us. I would rather trust Tuchel's opinion than yours. Time will tell. He is doing well so far.

[Vesper 30,178]

49 minutes ago, Stats said:

Ok, this season maybe he has not scored as much against the top teams. Last season he scored against Real Madrid and Liverpool. Assisted the goal in the CL final against City. Of course he has inconsistencies, however your criticism of him is just beyond ridiculous sometimes. Goals are goals and assists are assists. Mount not having better stats against the better teams also comes down to other players as well. Not just him.

Also you point about stats is wrong. You just assume rather than watch. I can tell you the games he made assists for in open play. Norwich, Arsenal (should of been 2 assists bar incredible save from Leno), Middlesbrough (2), Watford, Luton and Lille. Meaning he has contributed majority from open play. Yes, he has made assists from set pieces a few times, however he has made a few assists from open play too.

Says ever manager who continues to manage us. I would rather trust Tuchel's opinion than yours. Time will tell. He is doing well so far.

I trust Tuchel

no questions asked

[DDA 9,939]

I'm blaming his hair for the recent shirtless in form. 

He cuts it off, albeit a disaster of a haircut but he immediately improves. 

All down to the hair. 

[Tomo 21,751]

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

7 hours ago, Tomo said:

 

Don't count. The assists were from corners and goals against bottom half clubs. 

[Superblue 6,372]

21 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Put some context into it. 9 of 10 goals came against lower level PL teams. Assists majority from set pieces. Games like this just prove my point. Take out worst teams we face during the season and set pieces his contribution is close to zero. We played 6 competitions this season and he only contributed in PL but not against top10 (top12) teams. When you say about inconsistencies you sound like he is good in 80% of games and bad in 20%. It is completely the opposite. 

All of Havertz goals and assists in the league this season bar one have been against teams 14th or lower, are we using the same basis of argument against him too?

Or should we all just have a bit of trust in Tuchel that clearly both are part of what he'd view as his strongest XI?

Both are young players with what we hope are their best prime years in front of them playing in Chelsea shirts and are both improving on last seasons numbers. 

The Lukaku experiment this season I think has proven that we're very much a team where the unit as a whole are a greater sum than its individual parts and we need to be looking at 3, 4, 5 players chipping in with 10+ goals a season as opposed to one pushing 20 goals a season. 

In Mount and Havertz we have two and we need to find a couple more either from within or through the market in the summer.

[coolhead23 1,147]

15 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Put some context into it. 9 of 10 goals came against lower level PL teams. Assists majority from set pieces. Games like this just prove my point. Take out worst teams we face during the season and set pieces his contribution is close to zero. We played 6 competitions this season and he only contributed in PL but not against top10 (top12) teams. When you say about inconsistencies you sound like he is good in 80% of games and bad in 20%. It is completely the opposite. 

I believe we need to win to achieve points so basically a player who doesnt cost us much is atleast putting a performance against the so called weaker team against a 100M player, I m sure I will take the player who delivers. U can cancel out different measurable parameters and at the end of the day everyone's contribution would come down to single figure. 

Is he a world class player ... surely no ... not sure if he would achieve that elite level but feel he is one of those players who is needed in a team.

More importantly the person that matters the most sees something in him & is picking him for 80% - 90% of the time yet we feel his contribution could amount of zero.

[King Kante 1,643]

Cannot believe there are still these discussions on Mount. I mean some people are having a go about his stats even though: 

1) He has improved his stats year on year

2) Is only 23 so still young; I personally don't expect full consistency until 25'ish (although do expect improvements, which he has done.) 

3) He isn't even a player that should be judged on g&a stats. Mount's best quality is playing between the lines and pressing like a mad man. That is incredibly valuable in the modern game and he does this to a high level. 

Simply put, people either don't realise what type of player he is, don't understand what role he is playing (instead just thinking he is a AM and want elite WF play from him) or simply have an axe to grind. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,314]

16 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Cannot believe there are still these discussions on Mount. I mean some people are having a go about his stats even though: 

1) He has improved his stats year on year

2) Is only 23 so still young; I personally don't expect full consistency until 25'ish (although do expect improvements, which he has done.) 

3) He isn't even a player that should be judged on g&a stats. Mount's best quality is playing between the lines and pressing like a mad man. That is incredibly valuable in the modern game and he does this to a high level. 

Simply put, people either don't realise what type of player he is, don't understand what role he is playing (instead just thinking he is a AM and want elite WF play from him) or simply have an axe to grind. 

You'd be very hard pressed to find anyone at Stamford Bridge criticising him. Its only on the hyper-critical global interweb.

[King Kante 1,643]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

You'd be very hard pressed to find anyone at Stamford Bridge criticising him. Its only on the hyper-critical global interweb.

It is the same with many players tbf. Alonso is pretty much universally loved by those in the MHL. Ok, he gets a few groans here and there but generally 'runs down the wing' is heard a lot more frequently.

[Fulham Broadway 17,314]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

It is the same with many players tbf. Alonso is pretty much universally loved by those in the MHL. Ok, he gets a few groans here and there but generally 'runs down the wing' is heard a lot more frequently.

This forum has always been the same - more vitriol at our players than anything else from some 😀 

I actually banned a few because there was nothing but negative posts slagging our players off.

[Vesper 30,178]

What's So Special About? | Chelsea superstar Mason Mount ✨

https://footballnews.net/video/whats-so-special-about-Chelsea-superstar-mason-mount

[Stats 7,142]

On 10/04/2022 at 05:32, Tomo said:

 

Just another goal and assist albeit in a non PL game this time.

P.S he has his goal against a 'big team' this season. Relief 😊

[Blue Armour 4,439]

Hope this game puts to bed all those accusations that he fails to step up in big games.

Lucky to have him.

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Blue Armour said:

Hope this game puts to bed all those accusations that he fails to step up in big games.

Lucky to have him.

Do you really believe that will happen? 😉

He's slowing taking over my Fav spot from Kante... fantastic player!

[King Kante 1,643]

As I always like to do with Mount, I will compare his stats to those of SFL in his first three seasons at Chelsea (also remember SFL was 2.5 years older than Mount when he arrived.) 

SFL 

01/02 - 53 games - 7 goals, 2 assists - 4483 mins - goal/assist every 498 mins

02/03 - 48 games - 8 goals, 5 assists - 4127 mins - goal/assist every 317 mins

03/04 - 58 games - 15 goals, 9 assists - 5041 mins - goal/assist every 210 mins

Mount 

19/20 - 53 games - 7 goals, 6 assists - 3741 mins - goal/assist every 288 mins

20/21 - 54 games - 9 goals, 9 assists - 4242 mins - goal/assist every 236 mins

21/22 - 45 games - 11 goals, 14 assists - 3049 mins - goal/assist every 122 mins

People need to remember that Mount shouldn't really be thought of as a pure AM but more of a old No.8 like SFL because of his off the ball work when out of possession. 

However, I always use this metric (even though I am not a fan of stats alone) as I used to have to defend SFL a lot in his first three seasons here. As I am doing with Mount, I always pointed to the fact that he was improving year on year and that by the time he got to 25 onwards it would put him in good stead. 

What is impressive with Mount is that he is showing similar progress with more advanced metrics at 2.5 years younger. In addition, he also has three years of CL experience whereas SFL only got a one/two rounds of UEFA cup experience in his first two years. 

Lastly, SFL in his 03/04 season also has the 'issue' of primarily scoring against smaller teams. If you look into advanced stats the majority of his league goals that season 70%+ came against teams in the bottom half of the league, whilst his only goal against a top 6 team was a peno against Utd. 

Tbh, this comparison is going to start to become harder from next year as SFL became our Peno taker from 04/05, however I think this should always be considered, especially as Mount is still only 23. 

Edited April 13, 2022 by King Kante

[NikkiCFC 8,320]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

As I always like to do with Mount, I will compare his stats to those of SFL in his first three seasons at Chelsea (also remember SFL was 2.5 years older than Mount when he arrived.) 

SFL 

01/02 - 53 games - 7 goals, 2 assists - 4483 mins - goal/assist every 498 mins

02/03 - 48 games - 8 goals, 5 assists - 4127 mins - goal/assist every 317 mins

03/04 - 58 games - 15 goals, 9 assists - 5041 mins - goal/assist every 210 mins

Mount 

19/20 - 53 games - 7 goals, 6 assists - 3741 mins - goal/assist every 288 mins

20/21 - 54 games - 9 goals, 9 assists - 4242 mins - goal/assist every 236 mins

21/22 - 45 games - 11 goals, 14 assists - 3049 mins - goal/assist every 122 mins

People need to remember that Mount shouldn't really be thought of as a pure AM but more of a old No.8 like SFL because of his off the ball work when out of possession. 

However, I always use this metric (even though I am not a fan of stats alone) as I used to have to defend SFL a lot in his first three seasons here. As I am doing with Mount, I always pointed to the fact that he was improving year on year and that by the time he got to 25 onwards it would put him in good stead. 

What is impressive with Mount is that he is showing similar progress with more advanced metrics at 2.5 years younger. In addition, he also has three years of CL experience whereas SFL only got a one/two rounds of UEFA cup experience in his first two years. 

Lastly, SFL in his 03/04 season also has the 'issue' of primarily scoring against smaller teams. If you look into advanced stats the majority of his league goals that season 70%+ came against teams in the bottom half of the league, whilst his only goal against a top 6 team was a peno against Utd. 

Tbh, this comparison is going to start to become harder from next year as SFL became our Peno taker from 04/05, however I think this should always be considered, especially as Mount is still only 23. 

You can call him number 8 but last 15 months he is not even a number 10 but more of a winger/striker (I mean TT said we play with 3 strikers). If we go back to 433 and he is in MF would he be able to score more than 5 or 6 goals? For England he plays there and scores rarely. Also going with comparison with Lampard logic did Oscar become better player than Frank based on his first 2 or 3 seasons at Chelsea? And another very important argument about Mount how many other clubs fans you know who rate him? When England plays fans always criticise him, and when you go to other clubs forums or comments section on Daily Mail for example it's quite similar. 

 

[Superblue 6,372]

10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

You can call him number 8 but last 15 months he is not even a number 10 but more of a winger/striker (I mean TT said we play with 3 strikers). If we go back to 433 and he is in MF would he be able to score more than 5 or 6 goals? For England he plays there and scores rarely. Also going with comparison with Lampard logic did Oscar become better player than Frank based on his first 2 or 3 seasons at Chelsea? And another very important argument about Mount how many other clubs fans you know who rate him? When England plays fans always criticise him, and when you go to other clubs forums or comments section on Daily Mail for example it's quite similar. 

It's because armchair fans love something flashy. There was huge clamour for Grealish to be playing more regularly for England because he played in a way to entertain fans. Pulls out one or two tricks and that's all everyone talks about. It's the era we're in with youtube, twitter, etc. Foden, although a better player than Grealish is somewhat similar where he was being hyped as this era's Gazza and as a result fans are pissed that the more solid, efficient player is in ahead of him (and for the record except one goal against Liverpool, Foden's other 6 goals and 4 assists this season have been against teams in the bottom half of the league which seems to be a stick to beat Mount with).

These players may be more technically superior to Mount but neither have the work rate, off the ball movement, defensive discipline and reliability that Mount has. It's why he's trusted by Southgate over them. It's why despite what these opposition fans might say, all of the managers at their clubs would snap him up if Chelsea made him available, including Klopp and Pep.

Now does he get more leniency from the fanbase because he came from the academy? Yes that's probably a fairer statement but it's also probably because even when he is playing poor and things aren't happening, people can still appreciate that he puts a full shift in.

Ultimately though despite all the Lampard's pet rubbish, Tuchel has no previous ties to the club or the players and he's still been an integral part of the team under him for over a year now. Anyone who believes we're a better side without him in the team rather than with him must be watching a different game to me.