killer1257 3,282 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Even if we had the chance to buy him,where would he play for us?RW?OM?As our main striker?Messi said to Guardiola that he sees himself as a central forward and he wanted that Guardiola puts him as the main striker,while Ibrahimovic had to be on the bench or play in a position that he has never played before.If he would be our OM,Fabregas has to be benched because a midfield with Messi and Fabregas is far too offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Even if we had the chance to buy him,where would he play for us?RW?OM?As our main striker?Messi said to Guardiola that he sees himself as a central forward and he wanted that Guardiola puts him as the main striker,while Ibrahimovic had to be on the bench or play in a position that he has never played before.If he would be our OM,Fabregas has to be benched because a midfield with Messi and Fabregas is far too offensive.Hi!Messi can play with that Diego Costa perfectly IMO. And Messi is perfectly complementary with Fabregas. Messi has no fixed position in the field, it's what Argentines call "9.5". He is not a 9 Nor is 10 and is not a puree winger. Messi rotates its position on all fronts of attack without a defined position.This season we have done our best football at the beginning, in a similar style to Guardiola`s Barcelona, with Hazards - Fabregas - Willian - Oscar - Costa exchanging their positions constantly. If we signed him to Messi, he could fit perfectly into the philosophy of football that we have used to perfection at the start of this season.Messi is a total player without a defined position but always very dangerous.For me Messi is the best player in the history. The issue is not how to find a place to Messi, because for a player like Messi is the easiest thing is finding a place for him in any part of our team. Messi is not a problem, Messi is a solution / blessing.I think we could play with Messi with the following options.Option 1 (A). Fabregas MaticCuadrado Hazard Messi Diego Costa (as false 9)---------------------------------------------------------------Option 1 (B ). Fabregas MaticCuadrado Messi Hazard (as false 10) Diego Costa-------------------------------------------------------------------Option 2. Ramires Matic Fabregas Messi Hazard. (as false winger) Diego Costa------------------------------------------------------------------Option 3. With Messi as a false 9 (1). * Ramires MaticCuadrado Fabregas Hazard Messi (as a false 9)------------------------------------------------------------------Option 4. With Messi as a false 9 (2). * Fabregas MaticCuadrado Oscar/Willian Hazard Messi (as a false 9)------------------------------------------------------------------Option 5. * Ramires Matic Fabregas Messi Cuadrado/Willian (as false winger) Diego Costa-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------* I'm not talking about, OBVIOUSLY, to remove Diego Costa or Hazard of our starting eleven, but throughout the season every match presents many different situations.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I know the word "FALSE" may seem like a joke, but I think Messi has no definite position as Maradona.But Messi would give us a lot different to our starting eleven variables, apart from being a spectacular TOP player.This is a unique opportunity. It's now or never.Regards.Regards to ALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I leave a video of the spectacular match of today by Messi.Lionel Messi vs Athletic Bilbao (Away). 08/02/2015. Messi`s SHOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LIuGW-5bYYIf anyone does not know in depth the Spanish La Liga. The stadium of Athletic Bilbao (San Mames) is probably one of the most complicated stadium of the Spanish La Liga.Regards to ALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 GOAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 He's back to his best form atm. He may have lost some of his pace and is playing in a different role, but the lad is simply out of this planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Di Maria (Messi friend) “I don’t think Messi would have any problem working with Mourinho.”step by step The CHANGE is comingstep by step Leo Messistep by step New BLUES soldierstep by step Messi "So I often do not talk, whatever it says they will seek a return. Mourinho is one of the best coaches in the world, he is a great coach, I think beyond that like it or not as a person, no doubt that is a big bigger coach". And he voted Mourinho within three best coaches in the world. step by step Mourinho "Messi is a super amazing player"step by step Jose "Messi would be a " super signing"step by step Jose`s persuasion power step by step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 The head execs at Adidas get must get sexually aroused at the thought of all the money generated by Messi at an Adidas team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 If adidas is willing to pay at least half then yes, if they arent, I wouldnt want us to pay 200m on single player ever. Was Ronaldo or Bale realy realy worth 200m combined?Ronaldo had mare in CL final, he won only one la liga in 4 seasons. Not worth imo. Bayern on other side, a much much more balanced team (under heynckes).I wouldnt want world best player, we should push Hazard to do what Sneijder/Ribery/Robben did for their clubs. Best in world doesnt mean best and most useful/valuable for club. What those three did for their teams when they won domestic and international trophies was more than Ronaldo did for his. Messi is level above and brought barca to several titles, but still big question how can he do in england and for how long, the price of 200m would be only be reasonable if we win two CLs in 3 years and PL title every year but there is no guarantee that Messi can give us that. Cl win depends on many factors like hard work and luck, while PL could be obtainable even without messi for next few years. Not to mention Messi would force either Costa or Hazard out of squad, and I dont want that.Good player, but should stay in barca. We can make a more balanced, equal team with OUR OWN stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) The head execs at Adidas get must get sexually aroused at the thought of all the money generated by Messi at an Adidas team.Yes. Totally agree with you. This move could have a huge impact for Adidas as years ago when David Beckham change Machester United (Nike) by Real Madrid (Adidas), or when Cristiano Ronaldo change Manchester United (Nike) by Real Madrid (Adidas). (Remove a Nike star to other Adidas team also was a big deal for Adidas) Adidas will go crazy by seeing Messi in Adidas team Business is Business RegardsCristiano is still nike.Yes. But it is a way for Adidas to annoy Nike.If Adidas loses money by having Messi in a Nike team, also Nike loses money taking Cristiano Ronaldo in Adidas team.It is a "war" between brands.Regards. Edited February 9, 2015 by supporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Yes. Totally agree with you. This move could have a huge impact for Adidas as years ago when David Beckham change Machester United (Nike) by Real Madrid (Adidas), or when Cristiano Ronaldo change Manchester United (Nike) by Real Madrid (Adidas). (Remove a Nike star to other Adidas team also was a big deal for Adidas) RegardsSuffice to say that Lionel Messi at this moment is the most famous and commercialised footballer in the World. When I was a child I knew nothing of the world of football, my mind was set entirely in rugby but even I saw the news when David Beckham moved to Real Madrid. It was astonishing even for those that knew nothing. For those people who grew up watching football it's impossible to understand just how much David Beckham crossed divides from footballer to celeberity. Messi isn't on that level but it's a safe bet no one ever will reach it again.Adidas already run campaigns of Messi in his Argentina kit but having Messi at any Adidas club offers them much more visual media to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 If adidas is willing to pay at least half then yes, if they arent, I wouldnt want us to pay 200m on single player ever. Was Ronaldo or Bale realy realy worth 200m combined?Ronaldo had mare in CL final, he won only one la liga in 4 seasons. Not worth imo. Bayern on other side, a much much more balanced team (under heynckes).I wouldnt want world best player, we should push Hazard to do what Sneijder/Ribery/Robben did for their clubs. Best in world doesnt mean best and most useful/valuable for club. What those three did for their teams when they won domestic and international trophies was more than Ronaldo did for his. Messi is level above and brought barca to several titles, but still big question how can he do in england and for how long, the price of 200m would be only be reasonable if we win two CLs in 3 years and PL title every year but there is no guarantee that Messi can give us that. Cl win depends on many factors like hard work and luck, while PL could be obtainable even without messi for next few years. Not to mention Messi would force either Costa or Hazard out of squad, and I dont want that.Good player, but should stay in barca. We can make a more balanced, equal team with OUR OWN stars.Hi!I understand perfectly what you say. True, Messi would not guarantee us winning the Champions League, would be too risky to sign one player for so much money and we have of Eden which can be a very TOP PLAYER in a short time. But we have a feature that makes us less than Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern by rule of the Financial Fair Play: THE STORY. They carry more than 60 years as a TOP TEAMS, and Chelsea is a TOP TEAM since arriving Roman Abramovich.We can not compete economically with them. And now, if you can not compete economically hardly what you can do sportingly.That's the difference. The signing of Messi would be a giant inflexion point. We we would have a player with the same impact on advertising than David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo or Ronaldinho and would increase our revenues in China, America and our new sponsorship contracts.We have a great car, but we have the best wheels, and signing Messi would suppose (metaphorically) put our great car wheels at the same level as the wheels of Real Madrid or Barcelona.If we signed him of Messi, maybe in 10 years we are of the same economic level as Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern.It's not just a good signing in sporting terms, it is also a good signing in sporting terms. And now, in today's football, you can only be a TOP TEAM if you combine a good sports project and a good sports project.Real Madrid laughs Financial Fair Play for having signed players like Figo, Zidane, Ronaldo, Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka or Bale. And thanks to that they have won four Champions League in the last 20 years. It is a model that works.Messi would be the definitive consolidation of Roman Abramovich draft placing Chelsea in the top of football.Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Hi!I understand perfectly what you say. True, Messi would not guarantee us winning the Champions League, would be too risky to sign one player for so much money and we have of Eden which can be a very TOP PLAYER in a short time. But we have a feature that makes us less than Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern by rule of the Financial Fair Play: THE STORY. They carry more than 60 years as a TOP TEAMS, and Chelsea is a TOP TEAM since arriving Roman Abramovich.We can not compete economically with them. And now, if you can not compete economically hardly what you can do sportingly.That's the difference. The signing of Messi would be a giant inflexion point. We we would have a player with the same impact on advertising than David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo or Ronaldinho and would increase our revenues in China, America and our new sponsorship contracts.We have a great car, but we have the best wheels, and signing Messi would suppose (metaphorically) put our great car wheels at the same level as the wheels of Real Madrid or Barcelona.If we signed him of Messi, maybe in 10 years we are of the same economic level as Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern.It's not just a good signing in sporting terms, it is also a good signing in sporting terms. And now, in today's football, you can only be a TOP TEAM if you combine a good sports project and a good sports project.Real Madrid laughs Financial Fair Play for having signed players like Figo, Zidane, Ronaldo, Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka or Bale. And thanks to that they have won four Champions League in the last 20 years. It is a model that works.Messi would be the definitive consolidation of Roman Abramovich draft placing Chelsea in the top of football.Regards.Sure signing Messi would give us economical boost and more worldwide support, but I dont think having reputation like Rm (history, fans, popularity, money, fame) is equal to get success. Liverpool is one team who handled money and coach wrong. And look where they are. Same with united. Now they spent crazy as hell but it doesnt bring you to success.To have balanced team with good coach can win you more trophies than having world class player and fame. For example, Real won only one CL trophy since 2001? They spend billions on the players and their success was extremely poor for the investment given. On other hand, Bayern who was quite a wreck around 2008, brough proper coaches, worked on balanced hardworking team and they enjoyed great success and following their good style of football, trophies won; their "power" and "fame" spread around world quickly.And sure as hell I dont want Chelsea to become international celebrity brand like Real. Prefer to keep it simple as we always were. Sigings of Torres, Sheva and considering we had not a single player who was realy considered as superstar, but still managed to win all these trophies in last years point out that we should think twice before signing messi.It would be great commercial success, but not sure about football success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Yes. Totally agree with you. This move could have a huge impact for Adidas as years ago when David Beckham change Machester United (Nike) by Real Madrid (Adidas), or when Cristiano Ronaldo change Manchester United (Nike) by Real Madrid (Adidas). (Remove a Nike star to other Adidas team also was a big deal for Adidas) Adidas will go crazy by seeing Messi in Adidas team Business is Business RegardsCristiano is still nike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sure signing Messi would give us economical boost and more worldwide support, but I dont think having reputation like Rm (history, fans, popularity, money, fame) is equal to get success. Liverpool is one team who handled money and coach wrong. And look where they are. Same with united. Now they spent crazy as hell but it doesnt bring you to success.To have balanced team with good coach can win you more trophies than having world class player and fame.For example, Real won only one CL trophy since 2001? They spend billions on the players and their success was extremely poor for the investment given. On other hand, Bayern who was quite a wreck around 2008, brough proper coaches, worked on balanced hardworking team and they enjoyed great success and following their good style of football, trophies won; their "power" and "fame" spread around world quickly.And sure as hell I dont want Chelsea to become international celebrity brand like Real. Prefer to keep it simple as we always were. Sigings of Torres, Sheva and considering we had not a single player who was realy considered as superstar, but still managed to win all these trophies in last years point out that we should think twice before signing messi.It would be great commercial success, but not sure about football success.Yeah, right. There is a risk filled with disgusting fame and glamor our team if we follow the model of Real Madrid. But perhaps Messi is not a player of fame and glamor like David Beckham or Cristiano Ronaldo (as commented on a previous post @Spike Spiegel).Messi is more shy and normal than Beckhan and Christian. His signing would be like Zidane, a great player but not a drama queen like Ronaldo or Beckham.Messi is a very competitive guy, has already won three Champions League and now wants to be to advance to the World Cup 2018. But evidently he did not would guarantee trophies to us.I believe that in Mourinho model (our model for many years), but maybe Messi would suppose a definite boost for us not fear the Financial Fair Play.No would guarantee titles, but deliver us from the fear of hypothetical sanctions UEFA.Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Cristiano is still nike.Yes. But it is a way for Adidas to annoy Nike.If Adidas loses money by having Messi in a Nike team, also Nike loses money taking Cristiano Ronaldo in Adidas team.It is a "war" between brands.Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 REPOST. Sorry to put a repost. But I think it might be interesting if someone had not read. Sorry if I upset someone.AS (Spain): "A report from Adidas prefers Messi to sign for another club". http://as.com/diarioas/2015/01/16/english/1421436379_808725.htmlRegards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I'd like Messi only if we can keep Hazard, and Adidas help out.There's rumor Adidas will pay United to take him, but he will not go there. This year's side will be lucky to get Champions League football!The fact remains that we are the only logical choice to go to if Barcelona do decide to cash in on him.As I have said before though, he is worth much more to Barcelona than us. To other clubs, he is a £80m. To Barca he's probably worth very nearly his full buyout clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Does no one else think the whole adidas paying most of the transfer fee thing is complete fantasy? Why would they? To get messi in an adidas shirt?? He's already an adidas sponsored player I honestly don't see how it benefits them to spend whatever percentage of whatever mental amount to have him in a team whos kit adidas also make. Maybe Im missing something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 His swan song at Barca is shaping up to be an epic run! The most dangerous team on the planet right now... another 3 goals today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edetarod 2,155 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 can't wait to see him rip shity apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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