Paulinho

[Styles 9,790]

So again, very little constructive in that post. I think the fact that he's more composed on the ball and is a goal threat immediately makes us a better team going forward. I think he's able to spread the play better whilst also providing an extra body in the box - two of the problems I have with our midfield.

I also think he fits our financial model well, he offers value whether he works out here or not and he's not a massive impediment to any young players looking to break through.

The simple fact is that you're moaning without providing anything else. Ideally I'd like to see Chalobah and Van Ginkel (and longer term RLC) groomed to take a role at this club and that requires giving them a chance....so of course we should invest massively on a player whose name you can't quite recall at this time. It's laughable. The people who moan about us not giving youth a chance are now moaning because we're not investing £30 million in a player who would provide a significant impediment to them getting a chance.

Feel free to randomly pluck a player's name out of your arse who you actually would prefer us to sign - ignore things like transfer fee and wages. Just kidding....as if I need to tell you that.

Just be honest; you're going to back any possible transfer this summer because apparently Jose's making the calls. Making up nonsense about Paulinho spreading the play doesn't do much for your cause.

Paulinho spreads the play ffs. Yeah I think that's enough for me today, thanks.

[lionsden 4,689]

If you're right, i think we should really question Mourinho. Not signing a CM would mean he lost it for me.

"Ramires and Matic offer us stability" Brace yourself for the inevitable disappointment.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I feel brasil players perform completely different than they in clubs. At least most of them. Paulinho plays better there because he has bunch of brasil teammates around, added motivation and specific coach. From Luiz, Paulinho, Gustavo, Oscar, Fred, Neymar even all play better there. They aint wc player, but work fantastic as team. One individual here wouldnt perform as good.

[Pizy 18,985]

"Ramires and Matic offer us stability" Brace yourself for the inevitable disappointment.

Agreed, unfortunately.

Think it's going to take another shit season or half a season before José decides Ramires isn't good enough. Or maybe we'll luck out and he'll regain the form that made him so highly rated by José when he first arrived.

[lionsden 4,689]

Summed it up perfectly. Justifying mediocre signings who will cost the best part of 20m because we need an extra body is laughable.

The one that pisses me off the most is the "wait until we see how he performs for us before judging"

By that logic we might as well acquire a bunch of dross players from the conference league in hope that they exceed expectation. afterall we don't know how akinfenwa might perform for us, he might turn out to be another Drogba. like our jersey has supernatural powers that transforms dross into worldlies.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Surely that depends on the price. If Spurs are willing to cut their losses then maybe he's worth a punt.

To me he seems like a Ramires with better technique, a better eye for goal and less...impulsive (<--- code word for 'a bit thick'). Considering we could be losing Luiz, Mikel and maybe even Lamps and Rami, we're going to need midfielders.

It's not hard to have better technique or a better eye for goal or for any player to be less impulsive than Ramires... That doesn't automatically make you an impressive player and it doesn't mean the Paulinho signing makes sense. If we sell Luiz and Mikel and lose Lampard we'll have more than enough funds to buy a top class midfielder, not an average one that's slightly better than Ramires (which again is very debatable - IMO an in form Ramires is better than Paulinho) + they are essentially the same type of player. Besides, do you really think Levy would sell him for a cut price to us? He'll try and extort the highest amount of money from us, surely the Modric debacle proves that? There's no point in signing him if we have Ramires here, even as a squad player. I'd rather give the likes of MVG, Chalobah and RLC a chance than sign Paulinho. It would be a stupid signing not worth stunting the growth of the former three.

Again I reiterate we can do so much better than Paulinho especially if we raise the funds this summer. He would truly be an awful, awful signing. He is not the sort of midfielder we need at all at this moment.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

"Ramires and Matic offer us stability" Brace yourself for the inevitable disappointment.

yeah i saw that... though he did played Lampard and Luiz before Ramires a lot of times, which lead me to think he doesnt see him as a real starter in the future-stable team. I dont think Jose would want to keep starting Ramires in the more difficult games, and Lampard in the more 'easy' ones, like it has been this season. I think he would want it to be the same player. Thats real "stability". If he cant see Ramires isnt the right CM, so we're in trouble.

[bababoom 4,478]

The one that pisses me off the most is the "wait until we see how he performs for us before judging"

Why does that piss you off? He's obviously talented and i'd rather trust our board and Mourinho than these so called 'experts' on this forum.

[Sheva. 5,373]

The one that pisses me off the most is the "wait until we see how he performs for us before judging"

By that logic we might as well acquire a bunch of dross players from the conference league in hope that they exceed expectation. afterall we don't know how akinfenwa might perform for us, he might turn out to be another Drogba. like our jersey has supernatural powers that transforms dross into worldlies.

You could also buy WC players, who end up not performing at the required level.

Every transfer is a risk, from Paulinho to Kroos. Costa to Cavani - you just don't know how they will adapt to a new system or country. So i think it's more than fair to "wait until we see how he performs for us before judging"

[The Skipper 20,609]

Why does that piss you off? He's obviously talented and i'd rather trust our board and Mourinho than these so called 'experts' on this forum.

Because our board nor Mourinho have ever made a bad signing before?

[Jype 6,398]

I'd not hesitate to take the Paulinho who plays for Brazil if the top targets aren't available but the fraud who I've seen at Spurs can go fuck himself. Being a failure at Spurs this season might not have been his own fault because he's had to play under two clueless managers who had no idea how to utilize him, not to mention him still adapting to the English game, but there are some major question marks over him so the price would have to be very tempting for us to go after him. Spurs paid £17m for him last summer so something like £10-15m would represent good value IMO. No chance of Levy selling him to us for such a price...

[dee25 1,044]

Just be honest; you're going to back any possible transfer this summer because apparently Jose's making the calls. Making up nonsense about Paulinho spreading the play doesn't do much for your cause.

Paulinho spreads the play ffs. Yeah I think that's enough for me today, thanks.

Many were also pushing the Guarin signing as well, in the end we ended up putting in a little bit more money and bringing in a better quality player. I for one am we did.

20m is not small money at all. That's what.....25 million euros? Add another 5 million and that can get you a far better player than Paulinho. That some are actually suggesting that 20m for a mediocre player would be a value signing is really nothing more than a sad attempt to grasp at straws.

[lionsden 4,689]

You could also buy WC players, who end up not performing at the required level.

Every transfer is a risk, from Paulinho to Kroos. Costa to Cavani - you just don't know how they will adapt to a new system or country. So i think it's more than fair to "wait until we see how he performs for us before judging"

The difference is when you buy world class players in their prime, you are taking a calculated risk.

That's different to buying average players in the hope that they exceed expectation. The former bases judgement on logic and sound reasoning while the latter is based on fallacy and superstitions.

You don't make stupid and wild decisions just because nothing in life is a guarantee besides death and taxes.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Just be honest; you're going to back any possible transfer this summer because apparently Jose's making the calls. Making up nonsense about Paulinho spreading the play doesn't do much for your cause.

Paulinho spreads the play ffs. Yeah I think that's enough for me today, thanks.

No, but I'm going to try and understand it in the context of our financial model and put some trust in Jose that he's seen something in this guy that he can utilise. You can stick to your bashing with your 6 or 7 friends but I'm going to hold fire until I know more about the deal and see what he brings to this team.

Again, patience.

It's not hard to have better technique or a better eye for goal or for any player to be less impulsive than Ramires... That doesn't automatically make you an impressive player and it doesn't mean the Paulinho signing makes sense. If we sell Luiz and Mikel and lose Lampard we'll have more than enough funds to buy a top class midfielder, not an average one that's slightly better than Ramires (which again is very debatable - IMO an in form Ramires is better than Paulinho)

Firstly, I do think he's an upgrade and is better at making those simple passes which Ramires can struggle with. There's also the added goal threat from deep.

Now the financial aspect. Who is this top class midfielder that we could buy? Does he have a name or have you and Styles both misplaced it? Is it Modric like your friend lionsden suggested?

Also I think it's massively simplistic to not look at the other areas we need to spend in, not just now but in the future as well as the fact that we have a fair amount of young talent either looking to start next year and beyond. But that's just me....I actually want to give some of the young players a chance.

Besides, do you really think Levy would sell him for a cut price to us? He'll try and extort the highest amount of money from us, surely the Modric debacle proves that?

Paulinho doesn't seem to have any other suitors and has been marginalised in the last few months. Levy is a cunt but he needs to invest in that Spurs team to get the fans off his back and a £20 million hood ornament isn't exactly a useful thing to keep around.

There's no point in signing him if we have Ramires here, even as a squad player. I'd rather give the likes of MVG, Chalobah and RLC a chance than sign Paulinho. It would be a stupid signing not worth stunting the growth of the former three.

Maybe we're looking to ship Ramires on.

But now you want to give young players a go?? A minute ago you wanted us to sign a mysterious unnamed player who would be an immediate starter. How about you make a value signing who upgrades your position in the short-term for a modest cost in the prime of his playing days and who still has value in the market a few years down the line, kinda like a Meireles-type signing?? Does that make sense in any way?

Again I reiterate we can do so much better than Paulinho especially if we raise the funds this summer. He would truly be an awful, awful signing. He is not the sort of midfielder we need at all at this moment.

And I reiterate that I'm prepared to see how this plays out in the context of our other dealings before writing him off completely.

Patience innit blood.

[Spike 12,049]

He packs it in and gives up too easily.

[Sheva. 5,373]

The difference is when you buy world class players in their prime, you are taking a calculated risk.

That's different to buying average players in the hope that they exceed expectation. The former bases judgement on logic and sound reasoning while the latter is based on fallacy and superstitions.

You don't make stupid and wild decisions just because nothing in life is a guarantee besides death and taxes.

You think teams throw millions away based on superstitions?

Paulinho like you previously described is a Mourinho type player. And he could be available for a reasonable fee.

I'm sure he's not the only midfielder on Chelsea's wishlist, but at the end of the day, you can't always get what you want (Vidal) and might have to settle.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Honestly it seems like the same 6 or 7 faces are constantly popping up to deride anything the club does. This is not a ball-tingler of a deal and I don't think anyone is saying it is, but it seems like plenty of us have enough faith in the club to simply wait and see what happens here. Any transfer fees at this point are purely speculative as well so it's impossible to tell exactly what type of value we'd be getting.

Remember when the Matic deal was first being mooted - fees of €40 million were being chucked around. Despite what some might have you believe, our club isn't staffed by idiots. The reason we're talking about one midfielder being needed is because the current guys already signed Matic for a bargain price.

Last year we signed Van Ginkel as well, and he needs a chance this year. Then you've got Chalobah and Loftus-Cheek a little below that who are some of the brightest prospects of their generation.

Now of course there's an argument that we could sign other players for more, but who? Is Modric available as one miserable soul suggested? No. Even if he was he's in a whole other transfer demo. Vidal? Probably not. Cabaye? No. Kovacic? Another young-un who needs developing. Pogba? United were told no. Kroos? Wages are at least double and I'm not entirely sure he fits what we want.

Again, no-one is saying that this guy is a dead cert to be the player we need, but it is unfair to judge him solely by this season. To me he seems like a more intelligent Ramires, but he can also look ponderous on the ball and a little lacking in cojones. He has tremendous upside if Levy actually sells him for a realistic price and he's not a massive financial burden to us long-term and in that regard he could be likened to Guarin.

Mourinho backs himself to get the absolute most out of his players though and I think with guys like Guarin and Paulinho who have a lot of technical and physical gifts, it's like a red rag to a bull.

[Pizy 18,985]

Some people in here are acting like Paulinho is a Charlie Adam level player completely unfit for a PL side.

[didierforever 7,349]

Now of course there's an argument that we could sign other players for more, but who? Is Modric available as one miserable soul suggested? No. Even if he was he's in a whole other transfer demo. Vidal? Probably not. Cabaye? No. Kovacic? Another young-un who needs developing. Pogba? United were told no. Kroos? Wages are at least double and I'm not entirely sure he fits what we want.

rakitic?

[sherry33 234]

Oh no, it's one of those nightmare transfers. Someone please tell me we arent interested in this average Shitenham player. There are a lot of better ways to spend our money than using it on this lazy player.