The Mourinho Thread

[DYC. 7,542]

City are signing players left right and centre without an actual manager in charge..

For once, I'm pleased we haven't done the same.

They're good signings though. They're actually bringing in players that were needed, didn't expect that at all tbh.

And come on, we all know it's gonna be Pellegrini in charge.

I hope we don't take too long to strengthen our squad. Appointing Mourinho and all is fine but signing a few quality players is what we truly need to compete.

[Barbara 15,149]

I do hope Mou sticks with the plan of signing less and working more with the guys we already have, especially the youngsters.

We don't need much imo and we only have a terrible problem in the attack.

While I think we need a world class CB and another DM it's not like our defense is terrible. The main problem was in the coaching - or lack of it - last season. We had the same guys that made this defense the best in the world (imo) by the end of 11/12 season. But then you have no pattern, no tactics well defined, no one actually working to improve the team and Terry being injured that happened and we were shaky to say the least.

But we seriously need some quality in the attack. Desperately. What's the point of having Mazacar if the guys they're passing the ball to don't know what to do with it?

Ba seems to have felt the weight of our shirt, Torres should have never come - much less for 50M - and didn't do any less than I expected him to do. If he had been good I would have been surprised.

So while I wanted Lewawdowski, someone like de Rossi and someone like Varane, that's about it. I think we have chances of getting de Rossi, and hopefully a very good striker and preferably a rising star in the position as well, so Mourinho can develop him.

But what we need almost as desperately as a good striker is good coaching and that's assured when Mourinho is in the command. We suffered from bad striker as much as we suffered from bad coaching last season.

And I mean coaching, not managing. I love Roberto, but he was still limited tactically and I refuse to talk about the spanish waiter.

[bluesman2610 1,341]

Well it is thought to be Pellegrini.

Anyways, just read this:

Man City 'agree £34m fee' for Fernandinho

...........

Wow really? those guys are idiot. 34 for such a player?

But then again, can't say much since we payed 50 mill for Torres!

the 50m for Torres is hindsight man when you read his thread no one would have thought he would be as poor as he had been so you cant really say tie the two together... its like when you spend little on a player and they turn out to be fantastic every says oh what a brilliant signing for the money but you have no idea how it would turn out like marin we got him for a great price he has ben poor and not getting into the side so his purchase is considered a flop..

[Fernando 6,453]

the 50m for Torres is hindsight man when you read his thread no one would have thought he would be as poor as he had been so you cant really say tie the two together... its like when you spend little on a player and they turn out to be fantastic every says oh what a brilliant signing for the money but you have no idea how it would turn out like marin we got him for a great price he has ben poor and not getting into the side so his purchase is considered a flop..

Yes but buys like Torres, and Kaka inflate the market price.

Cause if you pay that much for piece of shit like them, then average to good players increase higher.

[Barbara 15,149]

oh I expected Torres to be bad - maybe not this bad, but definitely bad - because he has always been overrated imo. Very overrated not only by Liverpool fans, but especially by Spanish media and fans.

He was never world class and years only made it more clear, and as he's no Benjamin Button it was sort of expected that he would get even worse here... I remember as if it was yesterday my rant on twitter when I heard he had been signed. And what a rant that was, not only about the outrageous amount of money, but mainly because it was Torres of all people.

But yeah, I guess he's been even worse than I expected, despite having expected him to suck

[bluesman2610 1,341]

Yes but buys like Torres, and Kaka inflate the market price.

Cause if you pay that much for piece of shit like them, then average to good players increase higher.

but again you as a club have no way of knowning a player is not going to be full value you for money its a risk you take when you sign any player.. the fact that every so often you pay excessive amounts of money for former world class players not taking their current form into consideration.. cause at one point kaka and torres were champions and world beaters i can see you calling them poor over the last 3 seasons they have been but its not them that increase market price its just natural inflation.. operation cost of clubs have gone up and in order to help with that and also to prevent big clubs poaching players they are now putting large release clauses in contracts.. its a business now

[Term-X 7,891]

They're good signings though. They're actually bringing in players that were needed, didn't expect that at all tbh.

And come on, we all know it's gonna be Pellegrini in charge.

I hope we don't take too long to strengthen our squad. Appointing Mourinho and all is fine but signing a few quality players is what we truly need to compete.

Regardless, if a manager is in place.. a more hands on approach can be had in transfer dealings. If we sign someone now we know Mourinho would have had influence over that decision. Barcelona are run in the same way as City, but unlike the Manchester club they have an actual youth policy and a culture at the club of bringing through home-grown players. Thus the coaching staff/managers (also products of their system) know them 'inside out'.

[DYC. 7,542]

Regardless, if a manager is in place.. a more hands on approach can be had in transfer dealings. If we sign someone now we know Mourinho would have had influence over that decision. Barcelona are run in the same way as City, but unlike the Manchester club they have an actual youth policy and a culture at the club of bringing through home-grown players. Thus the coaching staff/managers (also products of their system) know them 'inside out'.

There's a truth in what your saying but we all know Pellegrini is joining them, just like we knew Moruinho was coming here before he was officialy appointed (and I think he had a say in their signings, wouldn't be the first time something like that happened).

But back to Mourinho, I'm mostly wondering how he'll make the team play. Pre-season matches, especially against inferior opponents, won't say much so I guess the signings he'll make will 'reveal the most' until the season actually starts.

[Cosmin 2,484]

http://www.lasexta.com/noticias/deportes/arbeloa-mourinho-partido-cara-han-partido-defender-club_2013060500163.html

Arbeloa proving that he has balls. Class act.

[Yeboii 1,844]

http://www.lasexta.com/noticias/deportes/arbeloa-mourinho-partido-cara-han-partido-defender-club_2013060500163.html

Arbeloa proving that he has balls. Class act.

What is he saying?

[Cosmin 2,484]

"Mourinho did everything that was in his power for Real Madrid. Not many of the people who acused him or the players can say this. We are a club whose players think about themself mainly and then about the others, the team or the colours. "

"Some of the players don't like a coach who doesn't let you waste time, or relax. And Mourinho was this type of coach. Personally, I like that side of him."

"What happened to him happened even to Del Bosque in the past. When the club signed him, everyone was happy about how good he is. Only nice words. But after he started his work, the media started the criticism, which is not a normal thing. It's painful and it causes trouble for those who are at the club or around him, in general, which is not good at all."

"That's how I feel and many times I felt like I was paying for defending Mourinho. But these are my honest thoughts about him."

"I must admit that this has been my worst season since I'm a footballer. The trouble in my personal life affected my game"

That's a translation that I'm not so sure about (and I apologize about that), but I think the main ideas are pretty clear for everyone.

[Barbara 15,149]

I still don't like Arbeloa as a player, but it's so nice and refreshing to hear a player being so outspoken about such a messed up situation like the one Mourinho had in Madrid's locker room.

He's a nice guy, he just isn't good playing football.

I think at the end of the day it was RM's loss and I don't know which kind of manager could work for them. They have a great team with huge egos for different reasons and while I think at times Mourinho didn't deal well with it, that's how he deals with things and a few players are responsible for what happened.

I'm a Madridista and it hurts me to see the club in a position where some of the bloody players think they're bigger than the club and own it, while others think they know everything that is to know. This galactic thing only makes it worse and I wonder what's going to happen there. They forget where they were in UCL before Mourinho went there and I feel like that's they're fated to go again. It breaks my heart, but at the same time I'm tired of this shit.

[Rmpr 8,977]

I'd trust Mourinho selling Mata. I think we overrate him (sorry) just slightly. He goes missing in a lot of games despite pulling something out the bag and he really is not a playmaker; he's simply an attacking midfielder (like Iniesta is an attacking midfielder whereas Silva would be a playmaker).

Mourinho likes proper playmakers in advanced positions like Deco, Sneijder and Ozil - something we currently don't have.

I don't think there's substance to the Marca story at all, but I would on a level understand the reasoning.

I'd be upset though. My favourite player Mata is.

[Rmpr 8,977]

I think you made a decent point, but I think the bigger issue that could affect Mata is Oscar.

When we signed Oscar, I thought he was a potential ballon d'or winner. But this season he's been moved out of position to accomodate Mata who has himself been quite remarkable. The problem is that Mata doesn't contribute enough defensively, whereas Oscar is a tenacious little git with a real bite about him.

I'm not sure if we'll sell him, but I think that for Oscar to reach his peak then Mata has to move aside (to the wing or elsewhere) and I think that Oscar has the higher ceiling in terms of what they could become. It's damn near heresy to discuss such a thing and I love everything about Mata both on the pitch and off it, but I think this is an issue that will grow over the next 12 months.

I agree with all of that, I jut dont see where selling Mata enters in this equation. If Mourinho likes Oscar and thinks he will become the better player, then bench Mata (who has an immense character and isnt even expensive) ffs!

Who will he buy to replace Mata (because we would still need a substitute CAM)? Wesley Sneijder? C'MON, GIVE ME A BREAK!

Funny that Leif liked your post though, because the last time I checked he said Coutinho is better than Oscar!

[Leif 6,006]

because the last time I checked he said Coutinho is better than Oscar!

Must half your posts revolve around me? I said Coutinho had contributed more to Liverpool since his arrival, which he had if you go by stats, and that he was in better form for a month.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

He's been talking to Sky..

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8759277/Premier-League-Jose-Mourinho-is-planning-a-long-second-stint-at-Chelsea

"The players need stability and I am in Chelsea to give that stability to the team and players, and I am going to stay a long time."

[Jase 43,479]

He's been talking to Sky..

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8759277/Premier-League-Jose-Mourinho-is-planning-a-long-second-stint-at-Chelsea

"The players need stability and I am in Chelsea to give that stability to the team and players, and I am going to stay a long time."

And he also said this in there...

"I have a big emotional connection with the club, I have got a very young team in my hands with a lot of very young talented players, it's time to develop the players."

Unless something nonsense really happens, I really hope he stays for a long time and develop the team into how we all would like it to be.

Also, Hazard said this...

"They already knew for a long time at Chelsea that he was going to sign and they all told me that it would be a good thing for me," Hazard said. "José Mourinho is someone special and it's a pleasure to have him as a coach.

"Maybe in the first training session I will be a bit intimidated – after all, it's José Mourinho. But he is also a man, with two arms and two legs and so, in the end, I will have a normal relationship with him, just as I have with my previous coaches."

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jun/05/chelsea-eden-hazard-jose-mourinho

[Rmpr 8,977]

Must half your posts revolve around me? I said Coutinho had contributed more to Liverpool since his arrival, which he had if you go by stats, and that he was in better form for a month.

I have 8k posts, not even 100 of them are about you!

And no, you didn't say that. You said that Coutinho has impressed you more than Oscar and gave two vague stats to try to prove it. Liking a post saying Oscar might be a Balloon D'or and that his celling is higher than Mata, totally contradicts your previous statement.

Also, a quick walkthrough on Mata's thread and anyone can see you are the one who most overhype and love him. Then you post 'we' overrate Juan and you would understand Mourinho selling him? All of that because of what? You accept anything and everything Mourinho does?

Mata is the best CAM in EPL and won two consecutive Chelsea's Player of the Year awards. There is absolutely no reason to sell him, even if Jose Mourinho decides he is not first team material (which is already stupid in itself), there is no logical reason to sell. If Mourinho sells him and buys Sneijder, he shouldn't get a pass just because he is The Special One. That would be the most idiotic transfer in our history (ok, maybe second). Mata gives us a lot and he is an excellent idol for kids, he enhances our brand and likability. Besides giving extreme quality to our midfield, of course. On top of that, he is not an expensive player to have in our squad and he is still young. You simply don't sell what, in the worst case scenario, will be a very good second option in your Attacking Midfield! Wesley Sneijder's transfer is only good for him, not for Chelsea. He is expensive, relatively old, past his prime and will not be so happy to be Oscar's substitute. Chelsea cant benefit more with him than with our little Spanish Wizard (yes, I do love Mata). On the other hand, Chelsea gives a gigantic media exposure and the possibility of trophies for the Holland international. If Mourinho honestly (which I very much doubt) articulates a deal for Juan to get out and Wesley to get in, this will be one of the most egoistical moves by Jose Mourinho...

You have no formulated opinion, you follow the flow and completely change your points of view depending on what is trending. Ridiculous!