The Mourinho Thread

[Fernando 6,586]

I dont even think Guardiola is better. I am confident Jose would have dominated with that Barca side and would also romp the Bundesliga with the current Bayern side. However, would guardiola have won the CL with Porto? Would he have won the treble with Inter? Mourinho get's slated for his Madrid tenure, but he lost 1-2 more games than Ancelotti currently has, but in roughly 50 more matches. He set points records, goals scored, away wins etc.

It's jealousy and bitterness. Also, ever single opposition fan who says they wouldn't want him managing their team is talking out of their backside. 100%

I can also say the same thing in the case for Guardiola of jealousy and bitterness of those that discredit him.

It's easy to say oh if he had this squad he would have done this, and yati yati ya.

It's like those that also say if this manager had the money that Mourinho had it would have been different.

All if, should have, could have, would have scenarios.

Waste of time contemplating that.

[Fernando 6,586]

What do you mean if we continue like this next season? You mean winning the League Cup, bar us literally throwing the title away, be champions. And up to this moment only losing 3! Yes THREE!! games in all comps all season long. Don't see how if he carries that on next season there should be consideration for a change of manager to be honest with you.

You only took one quote and completely disregard what was said before...

[Barbara 15,149]

Is it really a bad idea to create The Mourinho Moaning Thread?

I'd love not to read some posts.

I think if people are unhappy with him and his methods, if they're setting deadlines for him to change, if they think he's outdated, if they have a list of managers that could replace him, wouldn't it be nice if they had a thread for them to bring all their feelings out without others calling them off. It's a win-win situations. We - the people who have minor problems with him won't have to read through pages and pages of what we consider bullshit, and they - the people that can barely stand Mourinho ahead of Chelsea would have even more freedom to tell whatever they please without having someone to criticize their points of view.

I'm not kidding, I'm as serious as a heart attack.

For some people Mourinho really represents Chelsea, he's one of us. Other managers that were at Chelsea in recent years don't come even close to what Mourinho represents for the club and many (probably most) of its supporters. He's a class of his own, which is why I think we could make an exception and allow him to have two threads. It's tiresome for both sides. Then when someone feels compelled to have a discussion, they go to the Moaning thread (ofc the name is a joke, it should be something else) and have a discussion, and people who want to criticize him without going as far as some like to go in every single posts of them (and they're numerous), come here and another discussion happens.

[Fernando 6,586]

Is it really a bad idea to create The Mourinho Moaning Thread?

I'd love not to read some posts.

I think if people are unhappy with him and his methods, if they're setting deadlines for him to change, if they think he's outdated, if they have a list of managers that could replace him, wouldn't it be nice if they had a thread for them to bring all their feelings out without others calling them off. It's a win-win situations. We - the people who have minor problems with him won't have to read through pages and pages of what we consider bullshit, and they - the people that can barely stand Mourinho ahead of Chelsea would have even more freedom to tell whatever they please without having someone to criticize their points of view.

I'm not kidding, I'm as serious as a heart attack.

For some people Mourinho really represents Chelsea, he's one of us. Other managers that were at Chelsea in recent years don't come even close to what Mourinho represents for the club and many (probably most) of its supporters. He's a class of his own, which is why I think we could make an exception and allow him to have two threads. It's tiresome for both sides. Then when someone feels compelled to have a discussion, they go to the Moaning thread (ofc the name is a joke, it should be something else) and have a discussion, and people who want to criticize him without going as far as some like to go in every single posts of them (and they're numerous), come here and another discussion happens.

No!

There's an ignore button if you don't like people saying certain stuff.

[Barbara 15,149]

No!

There's an ignore button if you don't like people saying certain stuff.

I have around 30 people on my ignore list... some pages in some threads is one line after another saying You're ignoring XXXX posts, click here to view it anyway (or something along the lines).

I think the criticism here gets out of hand way too often. The amount of disrespect towards Mourinho sometimes is annoying.

[Fernando 6,586]

I have around 30 people on my ignore list... some pages in some threads is one line after another saying You're ignoring XXXX posts, click here to view it anyway (or something along the lines).

I think the criticism here gets out of hand way too often. The amount of disrespect towards Mourinho sometimes is annoying.

I don't think it's disrespectful.

It's passionate Chelsea fans that want to see their team playing good.

Some people are like that, while others are content playing crap and winning.

[Fernando 6,586]

Seeing this game I will state my opinion once more.

I have not seen anything special about Mourinho in the past two seasons that requires so much reverence and best in the world tag.

Just been about average like that of pellegrini at city.

One good season and one bad.

Not in the camp for sacking but also not in the camp to give him 10 years.

I think 3 to 5 years is good enough of this.

[Polo7 3,496]

I don't think it's disrespectful.

It's passionate Chelsea fans that want to see their team playing good.

Some people are like that, while others are content playing crap and winning.

Playing good and not caring if we win or lose, or playing shit and winning......I know what I'd prefer. You sound like a good match for Arsenal.

[Fernando 6,586]

Playing good and not caring if we win or lose, or playing shit and winning......I know what I'd prefer. You sound like a good match for Arsenal.

You go from one extreme to another.

But hey that's your opinion and I'm not hating on you, like you labeling me as an arsenal type.....

[Polo7 3,496]

You go from one extreme to another.

But hey that's your opinion and I'm not hating on you, like you labeling me as an arsenal type.....

Your post gives an impression that you would rather see us play amazing football than win.

[Fernando 6,586]

Your post gives an impression that you would rather see us play amazing football than win.

You got the wrong guy.

But even if I did what that got to do with anything?

I'll tell you this though, I rather play amazing and lose then play crap and lose like against psg.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

You got the wrong guy.

But even if I did what that got to do with anything?

I'll tell you this though, I rather play amazing and lose then play crap and lose like against psg.

If you make a statement like that, you shouldn't be against being labelled as a perfect match for Arsenal. That sentence literally is a quote for an Arsenal forum.

[Fernando 6,586]

If you make a statement like that, you shouldn't be against being labelled as a perfect match for Arsenal. That sentence literally is a quote for an Arsenal forum.

Why is that? Arsenal fan want to play good all the time.

We can't play good all the time.

But we can't be a shame.

There's no excuse for not playing better when you have an extra man.

It's ridiculous taking a cautious approach. It's about the same as being ridiculous in going all attack when your up by 3 goals.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Why is that? Arsenal fan want to play good all the time.

We can't play good all the time.

But we can't be a shame.

There's no excuse for not playing better when you have an extra man.

It's ridiculous taking a cautious approach. It's about the same as being ridiculous in going all attack when your up by 3 goals.

There are no excuses. It was a bad day. Shit happens in football. At the end of the day Chelsea lost to two set-pieces.

No open play goals, no well thought out passes that cut us open for them to score, nothing.

Shit happens in football, that's what makes it beautiful. You can't script anything.

When it has paid off, no one's called it ridiculous , have they? It boiled down to luck, Chelsea didn't have any. Add that to how weak the players looked on the field, we were set up for catastrophe. There was nothing wrong in the way we played, because if we executed it properly, PSG wouldn't be going on.

[Fernando 6,586]

There are no excuses. It was a bad day. Shit happens in football. At the end of the day Chelsea lost to two set-pieces.

No open play goals, no well thought out passes that cut us open for them to score, nothing.

Shit happens in football, that's what makes it beautiful. You can't script anything.

When it has paid off, no one's called it ridiculous , have they? It boiled down to luck, Chelsea didn't have any. Add that to how weak the players looked on the fail, we were set up for catastrophe. There was nothing wrong in the way we played, because if we executed it properly, PSG wouldn't be going on.

No it was coming, come on men you got to be blind to not see that.

I was saying before they scored. Why the hell we are dropping off when we had the 10 men?

And men playing great is not just amazing tiki taka fútbol but also showing passion and high energy. Can be all out defensive or even counter attacking.

When we eliminated Barcelona with robbie that was amazing. High energy, body's throwing themselves everywhere. Here was nothing but void performance.

The writing was in the wall before the two goals. Like why keep Ramires after the sending of? He offered absolutely nothing and after his yellow card he offered even less....

Matic and Ramires was played at the beginning to be conservative, okay good. But what the heck they doing there when the other team got one less man?

[hjperdeath 2,226]

No it was coming, come on men you got to be blind to not see that.

I was saying before they scored. Why the hell we are dropping off when we had the 10 men.

And men playing great is not just amazing tiki taka fútbol but also showing . Can be all out defensive or even counter attacking.

The writing was in the wall before the two goals. Like why keep Ramires after the sending of? He offered absolutely nothing and after his yellow card he offered even less.

It's all nice to sit after the 120 minutes and say it was coming , it was coming. Say that during the 120 minutes, and the chance of it happening is 50%.

That was the system we wanted to go with from the word go. and we stuck with it. We are not a reactive team, we have been proactive, and we will until we perfect it.

passion and high energy.

This is what was missing from the night. Add that to any system and we would have that game. But it cannot happen every single time. These are not machines, these are human beings. We move the fuck on and learn from it.

The writing was in the wall before the two goals. Like why keep Ramires after the sending of? He offered absolutely nothing and after his yellow card he offered even less.

Retrospect and hindsight. He has the ability especially with his pace when the opposition is a person down. Before you make substitutions, you weigh the pros and cons, no one does it blindly. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

Also a lot of people are focusing so much on this 10 man bs. Personal experience, when the opposition is down by a man, the first thing a manager does is not react for the first 5 minutes. In those 5 minutes you identify the player, then you open up your notes and check what his role is in the opposition's system. IF he's a midfielder, you have an opening, if it is a defender, you have an opening. Think about it again, it was a forward that got sent off. No openings in midfield, no openings in the defense, no openings on the flanks. The only thing it does is lower the chances of the opposition scoring because their main goal threat has gone down the tunnel.

Mourinho reacted to that by pushing the low block higher up the pitch. It worked perfectly, we could handle anything they threw at us, but we fell to poor defensive marking on set-pieces. Managers aren't retarded, a lot of them need to be given credit because every decision is made after proper thinking. Each and every decision is made better the more you are experience, and better your intuition.

tl;dr, I don't blame the system, I blame the lack of energy in our play, and the fact that our strongest feature gave it away for us. 10 men oppositions aren't affected when the player sent off is a forward, especially if the forward in question isn't someone who drops deep.

[Fernando 6,586]

It's all nice to sit after the 120 minutes and say it was coming , it was coming. Say that during the 120 minutes, and the chance of it happening is 50%.

That was the system we wanted to go with from the word go. and we stuck with it. We are not a reactive team, we have been proactive, and we will until we perfect it.

This is what was missing from the night. Add that to any system and we would have that game. But it cannot happen every single time. These are not machines, these are human beings. We move the fuck on and learn from it.

Retrospect and hindsight. He has the ability especially with his pace when the opposition is a person down. Before you make substitutions, you weigh the pros and cons, no one does it blindly. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

Also a lot of people are focusing so much on this 10 man bs. Personal experience, when the opposition is down by a man, the first thing a manager does is not react for the first 5 minutes. In those 5 minutes you identify the player, then you open up your notes and check what his role is in the opposition's system. IF he's a midfielder, you have an opening, if it is a defender, you have an opening. Think about it again, it was a forward that got sent off. No openings in midfield, no openings in the defense, no openings on the flanks. The only thing it does is lower the chances of the opposition scoring because their main goal threat has gone down the tunnel.

Mourinho reacted to that by pushing the low block higher up the pitch. It worked perfectly, we could handle anything they threw at us, but we fell to poor defensive marking on set-pieces. Managers aren't retarded, a lot of them need to be given credit because every decision is made after proper thinking. Each and every decision is made better the more you are experience, and better your intuition.

tl;dr, I don't blame the system, I blame the lack of energy in our play, and the fact that our strongest feature gave it away for us. 10 men oppositions aren't affected when the player sent off is a forward, especially if the forward in question isn't someone who drops deep.

Go back and you see that I didn't said after the game.

I was saying it during the game before we even scored.

So it's not like I jump on the bandwagon.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Go back and you see that I didn't said after the game.

I was saying it during the game before we even scored.

That is what I meant. In the game 50% chance, you wouldn't be saying it if the game went through like it should have. You're negating the factor of luck.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

We just wasted the whole first half.

I accept everyone of our players are shit and weak when they are pressing us, what i dont accept is us not pressing them back and playing so slow like that first half.

[Fernando 6,586]

That is what I meant. In the game 50% chance, you wouldn't be saying it if the game went through like it should have. You're negating the factor of luck.

No but you take it as a red flag going forward.

Like this is not the first time it happened before.