The Mourinho Thread

[Jase 43,479]

Well we did similar with Sturridge, I remember people saying how great Fergie was with youth and we should follow his example with Cleverly and Welbeck conviently forgetting we did exactly the same for Danny.

If say Ake goes on loan like they did and proved his PL pedigree im sure he would come back to us and play.

He's already played in the Premier League with us two seasons ago and has proved he can cope with it. But whatever reason, Mourinho doesn't play him.

On Sturridge, we did send him out on loan but he wasn't our youth academy product, was he? And you only mentioned the players who came from the United academy in your previous post but suddenly brought up one that didn't come from our academy?

[ZOS 580]

too long have we suffered from the incompetency of Ivanovic and Cahill and too long has Jose left the matter unheeded.. wake up Jose

[Polo7 3,496]

Why after many good games has Zouma been put back on the bench? Thats my only problem with Mourinho!

[lionsden 4,689]

Tbh United and Fergie were living off the golden generation a bit.

The only players he really promoted from academy in after Fletcher in 2003 was Cleverly and Welbeck and that was only after they proved themselves on loan. Bar the Da Silva brother's no one was really promoted from scratch,.ie no prior first team experience.

I disagree. apart from the 92 class. These are list of youth that Fergie promoted into the first team and went on to nudge huge amount of games under their belt. Wes brown, Fletcher,Oshea,Cleverly, da silva twins and Welbeck.

And others like Gibson, Macheda et al were given opportunities but later moved on when it became clear they weren't good enough. If that's not impressive for an absolutely elite team with even bigger pressure to challenge for trophies than us then I don't know what is.

[Stingray 9,441]

Why after many good games has Zouma been put back on the bench? Thats my only problem with Mourinho!

I agree, he overly relies on his old school discipels. It has an advantage, but when off form like now, it screams rigidity.

[stroey 2,525]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9772448

Post match Hull

[Spike 12,049]

I asked to bring examples bar them two. Both of them are extraordinary talents that were brought in not exactly for small money. He's been in management for 15 years, so far we have only two very recent examples. Any more? I'm genuinely asking because I'm not that familiar in depth what he did outside of Chelsea.

Davide Santon at Inter Milan.

[Joker10 946]

Giggs, Scholes, Neville came in at a different generation, that was before the money and popularity of the league. failure of youth adaption is more of a England issue, then specific clubs or managers for that matter.

[manpe 10,861]

In post-match interview Jose said he had full confidence that some of the individual defensive performances would return to normal soon. He was most likely alluding to Ivanovic and maybe Cahill. So no chance of them getting dropped, maybe except Cahill for a game or two.

[didierforever 7,349]

Why after many good games has Zouma been put back on the bench? Thats my only problem with Mourinho!

and iva.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Giggs, Scholes, Neville came in at a different generation, that was before the money and popularity of the league. failure of youth adaption is more of a England issue, then specific clubs or managers for that matter.

This is Mourinho thread and Mourinho managed like 1/3 of his managerial career in England. He had a problem in bringing youth whenever he has been.

[LAB 1,030]

Perfect subs and half time talk obviously, but can't be forgiven for the unlimited trust to Iva and GC i'm afraid. Especially Iva.

Just bench him Jose for once! Just try it ffs!

[Henrique 9,133]

For me its clear only a disaster will avoid the League trophy at the end of the season.

But I think its really weird that some people just don't accept any kind of criticism after a victory or because the team is 6 points clear on top of the league with one game in hand. Its really hard to imagine this team enjoying a long term success without major changes.

Its the greatest challenge of Mourinho's career. In last 10 years Mourinho managed clubs that only needed small adjustments. Chelsea in 2004 was a side that reached UCL semi-final and was runner-up in PL. Gudjonsen, Cole, Bridge, Damien Duff, Gallas, Makelele, Lampard and Terry were there before Jose. Inter de Milao was the best team in Italy for seasons. 9 out of 14 players used in UCL Final in 2010 were playing for the Italian club before Jose arrived. The same happened in Madrid, where he failed.

When Mourinho got back, Chelsea was a Europa League side, and struggled to be a top 4 side in PL. A team full of unproven and decadent players.

I'm not sure Jose is the right man to build teams. He is a winner, not an engineer. Last season he realized players like KDB, Mata and Luiz were not "Mourinho players". Instead of changing some of his dogmas, or taking time to teach his players a new way of playing football, he favored the mediocrity of Ivanovic, Cahill, Azpillicueta, Willian and Ramires. In January window he went to buy Matic, a limited and conservative DM.

His back four were created in a difficult momento of the season. Months later he was saying the back four was the team strongest point...in defense we need a completely overhaul. Terry was not even an untouchable player anymore during 2011/2013 period. Mourinho decided he was as good as in 2005, and now he is one of our players that started 100% of PL games this season. He is not as good as 2005. Ivanovic must find another club next season, or must become squad player. Cahill has always been mediocre. Azpilicueta is not even a great RB, but become Mourinho favorite LB (!!!!).

Ramires was player of the season in 2011/12 season, was very important in 12/13, but he belongs to past. His performance this season has been a disgrace. Willian is a solid squad player, he will never be a protagonist. Costa need some kind of competition. He has 18 goals, the 2nd team top scorer is Hazard with only 10.

This team need more dynamism in the midfield. Matic is very limited to one specific kind of game. Fabregas is a shy player. He won't decide any big match by himself.

Next season to be honest I think United will be a very dominant team, they are definitely the most solid team in this second leg of the season. They improved during the tournament, while our team seems to play worst game after game.

Mourinho returning in a moment when the team was full of attacking and exciting players seemed to announce years of dominance, but I'm really afraid the PL trophy this year might be an exception, not the rule.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Never mind coaching attacking football, I want to know why are we doing things that are very un-Mourinho.

- Our defence has gone to pieces in 2015 and yet nothing has changed. We've been making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

- For a side filled with tall and big physical players, we aren't scoring enough from set pieces. In fact, we can't even take a proper corner/free kick without hitting the first man! We need to study Atletico Madrid.

- Can't barely score from counter attacks despite having some quick players. Can't even remember the last time we scored from a counter!

Those aspects are usually the 3 strongest points of any Mourinho team and yet, we don't even resemble any of them right now.

This exactly. Weird

[zolayes 14,489]

@ Henrique ...You have made a lot of valid points

[Spike 12,049]

Agreed with everything except labelling Azpilicueta as 'mediocre'.

[Henrique 9,133]

@ Henrique ...You have made a lot of valid points

as usual...

[Spike 12,049]

as usual...

Modesty is free.