Álvaro Morata

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

Really? At least Torres in his life scored 20+ goals in a PL season (twice), unlike this useless one here!

Torres had a "mental problem" as well. You can also put Falcao in there as well. 

Torres and Falcao before they made their move to Chelsea (or United in Falcao's case) were the hottest strikers in town.

Yes, Torres in his first few PL years was probably world class but he had more physical problems than mental, started picking up injuries and then rushed to get that op to make the world cup in 2010 and many believe that ultimately fucked him. If he didn't lose that bit of pace he'd still of been at least a bit more useful but that physical change affected him so badly, every time he ran he looked as if he was treading water. Falcao is a huge mystery, the guy was unbelievable, such a scary player, one chance one goal, that good. Big injuries and shit loans didn't help.

Anyway talking about 20+ goals a season in the PL, Drogba only ever managed that once in his career if I remember correctly, year he scored 29 goals think it was 09-10. It means nothing. Realistically I'd say 15 goals a season in the PL is a good return for a striker, basically 1 in every 2 games, don't think its not achievable for any of our strikers in all fairness (unless Morata goes and does it). I'm not 100% sure but Costa didn't even score more than 20 in the league in a season (dont think he was far off the first year and the last year he was here but don't think it was ever 20 or over). 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Torres would get praised if he could complete a 5 yard pass because he was that shite but for me Morata had a decent enough game, except for not scoring (if it happens for the rest of August then yeah I'd say we maybe have a problem) and its not the same context to say its a Torres situation that we are praising him for doing "nothing". If Morata had played shit but had scored it wouldn't be an issue because hes done what people expect him to do. Its a tough life for a striker in terms of being criticised (same with goalkeepers), play alright no goal = bad performance, score a goal but play bad = done the job. Fair enough 60m or whatever you want more, we all do, still wouldn't say he let anybody down yesterday or played so much worse than anybody else who had a bog standard game.

Lets not kid on Torres got every excuse under the sun, from memory heres some of the classics: team plays defensive football, team doesn't create chances for him, system doesn't suit him... its not going to ever get that bad for any other player. Some of the shit people would say to defend him were quite embarrassing, the guy went through about 6 managers and not one of them could get him scoring regularly except Rafa Benitez, who generally decided to build the team around him and Mata more or less. I wouldnt say that was a mental problem, the way his career panned was more physical because he lost like 5 yards of pace in the space of 2 years. Morata on the other hand I think its just a mental problem, he gets over that he'll be fine.

Who cares if striker can linkup if he cant score a damn goal.

I want striker to know how to finish, so that you have someone reliable uptop. If he can also link up, thats only a bonus, not an excuse.

Lets not kid ourselves, Morata isnt as bad player as was Torres, but he is bad as a striker. Neither could score. 

Thats a big problem and we must bench him if he wont get shit together by the end of august.

[Thor 2,392]

He has as many goals as Lukaku and Kane so far.

I honestly saw progression in the last game. He didn't score. So what? He did everything right out there, and he didn't go down easy. Had a few great hold up plays.

Not the end of the world if he doesn't score. He had 5 less goals than Lukaku last season in about 10 less starts. The team as a whole struggled last year, and his confidence was shit, plus he had niggling injuries.

He is still super talented. He is going through a rough patch. He will come out of it. 

[Tomo 21,733]

9 hours ago, The Skipper said:

That’s my whole point - it’s what Torres used to get praised for as well. If he had a game where he did the basics right he’d suddenly have played a good game. 

But that's what I mean, how often did Torres actually get the basics right?  It seemed to me his praise came from people desperately clinging onto thin air (hence this false myth of him working hard when in reality it couldn't be further from the truth). Not that I wouldn't be up for upgrading on Morata, quite the opposite infact, but if he is to be compared to a striker in that era I would say he was closer to Eto'o than Torres.

[yuvala 2,167]

Don't really get some of the comments here..
 

Morata wasn't shit that's all. If that is what we're expecting from our striker at this point .......

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

Torres had  good games too in which he led the game well, assisted, combined well, tried hard but the he had patches wete he was completely anonymous or even worse produced like 20 turnovers. But for Torres it was his pace he lost with that injury and witj his pace his confidence left. Morata just has shot confidence and struggles to pull himself out. He will have good patches where he scores a few games in a row and other than Torres he still has his pace and is good in the air but he will never be a consiatent leading striker and that is why he can never be a main man in attack. He is too busy sorting himself out too lead the line. He would be a decent 2nd striker like at Juve or a joker or maybe even a starter dor a mid table team where the pressure is not that big but he will never be a Kane/lewandowski type of lone striker

[communicate 2,703]

12 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Who cares if striker can linkup if he cant score a damn goal.

I want striker to know how to finish, so that you have someone reliable uptop. If he can also link up, thats only a bonus, not an excuse.

Lets not kid ourselves, Morata isnt as bad player as was Torres, but he is bad as a striker. Neither could score. 

Thats a big problem and we must bench him if he wont get shit together by the end of august.

Most big team actually prefer their striker to be able to link up first. It is basically the bare minimum requirement, if your link up play is bad you won't even play.  It doesn't matter if you are a good finisher. Michy is our best finisher yet he is loaned to Valencia, Sturridge was pool best finisher but firmino start ahead of him, benzema is still real main striker. 

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Can't understand how people can be satisfied with his performances when he can't score goals (that's what strikers should do)...

our standards are so low sometimes...

[Polo7 3,496]

26 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

Can't understand how people can be satisfied with his performances when he can't score goals (that's what strikers should do)...

our standards are so low sometimes...

Can’t understand how some people are still complaining about goals when we comfortably won 3-0. He did have a good game, yet some people get off on complaining.

[Vesper 28,787]

31 minutes ago, Polo7 said:

Can’t understand how some people are still complaining about goals when we comfortably won 3-0. He did have a good game, yet some people get off on complaining.

He played like shit in almost every game since spring, this one he was marginally acceptable, and it was against Huddersfield, ffs. He has been a massive flop, and you simply cannot finish in the top four with a cocked up striker. It is not rocket science. Either he improves to a point that I fear is now beyond all reasonable expectation, or we will have to rely on Giroud yet again, who is hardly a scoring machine at this point in his career. It is not like we have the French WC team backing up Giroud.

[Polo7 3,496]

47 minutes ago, Vesper said:

He played like shit in almost every game since spring, this one he was marginally acceptable, and it was against Huddersfield, ffs. He has been a massive flop, and you simply cannot finish in the top four with a cocked up striker. It is not rocket science. Either he improves to a point that I fear is now beyond all reasonable expectation, or we will have to rely on Giroud yet again, who is hardly a scoring machine at this point in his career. It is not like we have the French WC team backing up Giroud.

Do you remember Drogba when he first came? Probably not, as you were a united fan then.

[Fernando 6,455]

I think he will come good, the whole Torres comparison are absurd. 

As Sarri said, once they get working more like a team things will look better. 

Right now too much individuality. 

 

 

[Vesper 28,787]

57 minutes ago, Polo7 said:

Do you remember Drogba when he first came? Probably not, as you were a united fan then.

Sod off troll, I was 12 when he signed with us and had already been to over 50 Chelsea games with my father. I was literally Chelsea Blue since birth a few miles from the Bridge. You can take yer Manc slur and stick it up yer arse.

[Vesper 28,787]

58 minutes ago, Polo7 said:

So you’ve only known Chelsea in the good days. Spoilt fans nowadays. Fucking toxic.

It isnt our fault when we were born. And it doesn't change the fact Morata has been shit in almost all of 2018.

[Amblève. 4,995]

I wish people would stop bringing up Drogba in this thread. Drogba was an anomaly. How many player besides Drogba do you know who became as good as him in such a short time like Didier did?

[Polo7 3,496]

10 minutes ago, Amblève. said:

I wish people would stop bringing up Drogba in this thread. Drogba was an anomaly. How many player besides Drogba do you know who became as good as him in such a short time like Didier did?

 How about all the players Mourinho sold during his second spell. Because José, like our fans have no patience. Yet when Morata is sold and does well elsewhere, the same guys will complain about the board.

[Unionjack 7,531]

He is a very easy target right now even if he doesn't help himself out sometimes with easy misses.

But I'm wondering if playing with his old mate Mat might help him on. Not only balling wise but also his confidence.

Morata has already said that Mat was one of the best MF in the world and pictures Ive seen they look like they get on well. Might be good for him??

We shall see eh. Bloody hope so.

[Vesper 28,787]

Unlike De Bruyne and Salah, Morata has been given every opportunity to succeed. It is not my fault the board was so stupid and didn't include a buyback clause in both their contracts. They were younger too than Morata is now, so it was even more disastrous to not put one in.

I suppose they could insert one in a Morata sale, but after this year, unless he finally comes good, I fail to see much of a point, as his value will already be shot so low by then it really wont matter much, as if we did sell him, 2 years from next summer (so summer of 2021, when a buyback clause normally kicks in, 2 years after sale) he will be on the verge turning 29. We wouldn't give him a 5 year contract then, as he would be 33, and soon 34 at the end.