Ossie the King 634 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 37 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Rafa to be sacked according to some media today. What's his missus said about that I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 28 minutes ago, Fernando said: I kinda liked Rafa when he was here, there was some progress at the end of the season. But oh well, too bad many people don't like him. Lool, I actually do feel sorry for him - to an extent. His failed media wars with SAF & Mourinho damaged him, rivals saw him as weak and naive. He's a knock-out competition manager, his track record proves that considering he's won both major European Cups, both with English teams as it happens! But he's one of those guys you'll either get along with really well or you won't and that'll be very damaging esp for Rafa. Terry didn't want him at Chelsea (much like the fans) & he's reportedly having problems with James at Real. Towards the end of his Liverpool tenure it was said Gerrard & Torres weren't happy with him either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossie the King 634 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 7 minutes ago, LDN Blue said: Lool, I actually do feel sorry for him - to an extent. His failed media wars with SAF & Mourinho damaged him, rivals saw him as weak and naive. He's a knock-out competition manager, his track record proves that considering he's won both major European Cups, both with English teams as it happens! But he's one of those guys you'll either get along with really well or you won't and that'll be very damaging esp for Rafa. Terry didn't want him at Chelsea (much like the fans) & he's reportedly having problems with James at Real. Towards the end of his Liverpool tenure it was said Gerrard & Torres weren't happy with him either. Odds on him coming back here next December when we sack Brendan Rodgers? If Mourinho isn't going to Madrid then there's really only one other job left for him, unless he plans to go in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 40 minutes ago, Mana said: Yeah, just heard about that (Rafa). Yikes. Only because RM are 4 points behind the top! Also it's said that Zidane's the one to replace him, not Mourinho. It has nothing to do with being 4 points behind. It has to do with ALL PLAYERS not wanting him, they even wrote a letter to Florentino asking for him to keep Carlo and he ignored it. Now, with voting taking place soon and the fans utterly upset with their president, this is Florentino admiting he fucked upbig time and he obviously dont want the voters unhappy (aka the members). Blue-in-me-Veins and Ossie the King 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just now, Ossie the King said: Odds on him coming back here next December when we sack Brendan Rodgers? Right I don't feel that sorry for him He was never going to get fan approval at Chelsea, certainly not openly. We can admit amongst ourselves he actually did a job when he got here, finished top 3 with some silverware to show for it, but he even knew how unforgiving SB crowd could be. He did get a respectful goodbye though. Ossie the King 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossie the King 634 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Rmpr said: It has nothing to do with being 4 points behind. It has to do with ALL PLAYERS not wanting him, they even wrote a letter to Florentino asking for him to keep Carlo and he ignored it. Now, with voting taking place soon and the fans utterly upset with their president, this is Florentino admiting he fucked upbig time and he obviously dont want the voters unhappy (aka the members). Although we can all laugh at Real Madrid, I do envy the fact that they elect presidents to their position. I'm not too au fait with the way it works but at least there's some accountability there. If only we had something similar. Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I just can't see him going back to Real so soon with much of the players still there. I think those bridges are burned... Peace., Ossie the King and Starman60 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 When will the "Rafa did well for us" myth stop ? Chelsea was 3 points off the top when he came, in the run for winning the Club world cup and in the two english Cups as well. He finished 15 POINTS off the champions, that is a disgrace, even we, in this disastrous situation have only 19 points off Arsenal at the moment, I don't think people here realize how bad he coped with the Premier League... Won the Europa League, struggling against the likes of Rubin Kazan and needing an injury time winner against the likes of Sparta Prague... We really don't care, we had better objectives, which were mainly qualify for next season champion's league, but also challenge for the title, we lost FA Cup semis, Carling cup semis and CWC final while getting -12 points under him on the league... Essien19 and Viper22 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! LDN Blue 7,903 Posted January 4, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted January 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, Adnane said: When will the "Rafa did well for us" myth stop ? Chelsea was 3 points off the top when he came, in the run for winning the Club world cup and in the two english Cups as well. He finished 15 POINTS off the champions, that is a disgrace, even we, in this disastrous situation have only 19 points off Arsenal at the moment, I don't think people here realize how bad he coped with the Premier League... Won the Europa League, struggling against the likes of Rubin Kazan and needing an injury time winner against the likes of Sparta Prague... We really don't care, we had better objectives, which were mainly qualify for next season champion's league, but also challenge for the title, we lost FA Cup semis, Carling cup semis and CWC final while getting -12 points under him on the league... Lol let's not be hypocrites mate. That season was a disaster Rafa or no Rafa. At that time he was the only one who made that midfield of Oscar, Mata and Hazard actually work - Thank fuck we got rid of that terrible incorporated nickname they made up on here. Let's face it, under Di Matteo we were a sinking ship. Rafa somewhat stabilised it. You can write off the EL win as much as you want, but we all celebrated it like it was any other trophy - In fact it was our second European Cup in as many years! The fact there's an argument on this forum that we should qualify for the EL and win it goes a long way to prove that. You can belittle the way we won too, but let's not forget how close we came to being battered by Bayern in 2012 I didn't like the bloke as much as anyone, but he did do 'well for us' imo.. Muzchap, Tomo, positivefootball and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 The debate for Europa League only stands today because of the opportunity of that winning it gives you, playing the Champions League. That wasn't the case at the time and I celebrated it madly as well, but we were playing really, really bad against teams like Prague and needing injury time winners at home to qualify, doesn't mean it's a "bad win", just means that we were really lucky and that Di Matteo would have probably won it as well. Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, Adnane said: The debate for Europa League only stands today because of the opportunity of that winning it gives you, playing the Champions League. That wasn't the case at the time and I celebrated it madly as well, but we were playing really, really bad against teams like Prague and needing injury time winners at home to qualify, doesn't mean it's a "bad win", just means that we were really lucky and that Di Matteo would have probably won it as well. Yeah but if it was so easy why don't English clubs win it more consistently? It's one of the reasons I'm against us qualifying for the EL in the first place; long travels coupled with having to play on the Thursday without a Football Association unwilling to help such clubs is a hindrance. Trying to then balance the issues of qualifying for the CL with a top 4 finish was harder than it looked so credit where it's due. Rafa's instructions were to qualify in top 4 and win a trophy or 2.. Which he did. Let's not forget personnel wise. Signed Demba Ba for £7m in Jan and made the decision to move Luiz from CB to CM & Ivanovic from RB to CB; those 2 moves in particular sparked us actually beginning to win games. Like I said, I don't like the bloke and hope he never comes back to Chelsea. His campaign started awfully as well, loss to QPR iirc. But by the end he'd done what he came to do and really didn't damage us in any way. Beepu, Fernando and Muzchap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 3 points of United when he took the team. 15 points off the champions in the end of the season. That's just horrible. Tautvix, Essien19 and Viper22 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Adnane said: 3 points of United when he took the team. 15 points off the champions in the end of the season. That's just horrible. Agreed, but that season was heading in one direction Rafa or no Rafa. As I said before, I think he stabilised a rocking ship - We'll both agree to the fact we're happy he's gone and never coming back Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I don't know about that, I think a lot of managers would have done a better job. I can't forgive joking about our fans then losing to QPR at home, no, I just can't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just now, Adnane said: I don't know about that, I think a lot of managers would have done a better job. I can't forgive joking about our fans then losing to QPR at home, no, I just can't... Tbh I'm not asking you to, neither do I. It was more on the merits of what he actually did with this team.. Just remember, we didn't have Costa, Fabregas, Matic or even Drogba at this time either. Sturridge had left for Liverpool and we were down to Torres & Ba only. Hell our double pivot in the EL final was Lampard-Luiz, that's a big insight into the shape of our team at that time. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,598 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Madrid Calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Mourinho took the same team within 4 points of the champions ( and a couple of dropped points at home on the road ), and to the semis of the CL. Not comparing Mourinho to Benitez, the comparison doesn't even stand for me, but saying that he had a bad team, maybe, I'd even say for sure since it showed its limitations afterwards, but he had the team to at least challenge for the title till the last 3-4 games. LDN Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just now, Adnane said: Mourinho took the same team within 4 points of the champions ( and a couple of dropped points at home on the road ), and to the semis of the CL. Not comparing Mourinho to Benitez, the comparison doesn't even stand for me, but saying that he had a bad team, maybe, I'd even say for sure since it showed its limitations afterwards, but he had the team to at least challenge for the title till the last 3-4 games. I do agree with that. He should have done better and of course Mourinho is 1,000% the manager Rafa is so it's no surprise what Mourinho did with that team in 2013-14. He could do nothing about the CL though, once Juventus had beaten us in Di Matteo's last game there was no way for us to come back. Rafa actually won the last group game 6-1 remember? Adnane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Of course, never spoke about the Champions League By the way our CL was exceptional wasn't it ? I think we were standing almong the best third ranked teams throughout the history of the CL Groupe phase or something ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,754 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Adnane said: When will the "Rafa did well for us" myth stop ? Chelsea was 3 points off the top when he came, in the run for winning the Club world cup and in the two english Cups as well. He finished 15 POINTS off the champions, that is a disgrace, even we, in this disastrous situation have only 19 points off Arsenal at the moment, I don't think people here realize how bad he coped with the Premier League... Won the Europa League, struggling against the likes of Rubin Kazan and needing an injury time winner against the likes of Sparta Prague... We really don't care, we had better objectives, which were mainly qualify for next season champion's league, but also challenge for the title, we lost FA Cup semis, Carling cup semis and CWC final while getting -12 points under him on the league... Blaming Rafa for falling off United is like blaming Jose for coming in and finishing below Liverpool, United dropped something like ten points during Rafa's whole reign at Chelsea (three of which against us after they won the league), the team we had that season weren't good enough to win the league. He came in and made us a more solid unit, we were a lot more competitive in the big games (won two draw one vs United, beat Arsenal, drew vs Spurs and Liverpool, did lose to.City tho), he got us consistent results in big games which we lacked since the double season, something as well we know Jose built on. He also had not a great firstXl to work with never mind depth and got us 3rd place with the bonus of a trophy, he also did it with a record breaking run of fixtures. Did I like him? Not really, Did I want him full time over Jose's return? God no, would I ever want him back? Defiantly not, but he did a good job under difficult circumstances and deserves credit for that. Muzchap, Henrique, LDN Blue and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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