pHaRaOn 2,131 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Bernard, Oscar and Neymar are the going to be the 3 moving forward. I understand that this is a chelsea forum, however, you guys really need to take your blue tinted glasses off. Willian did nothing for brazil and after this world cup, there a good chance he doesnt get called up again because of his age and the amount of ams brazil has in their u23s. Had willian never moved to chelsea, willian never would of gotten called up by scolari.How often have you seen Bernard's play at club level over the past year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 How often have you seen Bernard's play at club level over the past year?IN shaktar? None. For Brazil? every match on the national team and a few for club level. Bernard is the only ams that runs constantly. Oscar, neymar, willian, coutinho, lucas will not give the constant runs that bernard does for the team. It's mind boggling you guys cant see the potential in Bernard and the role/fit he has with the squad moving forward. He has very good technique, is fast/quick and a passes decently well. His only setback is he's a hobbit and will be limited in terms of his defensive output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couris 232 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 He was useless. All that technical skill for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted July 12, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 12, 2014 He was useless. All that technical skill for nothing. Next to Oscar he was easily the best Brazilian out there. Bir_CFC, Madmax, Ainsley Harriott and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Barbara 15,149 Posted July 12, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 12, 2014 "At the same time, Willian is a better player coming from the sides. In my opinion I would go with Oscar as a No. 10 and Willian coming from the side."- Josethat really comforts me. At least our manager knows how to use our players.I think Willian was decent today. But he's barely featured in this team (before and during the WC), so he was like an outsider trying to get a grasp of things. He did well, nothing exceptional, but I'm happy he was given a start.What really matters for me though is how he'll progress in his second season for us. I have such high expectations about him... Shakez, zolayes, The Skipper and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee25 1,044 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I think he's got immense ability and he's also fortunate to have physical strength and pace. The limitations in his game is really down to his mentality. He just needs to assert himself and be more daring on the ball. But he has all the tools in my opinion. kellzfresh, Barbara and zolayes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I think he's got immense ability and he's also fortunate to have physical strength and pace. The limitations in his game is really down to his mentality. He just needs to assert himself and be more daring on the ball. But he has all the tools in my opinion. KTF he has only had one year with us dee25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 that really comforts me. At least our manager is a real manager.FTFY. Barbara and The Chels 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 My one criticism of him apart from the obvious one (lacklustre end product in terms of finishing and delivery into the box) is that he's more worried about retaining possession rather than being direct and aggressive. couris and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 My one criticism of him apart from the obvious one (lacklustre end product in terms of finishing and delivery into the box) is that he's more worried about retaining possession rather than being direct and aggressive.Its crazy how much technical ability he has to be a much better dribbler. But he is as shy as an 18yr old when he is 25. If he can trust in his abilities more, he'll do things like what he did for us in our first goal against athletico madrid Barbara, Bluelsthecolour and lionsden 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Mario 638 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 he's gifted with his long shot ability yet i didnt see him doing that last night. I think he felt inferior because he thinks ppl rated players like Hulk better than him. This is his 1st WC and he wants to play it safe so he can be called in next comp.Such a waste, this Willian play with more freedom at Chelsea because our manager is so good at giving boost for his confidence kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Mustafa 885 Posted July 13, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 13, 2014 Man, I really really think this lad needs to be sat down and talked to about his strengths and how he can use them to become a top player one day. He has a great attitude and has great skill but he rarely shows initiative. Imo he doesn't take on his marker enough, have a pop at goal enough, attempt a penetrating pass enough. He seems to always cut in and switch the ball. I mean its seems like he's just there.... For me he has the ingredients to be a top quality player, but it just seems like his contribution to the team is limited to helping out the fullbacks defensively and trying to keep possession without doing anything positive. Ainsley Harriott, DYC., Beigl and 13 others 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Man, I really really think this lad needs to be sat down and talked to about his strengths and how he can use them to become a top player one day. He has a great attitude and has great skill but he rarely shows initiative. Imo he doesn't take on his marker enough, have a pop at goal enough, attempt a penetrating pass enough. He seems to always cut in and switch the ball. I mean its seems like he's just there.... For me he has the ingredients to be a top quality player, but it just seems like his contribution to the team is limited to helping out the fullbacks defensively and trying to keep possession without doing anything positive.Great post However - could it be argued that he lacks vision/footballing intelligence? I really hope not - as that is a difficult thing to teach - it's instinctive, or as you say it could be lack of Confidence - masking his abilities.If you listen to the best players - they shape a mental picture of what they want to happen when they receive the ball and execute it.Maybe we need to get Willian in with a Sports Psychologist - it wouldn't hurt and could address both Confidence and his execution.Whatever happens though - I like the guy, gives everything, every match - so really hope it gets sorted.Would love to see him in training - if he performs in a low pressure environment - then it is just confidence... Mustafa and Sidzeret 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Man, I really really think this lad needs to be sat down and talked to about his strengths and how he can use them to become a top player one day. He has a great attitude and has great skill but he rarely shows initiative. Imo he doesn't take on his marker enough, have a pop at goal enough, attempt a penetrating pass enough. He seems to always cut in and switch the ball. I mean its seems like he's just there.... For me he has the ingredients to be a top quality player, but it just seems like his contribution to the team is limited to helping out the fullbacks defensively and trying to keep possession without doing anything positive.Good post. Willian just reminds me of mikel in terms of not asserting himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Shakez 755 Posted July 13, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 13, 2014 Great post However - could it be argued that he lacks vision/footballing intelligence? I really hope not - as that is a difficult thing to teach - it's instinctive, or as you say it could be lack of Confidence - masking his abilities.If you listen to the best players - they shape a mental picture of what they want to happen when they receive the ball and execute it.Maybe we need to get Willian in with a Sports Psychologist - it wouldn't hurt and could address both Confidence and his execution.Whatever happens though - I like the guy, gives everything, every match - so really hope it gets sorted.Would love to see him in training - if he performs in a low pressure environment - then it is just confidence...I think he's some sort of training God, regarding the praise he get's from Lampard, Luiz, Mourinho etc. the guy never has been a prolific goalscorer though (neither has Hazard), but that didn't stop him from beïng picked as a regular at Corinthians, Shakthar and now Chelsea. He was the only AM that received some sort of praise from Mourinho at the end of the season. Anyway i also agree with Mourinho "that a player with his ability should score more goals". Fuck it, Schürrle and Willian should just fusion-dance Muzchap, The Skipper, Barbara and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Anyway i also agree with Mourinho "that a player with his ability should score more goals". Fuck it, Schürrle and Willian should just fusion-dance . They would make the perfect player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Jype 6,398 Posted July 13, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 13, 2014 KTF he has only had one year with usAlso worth noting that last season he didn't even have any pre-season with the team, having only arrived in late August when the season had already begun.I remain confident he'll make a much bigger impact this coming season, same goes for Schürrle too. Madmax, Ainsley Harriott, OneMoSalah and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 13, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 13, 2014 Yes it was his first season last year, but did he ever really show what he could be capable of?Schurrle showed in the Fulham game exactly what we could expect when he's settled (and against Stoke too). Hazard showed in his first season how great he could be too (the West Ham match springs to mind). Even Oscar showed on his debut against Juventus exactly what he was all about.To my mind Willian still hasn't done that. He's a tidy player but he really needs to actually start giving an end product. Muzchap, Amblève., Vybz Kartel and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Yes it was his first season last year, but did he ever really show what he could be capable of?Schurrle showed in the Fulham game exactly what we could expect when he's settled (and against Stoke too). Hazard showed in his first season how great he could be too (the West Ham match springs to mind). Even Oscar showed on his debut against Juventus exactly what he was all about.To my mind Willian still hasn't done that. He's a tidy player but he really needs to actually start giving an end product.He's too shy and prefers to be like mikel and pass the ball to the fullbacks/wingers instead of asserting himself once in a while.He sometimes reminds me of a talented 18yr old instead of a mature 25yr old The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Yes it was his first season last year, but did he ever really show what he could be capable of?Schurrle showed in the Fulham game exactly what we could expect when he's settled (and against Stoke too). Hazard showed in his first season how great he could be too (the West Ham match springs to mind). Even Oscar showed on his debut against Juventus exactly what he was all about.To my mind Willian still hasn't done that. He's a tidy player but he really needs to actually start giving an end product.I've seen enough of him at Shakhtar to tell his end product, while could still be better, is nowhere near as bad as we saw last season.A valid point that the others have shown more glimpses of what's to come if things go according to plan but I think Willian is also capable of great things and there is a reason why a bunch of clubs were willing to pay £30m for him last year. Coming into a new club and country is no easy task for a foreigner, especially for one who didn't speak English at the time, but he has already shown he's capable of adapting to living in countries like Ukraine and Russia which for a Brazilian are surely harder places to fit in than London so the mental strength should be there somewhere and hopefully by the start of the season he's fully ready for the challenges that lie ahead. If not, then there's always Schürrle who will definitely be a hit this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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