Closed Chelsea v Southampton

[Pacquiao 1,834]

fabregas played a long ball against newcastle and arsenal to pedro. and i specified in one of my previous posts the difference between them.

when did he play a thru ball today?

also, by your whole logic, we should literally put in the same team that played against newcastle out against SOTON right? again the matic-cesc pivot, pedro-hazard on the flanks. i can see us getting over-run and outplayed at the bridge by SOTON.

oh, how the mighty have fallen.

looking out to see if our CM plays a through ball is not something i take not of every game, all our games in the past few weeks seem like a blur to me, but according to whoscored.com Cesc played a through ball in all of those games i mentioned, and why are you even so obsessed with whether Cesc plays a though ball or not, he is a CM not a number 10.

and no if you checked my prefered line up Matic and Pedro were not in it.

[didierforever 7,349]

looking out to see if our CM plays a through ball is not something i take not of every game, all our games in the past few weeks seem like a blur to me, but according to whoscored.com Cesc played a through ball in all of those games i mentioned, and why are you even so obsessed with whether Cesc plays a though ball or not, he is a CM not a number 10.

and no if you checked my prefered line up Matic and Pedro were not in it.

cos he is in the team as a "creative player".

is he is CM? what CM qualities does he have? is he defensively even adequate? can he win headers? can he give us the workrate? his USP is his "creativity" which is non-existent. so obviusly i will obsess about cesc playing a through ball. what else does he even have in his game. his set pieces are awful, his ball retention is awful. i mean seriously.

again, his "through balls" in those matches are a 50 yard pass. sorry, but those passes will always have a lower conversion (in our case, no coversion rate) even if u have messi and CR in your team.

lets look at it this way. if i sit down to make a list of pros and cons of cesc playing for chelsea. the list for cons would be endless. the list of pros would simply have "he is creative" and yet barely has an assist in PL from open play this season

he should be as high as iva when chucking out underperforming players.

lastly, i included matic and pedro - cos they are obvouisly much more quality than any replacements that we have. so the same logic must apply there too.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

Fabregas should really be nowhere the starting XI atm. We need a Lampard type of player, not some gutless dude with no balls.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Fabregas should really be nowhere the starting XI atm. We need a Lampard type of player, not some gutless dude with no balls.

afaik playing Lamps himself would be a step up rn.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

cos he is in the team as a "creative player".

is he is CM? what CM qualities does he have? is he defensively even adequate? can he win headers? can he give us the workrate? his USP is his "creativity" which is non-existent. so obviusly i will obsess about cesc playing a through ball. what else does he even have in his game. his set pieces are awful, his ball retention is awful. i mean seriously.

again, his "through balls" in those matches are a 50 yard pass. sorry, but those passes will always have a lower conversion (in our case, no coversion rate) even if u have messi and CR in your team.

lets look at it this way. if i sit down to make a list of pros and cons of cesc playing for chelsea. the list for cons would be endless. the list of pros would simply have "he is creative" and yet barely has an assist in PL from open play this season

he should be as high as iva when chucking out underperforming players.

lastly, i included matic and pedro - cos they are obvouisly much more quality than any replacements that we have. so the same logic must apply there too.

so you judge how creative a player is based on how many through balls they play? great logic, yes Cesc isnt great going the other way, but the fact is Matic is the guy who should be helping Cesc to not get exposed, same way Azpi made sure JT was never left isolated last season, there was a reason why we wanted Pogba in the summer, we all know Cesc isnt suited to playing in a midfield pivot your acting like this is somthing new but Matic hasnt helped him out, and we havent been able to control games, Cesc is clearly a top player, but is currently playing in a team in bad form while playing in a system that doesnt even suit him, the answer isnt to drop Cesc the answer is to find the right balance in midfield.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

just saying....this pic sums it up...

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

Fabregas should really be nowhere the starting XI atm. We need a Lampard type of player, not some gutless dude with no balls.

We need this type of character in our team urgently, check the video and you will see the team chemistry, this is what´s all about, fighting and giving all for the shirt and loving the club, not overpriced primadonas who don´t give a fark to our cause. Cheers mate

[didierforever 7,349]

so you judge how creative a player is based on how many through balls they play? great logic, yes Cesc isnt great going the other way, but the fact is Matic is the guy who should be helping Cesc to not get exposed, same way Azpi made sure JT was never left isolated last season, there was a reason why we wanted Pogba in the summer, we all know Cesc isnt suited to playing in a midfield pivot your acting like this is somthing new but Matic hasnt helped him out, and we havent been able to control games, Cesc is clearly a top player, but is currently playing in a team in bad form while playing in a system that doesnt even suit him, the answer isnt to drop Cesc the answer is to find the right balance in midfield.

wait, a minute. so how exactly do u assess cesc? what qualities do i assess him on? i mean seriously i would want an answer cos i dont have one.

a top player? please.

he is one of the most over-hyped players.

tell me his qualities to be regarded as a TOP player.

a top player does not have other players shielding him, specially when the top player is a CM, a 28 year old CM who is supposed to be in the prime of his career. how are u even comparing it to a situation of a 34 year olf CB? just goes on to show, exactly how massive a liability this guy is.

so, let me get this straight, players should cover for cesc's deficiencies, team system should be changed to suit cesc, a 100mil pound player should be bought to bolster him. i have a better solution, DROP THE UNDERPERFORMING PLAYER. simple.

[thekid9 418]

Everyone here knows that Cesc and Ivanovic will start, pointless wasting our breath!

anyone volunteer to kidnap a certain full back for the rest of the season?

[Pacquiao 1,834]

wait, a minute. so how exactly do u assess cesc? what qualities do i assess him on? i mean seriously i would want an answer cos i dont have one.

a top player? please.

he is one of the most over-hyped players.

tell me his qualities to be regarded as a TOP player.

a top player does not have other players shielding him, specially when the top player is a CM, a 28 year old CM who is supposed to be in the prime of his career. how are u even comparing it to a situation of a 34 year olf CB? just goes on to show, exactly how massive a liability this guy is.

so, let me get this straight, players should cover for cesc's deficiencies, team system should be changed to suit cesc, a 100mil pound player should be bought to bolster him. i have a better solution, DROP THE UNDERPERFORMING PLAYER. simple.

Cesc is a great passer, with great vision, who put in the right system would thrive.

if we had this midfield for example Cesc would look outstanding every week

Verratti - Matic

Fabregas

you keep ignoring the fact our system doesnt even suit Fabregas that is why he needs protection, swap Fabregas with Thiago and Fabregas would look incredible for Bayern, and Thiago would look just as bad as Fabregas in this current out of form Chelsea team.

and yes players should cover for Cesc! that is how a team works! our RW has to help our RB, our number 10 has to drop off and help our Midfield, our LB has to tuck in and be less offensive to cover JT and our DM has to help Cesc out! thats how it works.

[Steve 10,227]

why? if the manager can make the team suffer just cause his favourites (iva and cesc) can play match after match, then the manager can get lost.

Why because we just won the premier league is good start. Stability would be nice for a change instead of changing managers every couple of seasons.

[didierforever 7,349]

Cesc is a great passer, with great vision, who put in the right system would thrive.

if we had this midfield for example Cesc would look outstanding every week

Verratti - Matic

Fabregas

you keep ignoring the fact our system doesnt even suit Fabregas that is why he needs protection, swap Fabregas with Thiago and Fabregas would look incredible for Bayern, and Thiago would look just as bad as Fabregas in this current out of form Chelsea team.

and yes players should cover for Cesc! that is how a team works! our RW has to help our RB, our number 10 has to drop off and help our Midfield, our LB has to tuck in and be less offensive to cover JT and our DM has to help Cesc out! thats how it works.

verratti is another quality player. i dont know why u keep adding a 100mil pound pogba/50mil pound verrati. if we got any of those 2, cesc will be out of this team so quick that his head would spin.

i am saying it too. our system does not suit him. he is a

liability. and hence he should not be playing. what have i been saying for the last 2 pages or so?

yes, that is how its supposed to work, but what is cesc's role in this. "great passer wiht a great vision". how can someone be a great passer with a vision when he cant even put in thru balls. again, thats the point. we already have a player in hazard for whom players have to cover. you cant have another one. and u definitely cant have a CM in a 2 man pivot who needs protection. damn, that is totally against the concept of a 2 man mid.

we wont be changing the way we play, hence the best solution is to DROP HIM.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Why because we just won the premier league is good start. Stability would be nice for a change instead of changing managers every couple of seasons.

very true, we only won 4 PL titles in the last 11 seasons, with the squad of players we have had in the last 11 seasons we should have won more, and the main reason why we didnt was because of the lack of stability.

[didierforever 7,349]

Why because we just won the premier league is good start. Stability would be nice for a change instead of changing managers every couple of seasons.

stability is a good concept.

but i dont want stability to be the primary concern.

in a long term plan, things should have been falling into place now. but on the contrary, nothing seems to be "stable".

lastly, give me one decent reason for ivanovic's and cesc's continued inclusion in the team despite them underperforming for 10 games now. iva has single handedly cost us swansea, city, palace, everton and now porto. any manager with the club's best intention at heart would have dropped him some time ago.

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

very true, we only won 4 PL titles in the last 11 seasons, with the squad of players we have had in the last 11 seasons we should have won more, and the main reason why we didnt was because of the lack of stability.

What frustrates more is when we won back to back Premier League titles in 2005 and 2006 we didn´t push on from there and allowed United to dominate like they have, specially with Ronaldo being the main driving force behind United´s success in that period, we were poor between 2007-2009 when they were Champions and we should have done a lot better and dominated ourselves.

We lacked stability and consistency and i remember it was a time when United was rebuilding and we should have taken full advantage of that, we could be talking about Chelsea winning consecutive Premierships between 2005-2010, now that would have been something, but that´s life and then came City with their sh*t load of money and monopolized the market again and have won 2 titles themselves in the process, much like when Abramovich arrived here and we bought a lot of players and won back to back titles and countless others afterwards.

Now it´s City who has been our main challenger for the title, but United will be back again maybe, Arsenal "cough cough", they will challenge again someday, maybe, forget the rest. The thing is we should have been dominating with the teams we´ve had in the last 11 years and it´s been a let down, 4 PL won in the last 11 years it´s nothing to brag about unlike United who have won 5, icluding 3 in a row between 2007-2009 and many more before our first league title. These last 11 years it´s been us (4) and United (5) mostly, with City getting in the middle (2) in terms of the league.

I wish we could dominate more, but we are too inconsistent, it´s really a drag, for me the 2007-2008 season was the worst, because we could have won the PL, CC and CL, we came 2nd in all of them and that was a major let down, we lacked that killer instinct many times and that hurted us in the end, specially with United breathing down our necks. We´ll see what the future holds, but at the moment we have a big mess to solve, real shame what we are going trough right now, it´s like a endless nightmare I hope all get´s better soon.

[kingofchelseadom 41]

Every game is a friggin nightmare. who knows what chelsea is going to turn up for this one. Guaranteed Southampton will score. Hopefully we can put a few past them. its a circus and mourinho is the ringleader! :woo:

[Clevemayer 764]

We've lost our spine with: Ash, JT, Lamps and Drogs and we never recovered from it. We're paying for not getting in a core of players 5 Seasons ago, that would take over from em... don't like to say so but: I told you and I predicted it.... What ever great Players they've been, we should have brought in top talent when they were at theyre best to replace em slowly...

[Special Juan 28,141]

Can't say I am looking forward to this either. Mane, Pelle and the delivery of Ward-Prowse will scare the shit out of me.

1-1 or 1-2 loss.

[zolayes 14,489]

Every game is a friggin nightmare. who knows what chelsea is going to turn up for this one. Guaranteed Southampton will score. Hopefully we can put a few past them. its a circus and mourinho is the ringleader! :woo:

and we know who the biggest clown is ,, the one with the armband

[supporter 3,088]

Replacing Frank Lampard will be very complicated: quality, leadership, last pass, long distance shots, constant dynamism in midfield and ability to distribute the ball. For me Fabregas is failing with us and he will not be able to be a substitute for Lampard.

Maybe we could solve this problem in January trying to sign Ross Barkley as a replacement for Lampard because Fabregas is being a disappointment (except for his first 4 months last season). If I could I would pay a lot of money to sign Barkley. Maybe Barkley could take Frank Lampard's role.

Our season is being a nightmare, something crazy that is difficult to solve. I think it's time to make a big revolution and take advantage of our young players or those who are having fewer minutes. Or we react fast or the season will be very long.

About N.9 position I think it's a difficult situation. With Diego sanctioned, it would be normal go for Remy, but Falcao can not to have forgotten about how to play football.

But the most important thing on Saturday is to start a revolution to change this situation. And Ruben Loftus-Cheek has to be our starting point.

IMO our revolution must start with Ruben Loftus-Cheek as our main midfielder. RLC is not a child, he is a player who has shown to be prepared to lead our midfield. For me he is an improved version of Paul Pogba but RLC need minutes on the pitch to prove it. Our big problem is the movement of the ball in the attacking zone and our ability to get the ball from behind: Ruben Loftus-Cheek is the player to start our revolution and solve our problems. RLC can give a breath of fresh air for our midfield and reset our mind.

Another player who is always undervalued is Willian, which I can not understand. IMO he must be important now because William is the only player capable of assuming the leadership of play in N.10's role. He has the creativity of the Brazilian players and the tactical discipline of European football.

About our defense I think Ivanovic can't play again as Right-Back. His time has expired and we have to refresh our defense. IMO Azpi - Zouma - Cahill - Baba is our best solution. It's time to change .

Oscar has to take a step forward to begin to be important to us and go home. We need someone creative and he's a creative player. Oscar can not continue hiding on the pitch and has to prove that he is able to play with us.

Kenedy, at least, wants to conquer the world. IMO he should play on Saturday as right-winger rotating their position with Willian and Hazard.

Our players need to wake up. Jose approaches are not the best, but our players have to change their behavior or it will be impossible.

Begovic

Zouma Cahill

Azpi Baba

RLC Matic

Willian

Kenedy Hazard

Remy

But the most important thing on Saturday is to start a revolution to change this situation. And Ruben Loftus-Cheek must be our starting point.