The Conte Thread

[El P. 1,354]

This story about "negative tactics" is blown out of the proportion.

Moses is nowadays considered to be defensive player, really? Man played 90% of his career as a winger, his main strengths are speed, dribbling and stamina, and now we are considering him "defender" because he plays slightly different role in team? Maybe he is not the brightest player in the world in final third, but to call him defensive player is like calling Cuadrado defensive player and of course whole Juve's team because he plays on the wing. I guess then Verratti is too a defensive player, he plays in defensive midfielder role?

I agree that Conte should sometimes try to deploy Fabregas in the two-man midfield against lesser opponents, at least from the half time if result is 0-0, but let's not get carried away. Fabregas in the middle with Pedro/Willian on the wing could bring whole another set of problems, against any decent team, not just top 6. That's not anywhere near enough reason to call on Conte's head for.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Pedro and Willian played 4 straight games in short window of time. So has Hazard, no? Besides those two players are squad players.They've gone through stretches were they haven't played for weeks. I see no reason why they should be as fatigued as actual first XI players like Hazard, Kante and Cesar. It's just a cheap excuse.
Face it Conte is a defense first manager at heart. We're not the only ones with a small squad. Liverpool and Spurs are blowing the weaker teams away because they have attack minded managers 

Can you ever justify dropping our most important attacker?

You sound like someone who hasn't played at all. 4 games in 12 days is without doubt A LOT of football and it's shown in both
of their performances of late.

And no he's not defensive he works with what he is given. We don't have a brilliant attacking team.


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[Jase 43,479]

14 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

 

Can you ever justify dropping our most important attacker?

You sound like someone who hasn't played at all. 4 games in 12 days is without doubt A LOT of football and it's shown in both
of their performances of late.

And no he's not defensive he works with what he is given. We don't have a brilliant attacking team.


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Just had this debate with someone on Twitter (subsequently got blocked because of disagreement ) and really don't get some fans these days. One minute they are moaning about Willian, Pedro etc. The next, they want them back in so that we can be more attacking. That fella suggested Willian/Pedro would be world beaters if they were playing under Guardiola. I get Pedro may be more effective but Willian? Some fans suddenly think these average players are better than they actually are and are being held back by Conte's supposedly negative tactics.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Just had this debate with someone on Twitter (subsequently got blocked because of disagreement ) and really don't get some fans these days. One minute they are moaning about Willian, Pedro etc. The next, they want them back in so that we can be more attacking. That fella suggested Willian/Pedro would be world beaters if they were playing under Guardiola. I get Pedro may be more effective but Willian? Some fans suddenly think these average players are better than they actually are and are being held back by Conte's supposedly negative tactics.

And also advanced in age! 4 games in less than two weeks is a lot for most let alone two guys in their 30's? Even when they were in their prime and peak of their performances we are talking about good players not great. Certainly not the centrepieces of an attacking dynamo.

I get what people would like to see, entertaining attacking football where we score 5's and 6's and keep a clean sheet in the process but that's just not what we have here. We have a manager who values hard work over relying on individual talent. In the end what you can always call on is for effort, that is the hardest part of the game to coax in today's footballer. It's the reason Jose is less effective and why Pep has to spend €500m to compensate for lack of motivation.

We have a manager who is very intelligent and tactically brilliant! What we don't have is the ability to buy whoever we want regardless of price so as a result we are relying more on team tactics than going into the transfer market and building a fantasy team.

Having said that people were moaning that we haven't done enough business in the window, they may be right on paper but in the context of a squad, how many players are advisable to bring in without disrupting the team dynamic? I mean we've seen it with so many teams who make 5/6 changes then struggle to find their feet for the entire season. Too much change isn't always a good thing, we've replaced players and not added to the squad perhaps due to this reasoning. Maybe January is another chance to add to the squad since we seem a more settled side? I don't know....

Bottom line is we need stability in order to see significant growth in the club. Conte is at the 18th month mark and we've seen him completely overhaul the team, implement a new philosophy and tactical deployment, lower the average age of the team and stabilize a sinking ship reeling from finishing 10th! All that while winning the league and coach of the year honours as well as getting to the finals of the fa cup.

My suggestion is for all the kids who started following post 2003 id to have a bit of patience because the one thing we haven't had throughout that incredible run is a real identity and coincidentally some stability.

Overhauls are expensive when the expectations are so high so my message to the conte out brigade is CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR! If Conte leaves right before a period where we are rationing our dollars because we have a new stadium to build and an owner who seems reluctant to spend at will, the club will suffer immensely!

Just some food for thought as we move forward.... Back the manager, accent what we have, and we'll be champions again!

[Jase 43,479]

 

 

[The Skipper 20,609]

Conte isn't a defensive manager... he's pragmatic. There's a difference. Last season when we easily beat most smaller side confirmed this for me. We would be so much better with more quality going forward. If we have Sandro ahead of Alonso, if we had someone like Alexis ahead of Willian etc. we'd be so much better.

Yes, Conte has made mistakes but his squad isn't great. He's at fault I would say 25%. The rest falls on the board's inability to actually upgrade the squad. This squad we have is worse than last seasons - the sooner people accept that, the better.

[El P. 1,354]

@Jason 

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The club will do its best to improve the squad in the numerical aspect

I just don't understand this. Why in the world would we need more players? Except from another back-up striker, I don't see where we need numbers. We need quality, quantity we have.

[DDA 9,929]

6 minutes ago, El P. said:

@Jason 

I just don't understand this. Why in the world would we need more players? Except from another back-up striker, I don't see where we need numbers. We need quality, quantity we have.

I think he said that so it didn't offend his current squad. Using numerical numbers is far less offensive than saying, we desperately need a LWB thus leaving Alonso thinking, "you can shove my free kicks up ya ass. All in row Z from now on".

[El P. 1,354]

1 minute ago, DDA said:

I think he said that so it didn't offend his current squad. Using numerical numbers is far less offensive than saying, we desperately need a LWB thus leaving Alonso thinking, "you can shove my free kicks up ya ass. All in row Z from now on".

Just thought of that some minutes ago. It's actually very wise of him to talk like that.

[The Skipper 20,609]

We’re somehow second. Conte’s a big reason as to why. 

[Georgy 439]

2 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

We’re somehow second. Conte’s a big reason as to why. 

If we had a bigger squad now we would be just a few points behind City. Lost points to all mug teams.

[Unionjack 7,531]

For a manager to com in and to pick up from a manager that left us in utter turmoil, lacking confidence etc to win it in your 1st season and be at this stage so far in the 2nd I dont think we could ask for much better.

And if the lads had got their shit together sooner abd yes of course bought better in the summer who knows where we would be now.

We won the league under Mou who played a pretty 1 dimensional football with us and we loaned at his continual team selection. Conte swaps and changes both formation and the players yet some still moan.

Hes not going to please everyone is he, And theres only I'd say 5 of the lads we would all like.

Lets all just hope we get some of the upgrades we need so we can have a better looking squad to tempt players to stay and attract even better ones.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

If he stays for the next couple years, Conte will prove to be a legendary manager. He is without doubt in my mind the best budgetary manager in the world. And with the current predicament of money in equalling money out, Conte is without question the guy we need to manage the expectations.

 

He's done it at Juve, Italy and now here, shoestring budgets and he's got the team playing well. Kudos to the Don!

 

 

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[Mário César 1,249]

I hope he stay with us for many many years

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

Cant believe I'm seeing people in here and on twitter saying shite like 'Conte out' and 'Morata is the new Torres'. How ungrateful are these fucking morons? I put a post up a few weeks back I think where I said Conte is best manager we've had in years and that opinion wont change regardless of if we finish 20+ points behind Man City. Hes took a side that despite winning the title under Jose, although they ran out of steam after February/March, that eventually would go on and struggle the whole of the next season and made them champions when a top 6 finish was arguably considered a challenge before a ball was kicked that year. We are now second after a poor transfer window, where he has constantly talked about a lack of numbers. Whats the problem? I feel the whole of England and the world have become overly obsessed with Pep Guardiola and Manchester City but lets not forget that the difference of quality in their squad in comparison to ours after the summer. For instance we replaced Nemanja Matic with Bakayoko... City replaced Zabaleta with Kyle Walker, Kolarov with Benjamin Mendy, Jesus Navas with Bernardo Silva... if we signed those players we'd have a better first 11/squad and would have undoubtedly have more points. What hes done with what hes got is very impressive.