The Conte Thread

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5 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Exactly, he doesnt moan cuz he likes it, he is fully grown ass man and knows what he wants and is a winner to boot. He instantly transformed them, that much cant be disputed.

Saying Conte likes to moan because he is a winner, knows he wants etc is silly. Does that mean the likes of Klopp, Guardiola are not winners because they do not moan?

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Just now, Tomo said:

Then why's he moaning now? He's been given 17 players (most recent one being a world class wingback that's tailor made for his system) in a year at a cost of €200m (€270 if he takes up his options to buy) which is an unprecedented level of spending for an Italian team not named Juve.

He's had his every wish catered for at Inter and he's still acting like a juvenile teenager.

You dont know what has happened behind the scenes. So he has bought for 200M, but he has also made them come second, instantly made an impact. YEs he might moan but also delivers.

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Saying Conte likes to moan because he is a winner, knows he wants etc is silly. Does that mean the likes of Klopp, Guardiola are not winners because they do not moan?

He is a very emotional manager, he is upfront and vocal. Im not saying he is moaning cuz he is a winner, just that he may have his reasons.

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17 minutes ago, Tomo said:

For all Jose's faults one thing I'll always give him is that he stayed commited to the job until the end. Yes he was unhappy he didn't get his players in, yes he let that be known in passive aggressive ways and ofcourse his man management was misguided at best, but I do believe underneath that all he did desperately want to turn things around.

Conte on the other hand is a ticking time bomb, he became uncontactable for two weeks in the summer of 2017 and then jacked it in after the January transfer window which cost us top four which also indirectly kicked off Liverpool's dominance. The only reason we as fans didn't feel the full brunt of his actions was because he couldn't speak English to a very expressive level, if he did I dread to think how bad his behaviour would have been.

Hard to disagree but still both very similar. In Mourinho's case, he might have been desperate to turn things around but when his methods of doing that were basically repeating the same things, then it's like 'What's the point?'. Plus, his passive aggressive ways and man management were (and still?) arguably the most dominant factor in causing the bad slump because if the players do not respond to what you say anymore, then you're in big trouble. 

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2 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

He is a very emotional manager, he is upfront and vocal. Im not saying he is moaning cuz he is a winner, just that he may have his reasons.

Reasons? What reasons does he have to be moaning almost every week? He's been backed to the hill by Inter with the transfers and yet, he is still moaning. If he's unhappy with the board, go speak with them behind closed doors and if he's still unhappy, then just quit. Constantly throwing his toys out of the pram like a baby in the public just makes him look bad and is not going to help his future job prospects at a big club. 

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5 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

You dont know what has happened behind the scenes. So he has bought for 200M, but he has also made them come second, instantly made an impact. YEs he might moan but also delivers.

Well given his grievances at Juve and Chelsea were apparently signing players he didn't want (even though he's wants to reunite with the final two signings made in his tenure here) what's he got to be so outraged about? He's practically playing supermarket sweep at Inter, got the striker he loves, got Alexis 3rd time of asking, got Godin, got the best attainable wingback etc al.

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Just now, Jason said:

Reasons? What reasons does he have to be moaning almost every week? He's been backed to the hill by Inter with the transfers and yet, he is still moaning. If he's unhappy with the board, go speak with them behind closed doors and if he's still unhappy, then just quit. Constantly throwing his toys out of the pram like a baby in the public just makes him look bad and is not going to help his future job prospects at a big club. 

Yeah I can agree with that one, sometimes he needs to keep it in-house

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20 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

You dont know what has happened behind the scenes. So he has bought for 200M, but he has also made them come second, instantly made an impact. YEs he might moan but also delivers.

Inter may have been happy to finish 2nd but Conte himself doesn't care about 2nd. He only wants 1st. Otherwise, he'll just moan. He's basically a short term manager. 

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1 minute ago, Tomo said:

Well given his grievances at Juve and Chelsea were apparently signing players he didn't want (even though he's wants to reunite with the final two signings made in his tenure here) what's he got to be so outraged about? He's practically playing supermarket sweep at Inter, got the striker he loves, got Alexis 3rd time of asking, got Godin, got the best attainable wingback etc al.

Thats true but this is Inter, not a very good squad to start with, he was backed and delivered imo. He has revitalised them, If he could just not be so vocal all the time he would rule Italy. Class manager.

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Just now, Jason said:

Inter may have been happy to finish 2nd after missing out on the Top 4 last season but Conte himself doesn't care about 2nd. He only wants 1st. Otherwise, he'll just moan. 

Well as I said he is a born winner and he will do all to reach it. SOmetimes to his own detriment.

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The silly or frustrating thing with Conte is that he has shown he can coach and has proven it. He can improve players, make teams play better and even punch about their weight. But some times, he just goes and does/says things that you make you go 'What the hell?!'. If he focuses more on the coaching than the incessant moaning, he would actually be very enticing for the big clubs. But that is unlikely ever gonna be the case if he keeps his volatile management style going.

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Inter may have been happy to finish 2nd after missing out on the Top 4 last season but Conte himself doesn't care about 2nd. He only wants 1st. Otherwise, he'll just moan. He's basically a short term manager. 

I can't criticize him for wanting to win titles. He just is a winner. Everything else is a failure. Messi and Ronaldo think the same. Without that mentality, Conte would not have made it in world football

 

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1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

I can't criticize him for wanting to win titles. He just is a winner. Everything else is a failure. Messi and Ronaldo think the same. Without that mentality, Conte would not have made it in world football

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Am sure every other top managers and players are winners as well but there are ways to go about it, even when when you don't win, and Conte's way is definitely not one of them. 

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We weren't pissed off with him because he criticised the board,we were pissed off with him because he refused to do his job properly and get the absolute best out of what he's got and what's even more hilarious is the January window that caused him to jack it in, he now wants to reunite with 2/3 signings from that month
Furthermore Conte also had access to the youth players Frank did, if he was that upset at the prospect of signing Morata, Bakayoko and Zappacosta, Tammy, Mount/RLC and James were available for him to use instead until a player of his choosing could be had.

Conte clearly overachieved at Chelsea. Winning a title with Moses and Alonso as starters is an insane achievement. He came here and wanted to play with a back 4,but he saw that our players do not have enough football IQ to play a back 4,so he switched it to a back 3/5 depending whether going forward or staying at the back.

About youth. I am a youth fan just like you. In my opinion, Ruben is not suited in a 2 man midfield and never will. I can't really say that was Conte's fault. He tried Ruben as a striker instead.
About Mount. He sold Oscar and I do not see why he should then give Mount a chance when they are so similar.
He should have given Boga more chances, but when Boga got a chance, Cahill got sent off and Boga was then off lol. Could've given him more chances though.
If I remember it right, Tammy was loaned out and he played for Swansea

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[Tomo 21,733]

9 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

Conte clearly overachieved at Chelsea. Winning a title with Moses and Alonso as starters is an insane achievement. He came here and wanted to play with a back 4,but he saw that our players do not have enough football IQ to play a back 4,so he switched it to a back 3/5 depending whether going forward or staying at the back.

About youth. I am a youth fan just like you. In my opinion, Ruben is not suited in a 2 man midfield and never will. I can't really say that was Conte's fault. He tried Ruben as a striker instead.
About Mount. He sold Oscar and I do not see why he should then give Mount a chance when they are so similar.
He should have given Boga more chances, but when Boga got a chance, Cahill got sent off and Boga was then off lol. Could've given him more chances though.
If I remember it right, Tammy was loaned out and he played for Swansea

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The work he did in the title season was fantastic, which if anything makes his later behaviour worse. 

And what i was saying isn't really about being a youth fan per se, it's more to the fact that surely promoting them to a squad role was better than signing players you don't want? (that's assuming he didn't want them which Drinkwater aside is giving him the benefit of extreme doubt). Even Jose that season promoted McTominay at United to fill a hole, there's no way our guys couldn't have furfilled a similar requirement if it truly came to it.

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[Fernando 6,484]

Crazy, 

Conte come back for a second season ala Mournho, you fit right in. Chelsea FC Hollywood

[NikkiCFC 8,048]

It would be so unfair to let him go. Alegri would come and win title next year and people would praise him but in reality Conte build this team. And I think Conte would win title next season also.

Same happened in Juve... Well, both won titles but just look at the squad, Alegri had much better team and this is why he had better CL record (two finals).