The Mourinho Thread

[TrippingStep 336]

I really don't understand why it's a surprise we look average when the other team let us have the ball.

If it was the case with Chelsea first time with world class midfielders and at Real Madrid, why would we look better with inferior deeper midfielders that all previous Mourinho team.

If it happened against Aston Villa, not bothering attacking Manchester United, against Norwich that had more chances to score the winner in the second half, against Basel.

When we put more pressure in attack, we don't look to have a clear plan and leave huge spaces between our central midfield and central defense.

After all the matches this year and previous Mourinho team, I think the best is to accept that Mourinho's team are better when they let the other team have the possession and play quick counters.

What is annoying is that the premier league since 2008-2009 have a majority of teams much better defensively when they don't have the ball, not pressing like headless chickens like a lot of teams used to do.

[Barbara 15,149]

You're going way out of your way and getting upset all because I said a player which I have been praising all season and which everybody could see that he had a bad game today, should have been subbed off..well, as long as you're not being too defensive about it...

no, I'm going out of my way because you said I made it personal when I didn't, so if you said I made, I better make.

I don't mind you calling me a fangirl, as the post said, but I didn't make it personal, Nour. I just disagreed with you.

I did say in the live match thread and in my twitter account - both which you can check, that Oscar should be subbed off for Willian, Nour. This isn't me defending him blindly. This is me defending him from being as bad as you're making him out to be. I did agree it was his worst match of the season, I did say maybe if Mata had stayed and Oscar had been subbed, Mata could have produced the same Oscar did.

I just disagreed about how bad he was... and then I was upset you said I made this personal, when I don't feel I did - even if I ignored (or didn't mind) you calling me a fangirl because I know you did this in a 'good' way, if such thing exist, meaning we're close enough or me to know you aren't really offending me, just interpreting an action.

Let's hug and forget this (but I'm answering your questions in the previous post - in a PM, unless you want the answer to be in the thread)

[The only place to be 11,313]

TOPTB says some people have an agenda, then bashes Mata for everyone's failures, and at the same time defends Lampard, lolz.

I didn't bash Mata for everyone's failures just looked for a reason why the whole play of the team looked so disjointed.

I said that Lampard had a bad game.

I'm not sure I've used the word agenda today.

So I'm not sure if you want to edit that post or not, but none of it seems that accurate (much like Lampard and Ramires's passing today).

[Sidzeret 2,257]

Any top striker would have struggled out there today, the service was shocking

Like always

[Sidzeret 2,257]

TOPTB says some people have an agenda, then bashes Mata for everyone's failures, and at the same time defends Lampard, lolz.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

no, I'm going out of my way because you said I made it personal when I didn't, so if you said I made, I better make.

I don't mind you calling me a fangirl, as the post said, but I didn't make it personal, Nour. I just disagreed with you.

I did say in the live match thread and in my twitter account - both which you can check, that Oscar should be subbed off for Willian, Nour. This isn't me defending him blindly. This is me defending him from being as bad as you're making him out to be. I did agree it was his worst match of the season, I did say maybe if Mata had stayed and Oscar had been subbed, Mata could have produced the same Oscar did.

I just disagreed about how bad he was... and then I was upset you said I made this personal, when I don't feel I did - even if I ignored (or didn't mind) you calling me a fangirl because I know you did this in a 'good' way, if such thing exist, meaning we're close enough or me to know you aren't really offending me, just interpreting an action.

Let's hug and forget this (but I'm answering your questions in the previous post - in a PM, unless you want the answer to be in the thread)

I didn't mean that you made it personal as in you insulted me personally, I said you were taking it personally as in you were being too defensive about it.

But now you made it personal by talking about hugs which you know I hate!

I apologize for my rudeness, I'm just having a bad day

[The_Flash 1,144]

Luiz and Mata becomes the scapegoat. Not fair.

a collective failure today

Totally, as the game started I was so excited really feel like crap now, and they say football is just a game

[Sheva. 5,373]

I didn't bash Mata for everyone's failures just looked for a reason why the whole play of the team looked so disjointed.

I said that Lampard had a bad game.

I'm not sure I've used the word agenda today.

So I'm not sure if you want to edit that post or not, but none of it seems that accurate (much like Lampard and Ramires's passing today).

Actually i think it was stingray who said agenda, my bad. But the point is still valid, you have used Mata as an excuse for Lampard not playing well and others like Torres and Oscar also not doing well.

Like i said before the game, Mata deserved to play after doing well against Arsenal, but it's Mourinho's fault for playing Oscar out wide, because in his mind Oscar has the divine right to start and finish every game, regardless of performance.

Mata alone in the team didn't result in this performance. The team selection as a whole did, and players who were preferred like Cole, Lampard and Torres were terrible to put it nicely.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Actually i think it was stingray who said agenda, my bad. But the point is still valid, you have used Mata as an excuse for Lampard not playing well and others like Torres and Oscar also not doing well.

Yes I have.

Like i said before the game, Mata deserved to play after doing well against Arsenal, but it's Mourinho's fault for playing Oscar out wide, because in his mind Oscar has the divine right to start and finish every game, regardless of performance.

Actually Oscar doesn't. He's not started every game, he's also not finished every game.

As for Mata, it's great that he helped us win in the League Cup. Oscar helped us beat Man City in the league....and he's been the best player in our squad this season so he shouldn't have been moved in my opinion.

Mata alone in the team didn't result in this performance. The team selection as a whole did, and players who were preferred like Cole, Lampard and Torres were terrible to put it nicely.

I think other players let themselves down, but in terms of the tempo of the performance I think you get something different when you select Mata over Oscar and I think that has an impact on the players around the number 10 (which is pretty much everyone because it's such an important position in our system.

Oscar knots together the defence, midfield and attack when he plays that role. He drops deep to pick the ball of the defence, he knocks it around the pivot and he pops up behind and alongside the striker. When you change the person doing that job, you change the relationship every player has with one another.

It wasn't the only reason we underperformed today, but I think it was one of the major ones.

But that's just my opinion - I might have an agenda. Or I might have used the word agenda....once. Or someone I know used the word agenda...or maybe the word gender. Who knows?

[bushman 2,043]

To blame anybody individually is just plain arrogant. Blame the whole team for today´s shitty performance, that would be appropriate. Jose better wake up soon & choose his team to play regularly. Otherwise, these wholesale changes are leading nowhere.

[Sheva. 5,373]

I think other players let themselves down, but in terms of the tempo of the performance I think you get something different when you select Mata over Oscar and I think that has an impact on the players around the number 10 (which is pretty much everyone because it's such an important position in our system.

Oscar knots together the defence, midfield and attack when he plays that role. He drops deep to pick the ball of the defence, he knocks it around the pivot and he pops up behind and alongside the striker. When you change the person doing that job, you change the relationship every player has with one another.

It wasn't the only reason we underperformed today, but I think it was one of the major ones.

But that's just my opinion - I might have an agenda. Or I might have used the word agenda....once. Or someone I know used the word agenda...or maybe the word gender. Who knows?

You think Mata just decided by himself he won't go back and get the ball from defence? something he did so many times last season.

For a player who has been in and out of the team like he has, he will act strictly on Mourinho's orders.

Mourinho wants him to defend, he does. Mourinho wants him on the right 1 minute and middle the other, he does that. Mourinho wants him to stay further up the pitch when Luiz and Terry are knocking it around, he does that.

[Barbara 15,149]

I didn't mean that you made it personal as in you insulted me personally, I said you were taking it personally as in you were being too defensive about it.

But now you made it personal by talking about hugs which you know I hate!

I apologize for my rudeness, I'm just having a bad day

well, I doubt any Chelsea fan could possibly be having a good day today after that, unless they met the love of their lives (or had a great time with the already found ones), won the lottery, or something to that effect

The hug was carefully calculated (I normally say kiss and make up). Anyway, all forgiven and forgotten, and I guess I was defensive... so both wrong, both right.

As I said I'm answering your questions in the previous post. Colors show which part I'm answering.

Well my eyes disagree with your stats. Can you tell me how many times Oscar touched the ball between minute 55 and 80? Because I literally remember one. Unlike Oscar, Mata and Hazard were trying to make things happen; Mata with passes and Eden with attempted dribbles. Both the chances that you are talking about were in the last 10 minutes when he decided to wake up after it was way too late. Of course he had more touches on the ball than Mata who played 35-40 minutes less than him.

Oscar played only 34 minutes more than Mata.

Oscar had 18 passes in those 25 minutes (55-80), 12 of which completed. Compared to when Mata was in the pitch, Oscar had only twice (37) from 0-60 minutes, meaning he took more responsibility when Mata was subbed off.

Here are the passes from both so you can compare the area and what he was attempting to do

But if you compare where Oscar was passing to Hazard and Mata, you'll realize he was more in the third final than Mata was, Hazard the most of them.

Oscar: 45,37% (actions, not only passes)

Mata: 34,33% (actions, not only passes)

Hazard: 56,80% (actions, not only passes) In addition of showing his passes, I'm showing his take-ons (which should include his dribbles)

And finally the heat maps, showing among other things Mata was too deep. We should have played him closer to Hazard (who was most time in the third final) and Torres. (I'm not blaming Mata, he was going back in an attempt to fill the gap our terrible pivot left)

I'm not going to screencap all of it for you (sort of lazy, (also have to make you work a bit for it lol, sort of a bad day too)

Here's the link:

http://epl.squawka.com/newcastle-united-vs-chelsea/02-11-2013/english-barclays-premier-league/matches

edit: also the performance score shows you that Oscar was one of the 'best' out there, with 21... and that's different than whoscored ridic rating. This is summing up all scores in all actions they take - something similar to what I do in my scouting except they subtract the negative from the positive.

[zolayes 14,489]

Why we lost ...In one word Complacency ...or you could say Arrogance ....the 1st half was so easy for us ,, We assumed the goals and win would come automatically.

When the Barcodes realised we werent putting in 100 % they gained confidence and were by far the best team in the second half..

Be sure butts will have been kicked hard after that performance

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Simple : Mentally we are still learning the José way.Simple

[CHOULO19 24,332]

@Barbara, well I obviously need to watch the match again! Very surprised by some of those stats, tbh.

[Barbara 15,149]

@Barbara, well I obviously need to watch the match again! Very surprised by some of those stats, tbh.

I'll rewatch too, then we talk again. I was too pissed at some points to really pay enough attention all while doing the report for Chelsea Brasil that needed to be published within 10 minutes from the end of the match. So I spent most of the match taking notes and being pissed or frustrated. I need to re-watch it clinically - although I don't feel like that will be a good experience

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I'll rewatch too, then we talk again. I was too pissed at some points to really pay enough attention all while doing the report for Chelsea Brasil that needed to be published within 10 minutes from the end of the match. So I spent most of the match taking notes and being pissed or frustrated. I need to re-watch it clinically - although I don't feel like that will be a good experience

I'll rewatch it only because I need an excuse to get out of studying tomorrow morning

[bushman 2,043]

Charts, stats one may put them....it´s very simple, to me. The whole team was not ready to perform today. Who´s fault is it ?

I do not want to accuse anybody, but if I remember well, Jose is still the coach. One thing I may forgive him, it´s not an easy job to choose players from such a gifted bunch. I believe, he must make his squad of 22 players tops & play them, regularly. These fucking A & B teams scenario are going to under-perform sometimes. Footballers are like a fine tuned racing car, needs to be run, used. Most of today´s players were legged, stale or however one wants to call it. In plain English, not tuned finely.