Lack of English players in the squad

[chelseafc9010 224]

Also if Luis plays and Azpi moves to RB like a lot of us want it will look like a good deal.

[Rom2013 446]

Thing is, there is zero reason why Bertrand should not be here right now.

We didn't need to splash cash on bringing the "Best LB on earth" to ride the bench behind our 25 year old starting LB.

Why not? Because you think so? Because if Ivanovic or Azpi is injured I have no doubt about which LB I would like to see in a game against Bayern, or Man City, Man United... or other team. Luis because he is a lot better.

You prefer to see Bertrand in the bench, but the rest of the world prefer to win titles.

He is good in Southampton. He Chelsea he was another that when he played did nothing. Being good at Southampton doens't mean that he is good enough for CHelsea.

[Fernando 6,585]

Why not? Because you think so? Because if Ivanovic or Azpi is injured I have no doubt about which LB I would like to see in a game against Bayern, or Man City, Man United... or other team. Luis because he is a lot better.

You prefer to see Bertrand in the bench, but the rest of the world prefer to win titles.

He is good in Southampton. He Chelsea he was another that when he played did nothing. Being good at Southampton doens't mean that he is good enough for CHelsea.

But that's the thing.

People like Terminator X want English players at all cost.

No matter if they are shitty.

You can't have it both ways.

Mourinho is a manager that is hired to win, and in winning he picked out the best prospect in between Azpi and Ryan regardless of the nationality.

That's why it will continue to be like that even if Mourinho stays here for a decade.

[Term-X 7,891]

But that's the thing.

People like Terminator X want English players at all cost.

No matter if they are shitty.

You can't have it both ways.

Jesus, I named Sterling & Shaw (call me when Bertrand has a better season than Shaw's previous, too early yet). You're acting like I've just listed average players ffs.

It's been mentioned before but hopefully the club are keeping an eye on Stones' progress.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Is it so easy for a player who is really worth it to stay in the limelight just because the first selection is somebody else ?

Suppose we have a youngster who is as good as Diego Costa.

I don't believe he will not make a great career just because of that.

Only with goalkeepers that tends to happen.

[Term-X 7,891]

The minimum I want is for the team to have somebody or somebodies who can speak fluent English in British accent in interviews. It gets cringeworthy when the best speakers you have are a bunch of Oscars who struggle to get their point across, while proudly proclaiming to be english team. I used to mock Arsenal for that. There should be an English representative always present. And by that I don't mean a third choice goalkeeper.. But I doubt we'll have as strong British presence as we used to in Cole, Bridge, Terry, Lamps, J.Cole, Duff in a long time (forgive me if I missed someone).

Good point.

Post-Liverpool, Matic was asked a pretty simple question but couldn't give any type of answer and JT had to cover for him. It's not THE most important aspect of the club, but it's one of the 'perks' of having English players who can actually represent us in the media and articulate properly with fans.

[Viper22 2,418]

Wouldn't mind Jones (doubt that'll be a popular opinion, but I think he could develop into something really good at CB if played there consistently and tutored by a decent manager), Henderson, Sterling or Barkley. But all of them (barring possibly Sterling) would only make the bench. Every other England player isn't even good enough for our bench or is downright unattainable (Rooney/Hart/Baines)

But they'd all be astronomical in price, so it is largely irrelevant what we want, unless we fancy paying £30M for an only good player just for the nationality.

The only chance we've got is one of our young englishmen developing well into squad players (Baker/Swift/Solanke/Chalobah/Bamford/RLC/Brown). And I have high hopes that at least 3 of them will be in our 23 man squad within 2/3 years (my money is on Bamford, Brown and Baker)

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

The fact a player like Jordan Henderson starts for England really shows the disappointing lack of quality in English central midfielders. An Area where they were re-known for producing some of the best.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Some other Reasons for lack of English players.

1. There used to be players like Ferdinand, Rooney, lamps, Gerrard, Cole, j.Cole, Beckham, Owen, but now the quality of English players is a far cry from before. I'll say this is one of the reason why arsenal dropped from title challengers to 4th place team, too many average English players when they used to have more french players during the invincibles era. Liverpool is another victim.

2. Ffp is another reason why. Manutd could spend 25mil on Ferdinand those times but now there practically the only team in England that can afford to throw away money on English players and hope they come good. But the rest of us are working under tight ffp tightrope so the available money has to be spent on quality.

3. English youth trainers don't let their youth develop their ball technique, vision and passing. All they care about is speed and strength, so English players have too many lennons, chamberlains, Townsends, adamjohnsons, without any xavi, silva, fabregas, ozil. This is why English players lack creativity, no focus in developing those areas when they are young, just gym, run and run.

[chelseafc9010 224]

As a kid myself I have to just say that from my view, there is a problem with a personal. The people I play with reguarly are good but are weak mentally, have no guts or are just full of themselves and don't work hard, there's not really a real mix of good things in young people who play football around here. Also most of the coaches are the usual; horrible hair, teeth, dress style, normally overweight and know nothing about football but will just tell you to 'try your best' and be brave. Most coaches are still suck in the olden days of heaping it up the pitch to the biggest guy in the team and hitting it randomly and hoping it goes in.

[zolayes 14,489]

England are excellent at age groups U16 ----up to U20 even decent at U 21 ,,,so why dont they progress ...

I am no expert BUT someone should be capable of solving this enigma

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Callum Chambers has been quite impressive for Arsenal. If he could cut the needless bookings out from his game, his development will continue to grow.. One of Arsenal's more wiser signings this year.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Callum Chambers has been quite impressive for Arsenal. If he could cut the needless bookings out from his game, his development will continue to grow.. One of Arsenal's more wiser signings this year.

I kinda agree, but the timing of this statement could not have been worse when he was just completely and repeatedly destroyed a couple of days ago by Montero

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Jesus, I named Sterling & Shaw (call me when Bertrand has a better season than Shaw's previous, too early yet). You're acting like I've just listed average players ffs.

It's been mentioned before but hopefully the club are keeping an eye on Stones' progress.

Do you really think either Sterling, Shaw or Stones will be made available at a decent price? Shaw went for 30m and 100k/wk... Sterling is in dispute with the Scouse right now over fee, he will almost assuredly go for no less than 40m if he's made available.

[Johnny Kills 164]

Do you really think either Sterling, Shaw or Stones will be made available at a decent price? Shaw went for 30m and 100k/wk... Sterling is in dispute with the Scouse right now over fee, he will almost assuredly go for no less than 40m if he's made available.

Sterling for 40 >>>>> Willian for 32

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Sterling for 40 >>>>> Willian for 32

Doesn't really matter now though does it? We can't afford to pay that for Sterling

[LukakutoStamford 779]

England are excellent at age groups U16 ----up to U20 even decent at U 21 ,,,so why dont they progress ...

I am no expert BUT someone should be capable of solving this enigma

It has to do with paying the "English tax" where every English player is valued with a 15% -25% premium because they are English and ostensibly homegrown.

It also has to do with availability of leagues in Europe that can be used a proving grounds while still getting Europa or CL games where you can get that in the Championship.

[Reddish-Blue 2,509]

I'm still left wondering what went wrong with Josh McEachran?

He gets a chance under Ancelotti, wins young player of the year...and then goes on the typical loan merry-go around until one of the Championship/League 1 clubs decide to pay a fee for him

[Rom2013 446]

Kids need to play competitive football. In Spain they have Castilla, Barceona B, Sevilla B, etc and they play against real teams against professional players in second division.

The place of players with more than 18 years old is playing against professionals not in the under 21 team. I think that's one of the main problems in England.

In Chelsea, Man City, Man City there are no place for many kids, especially if they aren't amazing. The other teams have a lot of money, many more than other really good teams from Holland, Portugal, Spain, Greece... there is no incentive to produce players in that teams.

Other problem is that the players are not that good.

About CHelsea I think we should know what we want. We cant have Christensen, ZOuma and Kala and give playing time to all of that players. Choose the better, in this case it seems that Mourinho likes Zouma. If Zouma confirms all his potential or if he fails in 1 seasons we can give another oportunity to Kalas or Christensen.

Now we have Ake and Loftus maybe both for the midfield. Ake had no luck until now... next season send him on loan and give the chance to Loftus.

Now we have Bamford, Solank and Izzy (I think all of them are ST)... again choose one, we shouldn't give 10 minutes to one, 20 to another, and 30 to the other one. Choose the better and go with him for at leasst 1 season.

Like we did with Ake and Zouma. It's better to have 2 players with a good amount of minutes, than 15 with 10 minutes each one.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

The fact a player like Jordan Henderson starts for England really shows the disappointing lack of quality in English central midfielders. An Area where they were re-known for producing some of the best.

And some people think he'd be good enough to sit on the bench here when Ramires is a much better player. Its laughable really isn't it?

Again since I'm in this topic, would people have preferred we spent shitloads more money on someone like Sterling or Barkley than got Cuadrado just because they are English and we don't have a lot of English players in the squad?

The days of signing good English players for a relatively cheap price has been over for years and will continue to be until English clubs start producing very very talented players regularly and in batches like Spain, Italy, Germany, Brazil, Argentina and France have all been doing, then they will stay expensive. People want lots of money for players like Barkley and Sterling partly because English teams aren't producing young players at that level on a regular basis and want to have top young English players. When Guardiola said that in Spain they have hundreds of players like Wilshere he was right, they are producing lots of talented young players at a certain standard especially in midfield positions.

The Spain U21 side that won the European Championship included players like De Gea, Illarramendi, Bartra, Inigo Martinez, Koke, Rodrigo, Thiago, Tello, Moreno, Carvajal and Isco who have all gone on to get international caps, in fact some had them before the tournament too. All talented players, who came through at around the same time, all having improved and some having gone onto better things.

The development methods and coaching of players in England (and Britain as a whole) is wrong, as well as distinctly average football players there are too many distinctly average English coaches. The Premier League wouldn't be anything like it is billed to be without all the top foreign players and coaches that come to play and manage teams.