Fernando Torres

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

Yknow, the funniest thing about him, he thinks he knows what should be done with Torres. Meanwhile, 4 fucking managers did not do anything to help Torres the plank till now. It seems to me Cicerko is one gifted chap.

Apparently I know what should be done? Lolgasm

Cicerko? Double lolgasm

You really do conjure up nonsense. Though I do forgive you for being 13

[Tomo 21,751]

The hatred here for Torres is just bordering on funny now! I mean, i agree he hasn't produced what we all expected him to but jesus, some of you guys are behaving like a teenage kid who just wants to prove his point somehow and even if someone dis-agreess with you, you go all bitchy. For the record , i am with @ here. I will like to give Nando a year under Mourinho and then take it from there!

FFS this again.

No one hate's Torres, he just isn't good enough, what on earth do you expect us to do/say when we see someone we payed 100 fucking million pounds on (contract and transfer) put fuck all effort in and go on major goal droughts every season.

How many chances does he need? two years ago it was give him a full pre season and full summer rest and take it from there, last summer it was give him a chance as #1 now he doesn't have Drogba's shadow to deal with and now it's see what he can do under Jose, the guy's had enough chances, what next summer? get Alonso in and see if he can do anything?. if we don't sign another forward i would rather we rotated between Ba and Lukaku than play Torres, watching him is so embarrassing, i don't watch Chelsea with opposition fans mates as much as i use too.

[Tomo 21,751]

People need to just accept it for a 175k p/w player we got Di Santo/Carlton Cole level striker on our hands, could be decent in the Championship.

Over 80 matches in the League with 14 goals that says it all. I'd literally take Feruz ahead of Torres in a big game at least its an unknown quantity - with Torres we know what to expect a mental midget who can only score when there is no pressure.

In the championship you need to work hard and score goals, blondie does neither.

[Ankit 3,176]

FFS this again.

No one hate's Torres, he just isn't good enough, what on earth do you expect us to do/say when we see someone we payed 100 fucking million pounds on (contract and transfer) put fuck all effort in and go on major goal droughts every season.

How many chances does he need? two years ago it was give him a full pre season and full summer rest and take it from there, last summer it was give him a chance as #1 now he doesn't have Drogba's shadow to deal with and now it's see what he can do under Jose, the guy's had enough chances, what next summer? get Alonso in and see if he can do anything?. if we don't sign another forward i would rather we rotated between Ba and Lukaku than play Torres, watching him is so embarrassing, i don't watch Chelsea with opposition fans mates as much as i use too.

Read back a few pages, if that's not hatred then i wonder what is!

Now, i am not a Torres fanboy here, far from it but to say that he has put fuck all effort for the club is not what i concur! He has put effort(not always) , he is horribly inconsistent and lost all his confidence in front of the goal. His link up play is still much better than what people here make it out to be! As i said in my previous post, he has not done what we all expected him to do and he has a very poor ratio of goals scored in the league but he still has about 22/23 goals in the season and was the important part of our Europa league run. Why not a single mention of that? I am sure we were all very happy when we won the Europa, although it would be just a 2nd grade tournament now but we did and Torres won it for us! Again, not defending him or anything but i felt bad reading some of the comments made by the Chelsea fans on a player who plays for their club and wears the club jersey. Is he taking us to court like Suarez or is he openly stating that he want to leave like Rooney, is he asking for a pay rise? Did he fuck other players' wife? No, then what is all with the comments! I will be glad if he is sold and we buy a new striker but until that happens, at least maintain some decency towards him.

Did he ask us to pay 50 million pounds for him? Also if we have invested 100 million euros, i am pretty sure, with the amount of shirt sales and worldwide publicity, he has paid some of it back even if he hasn't paid it back on the field!!

[Phil Driver 503]

Jose is Torres last chance ,maybe he can relight the fire ,dont agree his link up play is good ,he is one thing, a goalscorer and at the moment he is not scoring in the big games,can never fault him for effort though because he is giving everything,the suspicion though is that he has lost a yard in pace and half a second in sharpness and he will never be as good as he was,he needs quicker service to be seen at his best and maybe Jose's counter attack football will help him ,i hope so.

[Tomo 21,751]

Read back a few pages, if that's not hatred then i wonder what is!

Now, i am not a Torres fanboy here, far from it but to say that he has put fuck all effort for the club is not what i concur! He has put effort(not always) , he is horribly inconsistent and lost all his confidence in front of the goal. His link up play is still much better than what people here make it out to be! As i said in my previous post, he has not done what we all expected him to do and he has a very poor ratio of goals scored in the league but he still has about 22/23 goals in the season and was the important part of our Europa league run. Why not a single mention of that? I am sure we were all very happy when we won the Europa, although it would be just a 2nd grade tournament now but we did and Torres won it for us! Again, not defending him or anything but i felt bad reading some of the comments made by the Chelsea fans on a player who plays for their club and wears the club jersey. Is he taking us to court like Suarez or is he openly stating that he want to leave like Rooney, is he asking for a pay rise? Did he fuck other players' wife? No, then what is all with the comments! I will be glad if he is sold and we buy a new striker but until that happens, at least maintain some decency towards him.

Did he ask us to pay 50 million pounds for him? Also if we have invested 100 million euros, i am pretty sure, with the amount of shirt sales and worldwide publicity, he has paid some of it back even if he hasn't paid it back on the field!!

He puts effort in spades but far too often he is lazy and just prances about, i keep a close eye on him when i go to SB and quite frankly it's cringeworthy, if he doesn't get a pass or embarrasses himself, his head drops and he disappears. Yes he played his part in winning the Europa but other's did too, it doesn't make up for the shit he's produced in the 2 and a half years, and just because he didn't take us to court doesn't mean he hasn't done stupid things. To be honest he didn't get the stick he deserved for the "he didn't care" comment, could you imagine if Sturridge said that? or Kalou? or even Drogba in his first couple of years.

As for the £50m, that "he didn't ask" excuse quite honestly doesn't wash with me, he knew that if he ever left Liverpool in his 20's he would command a massive (potentially record breaking) fee and with it would come huge pressure. The whole package was 100m pounds so in Euro's that will probably be roughly 115 euro's, 14 months after he arrived he was costing us £20m a goal.

It's not really his performances that grate me about Torres (i loved Sheva despite him being shite) it's the fact that instead of getting his head down and trying to prove people wrong he whined about not playing the Champions League final (i mean Nando, did you seriously expect us to pick you over one of the best big game players off all time? really?) and then after that Robbie had to convince him on the plane home to stay (when he should have been celebrating being a European cup winning manager), after the season and a half he had with us he should have been on his knees to Robbie and Roman begging not to have joined Malouda in the reserves.

Then there was that tunnel stop at Loftus Road and the straw that broke the camels back for me was the he didn't care comments. I can take crap players but if those crap players are making playing demands than that will never go down well with me. It's hard enough to take a great player with an ego let alone an awful one.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

The hatred here for Torres is just bordering on funny now! I mean, i agree he hasn't produced what we all expected him to but jesus, some of you guys are behaving like a teenage kid who just wants to prove his point somehow and even if someone dis-agreess with you, you go all bitchy. For the record , i am with @ here. I will like to give Nando a year under Mourinho and then take it from there!

Top clubs need top strikers, elementary rule to challenge for trophies.

[Tomo 21,751]

Jose is Torres last chance ,maybe he can relight the fire ,dont agree his link up play is good ,he is one thing, a goalscorer and at the moment he is not scoring in the big games,can never fault him for effort though because he is giving everything,the suspicion though is that he has lost a yard in pace and half a second in sharpness and he will never be as good as he was,he needs quicker service to be seen at his best and maybe Jose's counter attack football will help him ,i hope so.

One last chance under Mourinho? how many last chances is he going to get?

2011 it was give him a full summer break, more service and a full pre season with us. The result? a 24 game goal drought to beat his 17 game one the previous campaign.

Last summer it was give him a chance now he doesn't have Drogba's shadow and we have signed more creative number 10's, then in November it was lets see how he does under Rafa the result? 5 months without a PL goal under a manager he supposedly thrives under aswel as another run of 1 goal against Brentford in 16.

Now it's give him a season under Mourinho. What next summer when this experiment is yet another epic fail? Get Alonso and Mascerano in as they were playing for Liverpool when he was at his peak?

It's time to accept we signed a dud, Liverpool did it with Carroll and Downing, we did it with Sheva, it's time we do the same now.

[Phil Driver 503]

Well he is obviously getting a season with Mourinho hence the one last chance ,I doubt he will ever be the player we expected,his last chance is Jose ,can he work miracles ,probably not,but if anyone can it is Jose.

[Ankit 3,176]

He puts effort in spades but far too often he is lazy and just prances about, i keep a close eye on him when i go to SB and quite frankly it's cringeworthy, if he doesn't get a pass or embarrasses himself, his head drops and he disappears. Yes he played his part in winning the Europa but other's did too, it doesn't make up for the shit he's produced in the 2 and a half years, and just because he didn't take us to court doesn't mean he hasn't done stupid things. To be honest he didn't get the stick he deserved for the "he didn't care" comment, could you imagine if Sturridge said that? or Kalou? or even Drogba in his first couple of years.

As for the £50m, that "he didn't ask" excuse quite honestly doesn't wash with me, he knew that if he ever left Liverpool in his 20's he would command a massive (potentially record breaking) fee and with it would come huge pressure. The whole package was 100m pounds so in Euro's that will probably be roughly 115 euro's, 14 months after he arrived he was costing us £20m a goal.

It's not really his performances that grate me about Torres (i loved Sheva despite him being shite) it's the fact that instead of getting his head down and trying to prove people wrong he whined about not playing the Champions League final (i mean Nando, did you seriously expect us to pick you over one of the best big game players off all time? really?) and then after that Robbie had to convince him on the plane home to stay (when he should have been celebrating being a European cup winning manager), after the season and a half he had with us he should have been on his knees to Robbie and Roman begging not to have joined Malouda in the reserves.

Then there was that tunnel stop at Loftus Road and the straw that broke the camels back for me was the he didn't care comments. I can take crap players but if those crap players are making playing demands than that will never go down well with me. It's hard enough to take a great player with an ego let alone an awful one.

Fair enough! But that "I didn't care" comment, to me , was more like he was talking about himself maturing into a better man and trying to overcome his faliures!

‘I learned to look at myself and to realise that the only person that can change is you,’ he said. ‘The only person who can say, “You’re making mistakes, you’ve got to do something” is you. I became more mature, I came to know myself better and became conscious of the fact that it depends on me.' These were his words form the same article where he said "He didn't care". I remember Drogba saying something on the similar line after Jose was sacked. He wanted to leave but he didn't and grew as a player and a human being. Now , not comparing Torres to Drogba here, but those comments can be perceived differently from different angles.

What i mean by all this is if Jose wanted to get rid of him, he would have already. No doubt about that! But Torres is in his plans and Jose has said that he is one of the players who trains the hardest. So , if Jose is giving him a chance, lets just get off his back and even if we can't fully support him, lets just hope he does something good for the team. If he doesn't, we all know what Jose would do, he would shun him out and Nando will be out sooner rather than later.

[Ankit 3,176]

Top clubs need top strikers, elementary rule to challenge for trophies.

Ok, considering RVP won Utd the trophy, that is the flavor of the season but elementary rule? Not really, why i say that is because during Jose's first season in charge here, that wasn't the case but we still won it by a record margin. Now i agree that times have changed, may be but i still think our strike force right now is capable enough to challenge for the title!

[didierforever 7,349]

Read back a few pages, if that's not hatred then i wonder what is!

Now, i am not a Torres fanboy here, far from it but to say that he has put fuck all effort for the club is not what i concur! He has put effort(not always) , he is horribly inconsistent and lost all his confidence in front of the goal. His link up play is still much better than what people here make it out to be! As i said in my previous post, he has not done what we all expected him to do and he has a very poor ratio of goals scored in the league but he still has about 22/23 goals in the season and was the important part of our Europa league run. Why not a single mention of that? I am sure we were all very happy when we won the Europa, although it would be just a 2nd grade tournament now but we did and Torres won it for us! Again, not defending him or anything but i felt bad reading some of the comments made by the Chelsea fans on a player who plays for their club and wears the club jersey. Is he taking us to court like Suarez or is he openly stating that he want to leave like Rooney, is he asking for a pay rise? Did he fuck other players' wife? No, then what is all with the comments! I will be glad if he is sold and we buy a new striker but until that happens, at least maintain some decency towards him.

Did he ask us to pay 50 million pounds for him? Also if we have invested 100 million euros, i am pretty sure, with the amount of shirt sales and worldwide publicity, he has paid some of it back even if he hasn't paid it back on the field!!

the amount of things i found funny in this posts are simply countless.

lets start with his "EFFORT". now when and where exactly have you seen him put in "effort". i dont know how much of it he puts in the training but on the field his workrate and "effort" is more often than not, horrible. and this is not something thats coming off the blue. strikers like torres, higuain are not really known for their workrate all over the pitch compared to some1 like cavani, tevez, DD etc. what torres was mostly known for was his pace (which is GONE), his dribbling (its now non-existent and whenever he does try it, the ball ends up with the opposition) and his finishing (hahahaha - i dont think i need to tell a chelsea fan any thing about torres' finishing).

anyways i am going off-topic here. as you said he puts in a lot of "effort". to contradict that i would ask you to watch his performance in the CL final and EL final. now that was effort. he WON us the corner which led to the DD goal and it was not just an attempted cross that hit the defender and went out, torres actually fought for the ball and ended up earning a corner. THAT'S EFFORT. similarly his performance in the EL final. he wanted to prove something to the world and what better stage than a final, and hence his only good goal in the blue-shirt (please dont say barca here). those 2 performances from torres clearly say that he simply does not give 100% for chelsea while playing a league game and i for one dont want a player who earns 200k/week but cant put his heart on the line (he should probably just go to ramires and ask for a few pointers).

the myth of his LINK-UP play was solved during the madrid match. moreover how do you expect some1 to be good at link up play when he cant hold the ball, falls down at the first touch of the defender and looses the ball 90% of the time, it touches his feet.

some1 did an awesome goal to goal analysis of all the goals torres has scored in the chelsea shirt sometime back. the level of the teams that torres scored against came out to be relegation threatened/championship level/europa league level. a club of chelsea's stature wants it striker to be a match changer in a semi-final of a CL (remember DD or very recently remember what lewandowski did), instead i seriously doubt any true chelsea supporter would want to see torres starting in a CL final against any of RM, barca, BM. would u?

so u think only because torres is not taking us to court, or saying that he wants to leave (i would actually start loving him that day) or that he does not fuck other players' wife (what a cheap shot) - that makes him a GOOD PLAYER? we are supposed to adore, respect and like a player because he has not done the above mentioned 3 things? I WOULD RATHER WANT MY PLAYER TO PLAY WELL ON THE FIELD. JT fucked a teammates' wife and still is regarded as a LEGEND, because he gives his all for the team, and you can see it him. so dont talk shit and give such childish excuses.

torres knew what he was doing when he signed for us. he knew he was a 50mil striker. he signed the contract which made him that. what did he think it was gonna be? a FIFA-ESQUE world where nothing matters and everything was gonna be hunky-dory no matter what. he knew the risks, he knew the amount of pressure he was inviting and now he has to deal with the scorn. as for the jersey sales - lets not become all become ROMAN. how many jerseys torres sells does in now way help US, what does help us is the players and the team performing well on the pitch and winning trophies.

in short we have a striker whose workrate sucks, i seriously dont remember any long range goals from him (newcastle was out of the box so i ll give him the benefit of doubt there), who definitely is not a game-changer, passing is poor and he earns 200k/week and probably would hamper the development of one the most promising strikers in the world and also his sulkiness on getting decent game-time might effect the team morale.

so what should we be cheering about or what should we be supporting him for? i ll start supposrting him when he starts caring about the chelsea jersey, he not gonna get without fighting for it.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Ok, considering RVP won Utd the trophy, that is the flavor of the season but elementary rule? Not really, why i say that is because during Jose's first season in charge here, that wasn't the case but we still won it by a record margin. Now i agree that times have changed, may be but i still think our strike force right now is capable enough to challenge for the title!

Are you comparing Eideur Gudjohnsen, Hernan Crespo and Didier Drogba to Demba Ba, Lukaku and Torres ? Three quality stikers and very different profiles, Eideur was perfect when you needed technique, Drogba the enforcer and Crespo for his finishing, I dont think our three strikers now are near that level, Torres with his zero capacities wont even be counted, Lukaku is young to have the impact of a Drogba in big matches, and Demba Ba cant find form playing one match in two weeks.

[Ankit 3,176]

Are you comparing Eideur Gudjohnsen, Hernan Crespo and Didier Drogba to Demba Ba, Lukaku and Torres ? Three quality stikers and very different profiles, Eideur was perfect when you needed technique, Drogba the enforcer and Crespo for his finishing, I dont think our three strikers now are near that level, Torres with his zero capacities wont even be counted, Lukaku is young to have the impact of a Drogba in big matches, and Demba Ba cant find form playing one match in two weeks.

Crespo? Wasn't he sold by Jose because of his manner problems? Eider and Drogba were both used brilliantly by Jose, neither of them ran riots in front of the goals but Jose knew when to use them and they delivered. And that is what i am hoping would happen with Torres, Lukaku and BA. Ofcourse they are not perfect strikeforce for any team but with the likes of Hazard, Schurlle, Mata, Oscar, KDB, i am more optimistic than others. I, for one think that Chelsea right now can go into the league and compete on all fronts equally.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Crespo? Wasn't he sold by Jose because of his manner problems? Eider and Drogba were both used brilliantly by Jose, neither of them ran riots in front of the goals but Jose knew when to use them and they delivered. And that is what i am hoping would happen with Torres, Lukaku and BA. Ofcourse they are not perfect strikeforce for any team but with the likes of Hazard, Schurlle, Mata, Oscar, KDB, i am more optimistic than others. I, for one think that Chelsea right now can go into the league and compete on all fronts equally.

Crespo is a simple man that did not like to live in England, on the pitch he delivered quite well.José knew, will José know ? We need Rooney because he brings guaranties.

[Ankit 3,176]

the amount of things i found funny in this posts are simply countless.

lets start with his "EFFORT". now when and where exactly have you seen him put in "effort". i dont know how much of it he puts in the training but on the field his workrate and "effort" is more often than not, horrible. and this is not something thats coming off the blue. strikers like torres, higuain are not really known for their workrate all over the pitch compared to some1 like cavani, tevez, DD etc. what torres was mostly known for was his pace (which is GONE), his dribbling (its now non-existent and whenever he does try it, the ball ends up with the opposition) and his finishing (hahahaha - i dont think i need to tell a chelsea fan any thing about torres' finishing).

anyways i am going off-topic here. as you said he puts in a lot of "effort". to contradict that i would ask you to watch his performance in the CL final and EL final. now that was effort. he WON us the corner which led to the DD goal and it was not just an attempted cross that hit the defender and went out, torres actually fought for the ball and ended up earning a corner. THAT'S EFFORT. similarly his performance in the EL final. he wanted to prove something to the world and what better stage than a final, and hence his only good goal in the blue-shirt (please dont say barca here). those 2 performances from torres clearly say that he simply does not give 100% for chelsea while playing a league game and i for one dont want a player who earns 200k/week but cant put his heart on the line (he should probably just go to ramires and ask for a few pointers).

the myth of his LINK-UP play was solved during the madrid match. moreover how do you expect some1 to be good at link up play when he cant hold the ball, falls down at the first touch of the defender and looses the ball 90% of the time, it touches his feet.

some1 did an awesome goal to goal analysis of all the goals torres has scored in the chelsea shirt sometime back. the level of the teams that torres scored against came out to be relegation threatened/championship level/europa league level. a club of chelsea's stature wants it striker to be a match changer in a semi-final of a CL (remember DD or very recently remember what lewandowski did), instead i seriously doubt any true chelsea supporter would want to see torres starting in a CL final against any of RM, barca, BM. would u?

so u think only because torres is not taking us to court, or saying that he wants to leave (i would actually start loving him that day) or that he does not fuck other players' wife (what a cheap shot) - that makes him a GOOD PLAYER? we are supposed to adore, respect and like a player because he has not done the above mentioned 3 things? I WOULD RATHER WANT MY PLAYER TO PLAY WELL ON THE FIELD. JT fucked a teammates' wife and still is regarded as a LEGEND, because he gives his all for the team, and you can see it him. so dont talk shit and give such childish excuses.

torres knew what he was doing when he signed for us. he knew he was a 50mil striker. he signed the contract which made him that. what did he think it was gonna be? a FIFA-ESQUE world where nothing matters and everything was gonna be hunky-dory no matter what. he knew the risks, he knew the amount of pressure he was inviting and now he has to deal with the scorn. as for the jersey sales - lets not become all become ROMAN. how many jerseys torres sells does in now way help US, what does help us is the players and the team performing well on the pitch and winning trophies.

in short we have a striker whose workrate sucks, i seriously dont remember any long range goals from him (newcastle was out of the box so i ll give him the benefit of doubt there), who definitely is not a game-changer, passing is poor and he earns 200k/week and probably would hamper the development of one the most promising strikers in the world and also his sulkiness on getting decent game-time might effect the team morale.

so what should we be cheering about or what should we be supporting him for? i ll start supposrting him when he starts caring about the chelsea jersey, he not gonna get without fighting for it.

If all that's true, why hasn't Jose sold him yet? Why is he keeping him on the books, if he is so bad! Why would any coach keep him in his team, let alone the special one! Please don't come up with "He is roman's buy, roman will never sell him".

I never asked you to adore him or respect him but there is a think known as "Middle ground". You don't have to be extreme in your reactions and feelings!

[Ankit 3,176]

Crespo is a simple man that did not like to live in England, on the pitch he delivered quite well.José knew, will José know ? We need Rooney because he brings guaranties.

Sorry but i din't get that? What do you mean?

[didierforever 7,349]

If all that's true, why hasn't Jose sold him yet? Why is he keeping him on the books, if he is so bad! Why would any coach keep him in his team, let alone the special one! Please don't come up with "He is roman's buy, roman will never sell him".

I never asked you to adore him or respect him but there is a think known as "Middle ground". You don't have to be extreme in your reactions and feelings!

i think there is a very simple answer to it all - NO ONE WANTS HIM!!! ever think of that? would you want to buy a 29/30 year old hugely OVER-RATED striker who would cost about 10-15 mil (on the lower side) plus has the wages of 200k/week.

also jose's stance on torres will be very aparent in a few weeks when torres wont find a place on even on the bench (of course he ll start those carling cup matches though).

the middle ground was lost last season when torres gave up absolutely and completely at the half way point of the season.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Sorry but i din't get that? What do you mean?

I trust Mourinho's capacities to fix our Chelsea, but Torres and BA are not good enough, José knows how to manage talent but these two does not reach the level of talent to bring titles.I dont think he will make Torres score 33 goals per season like he did with Drogba for an example and same goes for BA.What he can do is to play one of them in a match where they can make the difference but dont exepct them to flourish, they wont be different kind of players because they are too old for that.I hope he'll use them to get the maximum of their talent but dont be surprised if Mourinho fails.

[Ankit 3,176]

i think there is a very simple answer to it all - NO ONE WANTS HIM!!! ever think of that? would you want to buy a 29/30 year old hugely OVER-RATED striker who would cost about 10-15 mil (on the lower side) plus has the wages of 200k/week.

also jose's stance on torres will be very aparent in a few weeks when torres wont find a place on even on the bench (of course he ll start those carling cup matches though).

the middle ground was lost last season when torres gave up absolutely and completely at the half way point of the season.

Here's a 4 month old article where Atletico Mdrid's boss wants him. http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/386551/Diego-Simeone-wants-Fernando-Torres-back-at-Atletico-Madrid

Valencia are reportedly interested in him : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2381357/Fernando-Torres-wanted-Valencia-replace-Roberto-Soldado.html

Here's Jose saying he is happy with him : http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/330223/Banish-those-blues-Jose-Mourinho-urges-Fernando-Torres-to-stay