Fernando Torres

[chelseathebest 150]

I was so fucking embarrassed to see him wear the armband.

It's a fucking disgrace.

That was pretty low from Rafa...

[yuvala 2,167]

I was so fucking embarrassed to see him wear the armband.

It's a fucking disgrace.

That was pretty low from Rafa...

One last farewell to piss us all off.

[Ollie 4,400]

Torres asked to leave? Awesome. He clearly knows that Mourinho will buy a striker and make him rot in the reserves. Torres doesn't deserve to play in a Mourinho Chelsea team. Thanks but ya know... do one Nando.

[yuvala 2,167]

Torres asked to leave? Awesome. He clearly knows that Mourinho will buy a striker and make him rot in the reserves. Torres doesn't deserve to play in a Mourinho Chelsea team. Thanks but ya know... do one Nando.

I wish he did .

But what he actually said is that he wants to stay for years to come.

[mediator 2,026]

Chelsea striker’s wages stop link up with Benitez at Napoli

[Milan 17,862]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5V3Ixop5Oo

[mountaineerfly 10]

can't believe people are writing off demba ba before he has even had a full season & pre season under his belt. Judge him after next season. I remember anelka didnt really play well for us when he joined in January too.

[ZanSnake 1,211]

Just waiting for the news that would purge this thread past 500 pages. Oh Holy Hell will the interwebz freeze over

[Mustafa 885]

Here's why I don't think he'll be sold this summer; 1. We'll only have 2 strikers.. Like this past season.(Because ftankly, all of our potential buys are heavily linked elsewhere.. Falcao,Lewa, Cavani) 2. He's shit! 3. He's not getting any younger and at 29 past peak.

Torres will stay .. Trust me

[yuvala 2,167]

[BlueDude 49]

I bet Torres would be the popular guy in prison.

[Severinb 309]

What scares me is didnt mou want him before he joined liverpool? I remember us going for him when he was still at atletico? Not sure if its true does anybody know?

[HRiver 1,512]

What scares me is didnt mou want him before he joined liverpool? I remember us going for him when he was still at atletico? Not sure if its true does anybody know?

So what, even a 6 year old knows Torres isn't the same anymore, let alone Jose.

[robsblubot 3,544]

can't believe people are writing off demba ba before he has even had a full season & pre season under his belt. Judge him after next season. I remember anelka didnt really play well for us when he joined in January too.

This is a discussion we've had around here before: judging current ability is much easier than potential ability. Demba Ba is 28, his game will not change that much--same with his body. We've seen countless games of him playing for Newcastle and now Chelsea.

Yes, he can improve a bit. More adapted to the team and the training, but what I see is a good squad player nothing more. He is just not technical enough for a team like Chelsea. Smaller sides can start a player like him and play to his strengths, but Chelsea need a player who can participate and link up play with the other technical players we've got. I reckon Ba just doesn't have the quality to do that (first touch, quickness, short dribbling, etc).

Ba is a good player, but expecting him to be as good as A RVP or Aguero (would cite others but let's not go there) would be delusional.

Ba is a lot better at finishing than Torres ATM. Ba can also handle physical game a lot better (though I feel he goes to the ground too often for a guy of his size). Everything else, other aspects of the game, I think Torres is (still) superior. Yes, my opinion is debatable, esp because confidence and form do affect technique (Torres end of the season > start of the season). Some aspects are not debatable, such as pace and quick turns, etc.

With all that out of the way, let me emphasize that IMO neither is good enough to start for Chelsea.

* and Torres not being good enough does not make Ba good enough either.

[mybodyisready 155]

can't believe people are writing off demba ba before he has even had a full season & pre season under his belt. Judge him after next season. I remember anelka didnt really play well for us when he joined in January too.

I'm really not trying to start a race war here but in my very honest opinion, if Ba wasn't black you wouldn't be posting that

again no offence or anything

[Stingray 9,441]

Ow shit ....

[Reddish-Blue 2,370]

What scares me is didnt mou want him before he joined liverpool? I remember us going for him when he was still at atletico? Not sure if its true does anybody know?

A number of clubs were after the young, gifted Torres whilst he was an Atletico player.

As for Torres now, I can only hope he leaves the club.

[Reddish-Blue 2,370]

This is a discussion we've had around here before: judging current ability is much easier than potential ability. Demba Ba is 28, his game will not change that much--same with his body. We've seen countless games of him playing for Newcastle and now Chelsea.

Yes, he can improve a bit. More adapted to the team and the training, but what I see is a good squad player nothing more. He is just not technical enough for a team like Chelsea. Smaller sides can start a player like him and play to his strengths, but Chelsea need a player who can participate and link up play with the other technical players we've got. I reckon Ba just doesn't have the quality to do that (first touch, quickness, short dribbling, etc).

Ba is a good player, but expecting him to be as good as A RVP or Aguero (would cite others but let's not go there) would be delusional.

Ba is a lot better at finishing than Torres ATM. Ba can also handle physical game a lot better (though I feel he goes to the ground too often for a guy of his size). Everything else, other aspects of the game, I think Torres is (still) superior. Yes, my opinion is debatable, esp because confidence and form do affect technique (Torres end of the season > start of the season). Some aspects are not debatable, such as pace and quick turns, etc.

With all that out of the way, let me emphasize that IMO neither is good enough to start for Chelsea.

* and Torres not being good enough does not make Ba good enough either.

Well said.

I just think Ba is a limited striker now. The injuries he's had over his career are finally catching up to him...he just doesn't seem to have that extra spark in him anymore.

Sure, he can put in the odd top-notch performance but he shouldn't be starting for a club like Chelsea.

Overall, I reckon Ba is still a good squad player and he'll play a role in the development of Lukaku...by taking some pressure off the youngster.