John Terry

[Superblue 6,370]

I'm sorry, but John Terry's lawyer isn't as good as I expected.

He keeps on fking up.

"Prosecutor says there's 'profound irony' that mag (?) is asked to discount lip reader evidence then rely on Cole saying he 'saw' what Ferdinand said. Prosecution lip readers watched television reply. Cole 'saw' what Ferdinand said from 25 yards away in a game."

Not really. If they rely on the lip reader then they also have to consider cole's evidence. If they discard the lip reading, then it helps terry.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

If they discard Cole's testimony because lipreading is inaccurate the Terry should not even be in court.

[Superblue 6,370]

If they discard Cole's testimony because lipreading is inaccurate the Terry should not even be in court.

Exactly terry's defence have put the court in a position where they cannot show double standards on the accuracy and validity of the evidences provided.

[Kezza 1,965]

Dan Levene ‏@BluesChronicle

District Judge Howard Riddle a highly experienced lawyer, who sits without a jury. He decides outcome. Normal in London magistrates courts.

Shit...

[Kezza 1,965]

Dan Levene ‏@BluesChronicle

Judge adjourns court until 2pm tomorrow, to reach a verdict. Says not to read anything into long adjournment, as he has other things to do.

[HNKS 508]

Other players have been giving Terry grief over the affair scandal and about his mum for years. Terry is the kind of player who can laugh it off and continue performing week in week out. What a legend! Fucking love you TERRY!!! CAPTAIN!

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Dan Levene ‏@BluesChronicle

Judge adjourns court until 2pm tomorrow, to reach a verdict. Says not to read anything into long adjournment, as he has other things to do.

So, Tomorrow we will know the verdict at 2pm?

[Kezza 1,965]

So, Tomorrow we will know the verdict at 2pm?

Yup! Tomorrow's the day! I'm confident it's gonna end good!

[Muzchap 8,966]

Even if he loses - It will be appealed almost instantly.

To those saying Terry's lawyer isn't smart! You need to understand the game being played - it's very smart! CHOULO19 sums it up perfectly...

The whole case is based on 'admissable' evidence, the only current evidence against Terry is via 'lip reading'.

Anton Ferdinand has also admitted, he didn't know it was racial abuse until pointed out on a 'video' - so the video is the key point.

If 'lip-reading' is deemed as it should be IMHO an 'unreliable science' - then both Anton Ferdinands accusation and Ashley Coles Testimony are invalid - leaving 'no case to answer'...

As with all UK trials, you have to be convicted 'beyond reasonable doubt' - that video clearly shows that there is 'reasonable doubt' as some parts are blocked from view, so it's only speculation what happened there and impossible to prove, that alone should have been the basis for a non-trial, but the media hype has forced the CPS to make a 'show' of it.

In all honesty, if this gets thrown out - Kier Stamma (sp) needs to be removed from office - he's apparently the head of the CPS and is a complete and utter idiot. This country wastes countless money on stupid trivial court proceedings, where the money would be better spent getting rid of people like Abu Hamsa, and deporting people (against EU Law) who don't deserve to be in the UK. I'm not against immigration, far from it - I'm an migrant worker in Salzburg, Austria - I get healthcare provided I work, I won't get any unemployment benefit if I lose my job and I'm not entitled to social housing. If Austria can do this, why can't the UK?

Anyway, back on topic....

I really can't see this turning into a prosecution - although I should imagine EVERYBODY in the CPS is piling pressure on the Judge - to avoid the humiliation of losing.

Take 2 normal people - non-celeb and this would have been dismissed. That's the only 'lottery' element - the perceived 'celeb' status...

So taking it on 'Law' alone - Terry should be found innocent (even if he is guilty) as the only 'proof of offense' is based upon 'unreliable lip reading science'....

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Even if he loses - It will be appealed almost instantly.

To those saying Terry's lawyer isn't smart! You need to understand the game being played - it's very smart! CHOULO19 sums it up perfectly...

The whole case is based on 'admissable' evidence, the only current evidence against Terry is via 'lip reading'.

Anton Ferdinand has also admitted, he didn't know it was racial abuse until pointed out on a 'video' - so the video is the key point.

If 'lip-reading' is deemed as it should be IMHO an 'unreliable science' - then both Anton Ferdinands accusation and Ashley Coles Testimony are invalid - leaving 'no case to answer'...

As with all UK trials, you have to be convicted 'beyond reasonable doubt' - that video clearly shows that there is 'reasonable doubt' as some parts are blocked from view, so it's only speculation what happened there and impossible to prove, that alone should have been the basis for a non-trial, but the media hype has forced the CPS to make a 'show' of it.

In all honesty, if this gets thrown out - Kier Stamma (sp) needs to be removed from office - he's apparently the head of the CPS and is a complete and utter idiot. This country wastes countless money on stupid trivial court proceedings, where the money would be better spent getting rid of people like Abu Hamsa, and deporting people (against EU Law) who don't deserve to be in the UK. I'm not against immigration, far from it - I'm an migrant worker in Salzburg, Austria - I get healthcare provided I work, I won't get any unemployment benefit if I lose my job and I'm not entitled to social housing. If Austria can do this, why can't the UK?

Anyway, back on topic....

I really can't see this turning into a prosecution - although I should imagine EVERYBODY in the CPS is piling pressure on the Judge - to avoid the humiliation of losing.

Take 2 normal people - non-celeb and this would have been dismissed. That's the only 'lottery' element - the perceived 'celeb' status...

So taking it on 'Law' alone - Terry should be found innocent (even if he is guilty) as the only 'proof of offense' is based upon 'unreliable lip reading science'....

Lip reading isn't the only evidence. The second evidence, the indisputable one is that Terry has admitted to saying "Fuck off, fuck off, yeah yeah, you black cunt? You knob head"

So even if the video and lip reading is complete dismissed, you still have Terry's confession of saying that quote. The question then becomes what context it was said in.

Terry has never denied he didn't utter "black cunt" The case is simply regarding the context it was uttered in. Was it simply Terry repeating Anton or was Terry in fact the first one to say it. That's the case.

I thought he was guilty until Cole said he "saw" Anton say "black cunt". So if you dismiss lip reading, which I'm fine with, you can dismiss Cole's testimony. If you do that, I think he's guilty but even then not sure there is enough to convict him.

[Blue Armour 4,278]

Lip reading isn't the only evidence. The second evidence, the indisputable one is that Terry has admitted to saying "Fuck off, fuck off, yeah yeah, you black cunt? You knob head"

So even if the video and lip reading is complete dismissed, you still have Terry's confession of saying that quote. The question then becomes what context it was said in.

Terry has never denied he didn't utter "black cunt" The case is simply regarding the context it was uttered in. Was it simply Terry repeating Anton or was Terry in fact the first one to say it. That's the case.

I thought he was guilty until Cole said he "saw" Anton say "black cunt". So if you dismiss lip reading, which I'm fine with, you can dismiss Cole's testimony. If you do that, I think he's guilty but even then not sure there is enough to convict him.

But isn't the context in which he said "black cunt" the issue here?

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

But isn't the context in which he said "black cunt" the issue here?

Yeah exactly. That's what my point is.

If I look at it logically and use common sense I am pretty confident he's guilty. However, I'm not sure if there is enough evidence to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt in court.

[Stats 7,053]

Regarding of our feelings for him as a captain/player of the club this is a totally different issue. I am black myself and will never change my attitude to Terry on the pitch as he is one of the most enthusiastic, never die captains you just want in your team and one of the best CB in Europe but when personal insults are made which is reported, he deserves to be punished. People here should not really be insulting Ferdinand, as he has been the one who has been getting death threats and is the reported victim on this case. I am not going to say "I hope Terry is found not guilty because he plays for Chelsea". This is a serious matter and I hope Chelsea fans feel the same way as me because racism has no place in football. I don't believe Terry is racist but did he make a racist remark in the match, I believe so.

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Lip reading isn't the only evidence. The second evidence, the indisputable one is that Terry has admitted to saying "Fuck off, fuck off, yeah yeah, you black cunt? You knob head"

So even if the video and lip reading is complete dismissed, you still have Terry's confession of saying that quote. The question then becomes what context it was said in.

Terry has never denied he didn't utter "black cunt" The case is simply regarding the context it was uttered in. Was it simply Terry repeating Anton or was Terry in fact the first one to say it. That's the case.

I thought he was guilty until Cole said he "saw" Anton say "black cunt". So if you dismiss lip reading, which I'm fine with, you can dismiss Cole's testimony. If you do that, I think he's guilty but even then not sure there is enough to convict him.

But since context is the issue then there's even less substance to this case. If you disregard lip reading evidence, and thus, disregard both the video evidence against Terry and Ashley Cole's statement for. Then all you're left with is tit for tat, he said this, no he said that. In which case, you have Terry admitting he said it, but in a sarcastic context in which he was repeating the comment to rubbish it, and Ferdinand who claims he can't say with any certainty that Terry every said those things to him because he didn't hear it.

Honestly, do I think JT is a racist? No. Do I think on this occasion he may of risen to the jabs of Ferdinand and retaliated with a racial slur, very possible, he's human after all. The truth however is, that the only person who knows what was said is Terry, and unless he admits to saying anything there really is not enough evidence to convict him, in my opinion (which is worthless).

[Naked Mole Rat 437]

What a joke. It wasn't even worthy of a court case to begin with. It was just the media making a big fuss about something so trivial, something that could have been settled between the individuals, and Anton Ferdinand going along with it and whining about it because he's a douche. The worst part is, if Terry proves innocent, Ferdinand probably won't receive much criticism for being such a childish bastard because this whole shenanigan was basically set up by people who wish everything bad would happen to Terry so they can laugh at him. And of course, if he proves guilty, the media will abuse him even worse and for a very long time.

[capriccioso 2,545]

Has anyone seen this?

In a hilarious misunderstanding, John Terry was asked to repeat evidence that he had been sent off four times in his career.

“Can you say, please, four times?” asked his QC, George Carter-Stephenson.

“Please, please, please, please,” Terry responded.

Guffaws of laughter broke out around the courtroom at the misunderstanding, which was a result of the judge asking Terry to speak up.

http://www.standard....at-7936075.html

Well that proves one of my points. He certainly didn't manage the club last year, he's far too stupid.

[Spike 12,049]

He is no Lampard anyway. Lamps has an IQ of 329.

[capriccioso 2,545]

He is no Lampard anyway. Lamps has an IQ of 329.

That's what pisses me off. Every outsider looked at Di Matteo's team and said it was all Terry's work.

If anyone other than Di Matteo was managing the team it would have been Lampard, Drogba or perhaps Cech. And I only think Cech is smart because he wears glasses