🇪🇸 Fernando Torres

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Or the team lost cos thrice we went on a counter.

Once hazard went past 2 men, passed the ball at the edge of the box to torres, and he chipped thr ball to the keeper

The rest 2 times, rambo and Eden made brilliant runs only for him to lose the ball. Exchange cavani and torres for those chamces and atleast one of them would have been a goal

Ooooooh come on man, there is no need to cruel. You seriously didn't have to remind of me those ones. They were too painful to watch the first time.

[Jase 43,479]

When a player gets criticized publicly by the manager, one would think the player will respond with a proper performance on the pitch but with Torres, he doesn't seem to have any decency or self respect to do that. Was his useless self last night, stuck in his own shell and didn't even try to prove Mourinho wrong. Absolute garbage!

[Special Juan 28,141]

When a player gets criticized publicly by the manager, one would think the player will respond with a proper performance on the pitch but with Torres, he doesn't seem to have any decency or self respect to do that. Was his useless self last night, stuck in his own shell and didn't even try to prove Mourinho wrong. Absolute garbage!

You rate him higher than me.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Jose said he could write a comedy about Balotelli. What could he write about Fernando? His suicide letter?!

[Styles 9,790]

Jose said he could write a comedy about Balotelli. What could he write about Fernando? His suicide letter?!

A tragedy.

[lionsden 4,689]

And predictably he's made a scapegoat for the team's woeful performamce in the 2nd half. Was he the reason why we were chasing shadows throughout the 2nd half and failed to manage a shot on target after Hazard's pen?. When will people just admit that we play pathetic, one dimensional football collectively as a team and often struggle to retain possession against top/decent teams and when we do have majority of possession against crap teams who strategically let us have the ball, we rarely do anything meaningful with it barring some moments of individual brilliance.

Until we learn how to keep the ball and create quality chances against any defence, we will continue to have this issue. Jose is out of touch with reality if he expects our strikers/players to convert most half chances they get scarcely in matches.

Messi who's arguably the most efficient and most clinical finisher in the world has a conversion rate of just 26 % and Jose expects us as a team to have damn near 100% conversion ratio from scrappy, half chances? How about we figure out how to create quality chances in abundance first instead of scapegoating a striker who everyone already acknowledges as awful for our lack of attacking fluency and ideas.

[The only place to be 11,313]

And predictably he's made a scapegoat for the team's woeful performamce in the 2nd half. Was he the reason why we were chasing shadows throughout the 2nd half and failed to manage a shot on target after Hazard's pen?. When will people just admit that we play pathetic, one dimensional football collectively as a team and often struggle to retain possession against top/decent teams and when we do have majority of possession against crap teams who strategically let us have the ball, we rarely do anything meaningful with it barring some moments of individual brilliance.

Until we learn how to keep the ball and create quality chances against any defence, we will continue to have this issue. Jose is out of touch with reality if he expects our strikers/players to convert most half chances they get scarcely in matches.

Messi who's arguably the most efficient and most clinical finisher in the world has a conversion rate of just 26 % and Jose expects us as a team to have damn near 100% conversion ratio from scrappy, half chances? How about we figure out how to create quality chances in abundance first instead of scapegoating a striker who everyone already acknowledges as awful for our lack of attacking fluency and ideas.

It's amazing how people like you simply can't recognise the importance a striker plays in the overall shape of the team. It's like you think all they do is pop up and finish chances when they do far more than that, well at most clubs anyway.

And yes, his introduction and Schurrle's removal was part of the reason their midfield grew as the game went on because there was less pressing on the likes of Motta (who was being marked by Oscar) and Verratti.

[Tomo 21,751]

Fernando was not the one who let in an easy chance from the near post go in, his not the one who failed to take a cross like a proper WC keeper who hv done for the 2nd goal. His been terrible but dont try and pin our short comings on him

Constant fuking up our counters, losing the ball when other's have made good run's into space, trips over himself, needi go on.

Eto'o even when he has a poor game, can hold onto the ball, use his brain to bring other's into play, basically he gets the basic's right even on an off day.

He is a big part off the problem when he plays, conceding goals may not be his doing, but effectively acting like a defender for the opposition, is all down to him.

[Eligius 121]

Constant fuking up our counters, losing the ball when other's have made good run's into space, trips over himself, needi go on.

Eto'o even when he has a poor game, can hold onto the ball, use his brain to bring other's into play, basically he gets the basic's right even on an off day.

He is a big part off the problem when he plays, conceding goals may not be his doing, but effectively acting like a defender for the opposition, is all down to him.

Disagree.

The counter was messed up from Ramires positioning.

Eto is better than Torres, but Eto wasn't an option.

[Tomo 21,751]

Disagree.

The counter was messed up from Ramires positioning.

Eto is better than Torres, but Eto wasn't an option.

I wasn't thinking exclusively last night, more his career with us as a whole.

[lionsden 4,689]

I will like to see what people will blame our attacking deficiencies on when we buy a worldclass/top striker and the current problem of struggling to break down compact defences and inability to retain quality possession still persist. Some people are in for a rude awakening.

The only way I see this problem being neutralised is if we can somehow find a striker with 96-100 % efficiency rate, who would make the absolute most of every scraps he gets because that's what our strikers usually have to feed on/work with. such striker might exist on mars.

with the way we play football, I don't see a top striker changing much. the changes must come from the training ground which starts with a change of mentality, philosophy and direction.

We all watch football and how many times have we seen world class strikers struggle because they were left isolated, frustrated and deprived of quality services upfront leading to an ineffective attacking impact from these top strikers. It happens quite a lot especially in big games due to a tactical approach and set up that doesn't allow strikers to flourish.

[oldportblue 547]

I will like to see what people will blame our attacking deficiencies on when we buy a worldclass/top striker and the current problem of struggling to break down compact defences and inability to retain quality possession still persist. Some people are in for a rude awakening.

The only way I see this problem being neutralised is if we can somehow find a striker with 96-100 % efficiency rate, who would make the absolute most of every scraps he gets because that's what our strikers usually have to feed on/work with. such striker might exist on mars.

with the way we play football, I don't see a top striker changing much. the changes must come from the training ground which starts with a change of mentality, philosophy and direction.

so according to you, hypothetically, we could take our entire starting line-up as is, take out torres and put in any one of costa, suarez, aguero, cavani and the results for this season would be more or less the same? that we wouldn't score more goals? you're kidding right?

at this level, having a top level striker is an absolute must if you want to win trophies and having an absolute donkey up top is an insurmontable barrier... hell, even with eto'o who is getting old, the difference when samuel plays and when torres plays is like night and day! we would have actually had a good chance to get 2-3 goals yesterday with eto'o rather than torres/schurrle(not andre's fault, he's not really a striker)

[The Skipper 20,609]

so according to you, hypothetically, we could take our entire starting line-up as is, take out torres and put in any one of costa, suarez, aguero, cavani and the results for this season would be more or less the same? that we wouldn't score more goals? you're kidding right?

at this level, having a top level striker is an absolute must if you want to win trophies and having an absolute donkey up top is an insurmontable barrier... hell, even with eto'o who is getting old, the difference when samuel plays and when torres plays is like night and day! we would have actually had a good chance to get 2-3 goals yesterday with eto'o rather than torres/schurrle(not andre's fault, he's not really a striker)

I will like to see what people will blame our attacking deficiencies on when we buy a worldclass/top striker and the current problem of struggling to break down compact defences and inability to retain quality possession still persist. Some people are in for a rude awakening.

The only way I see this problem being neutralised is if we can somehow find a striker with 96-100 % efficiency rate, who would make the absolute most of every scraps he gets because that's what our strikers usually have to feed on/work with. such striker might exist on mars.

with the way we play football, I don't see a top striker changing much. the changes must come from the training ground which starts with a change of mentality, philosophy and direction.

We all watch football and how many times have we seen world class strikers left isolated, frustrated and deprived of quality services upfront leading to an ineffective attacking impact from these top strikers.

You're both right, a striker would've definitely glossed over some of our problems this season but at the same time we need a change of approach/mentality in some games.

[Sheva. 5,373]

No doubt we struggle to create chances, but at the same time, a top striker can turn half chances into something, and not lose the ball every damn time it comes to him.

Eto'os goal vs Arsenal is a good example. If it was Torres in that exact same position, no way in hell we would score there.

[lionsden 4,689]

so according to you, hypothetically, we could take our entire starting line-up as is, take out torres and put in any one of costa, suarez, aguero, cavani and the results for this season would be more or less the same? that we wouldn't score more goals? you're kidding right?

at this level, having a top level striker is an absolute must if you want to win trophies and having an absolute donkey up top is an insurmontable barrier... hell, even with eto'o who is getting old, the difference when samuel plays and when torres plays is like night and day! we would have actually had a good chance to get 2-3 goals yesterday with eto'o rather than torres/schurrle(not andre's fault, he's not really a striker)

I'm telling you that these top strikers have scoring ratio less than 25% most of the time and they are able to flourish and score as many goals as they do because their respective teams are usually very creative and they are constantly fed with top quality service to work with. The amount of chances Aguero, Suarez,Cavani miss is mindblowing but they are allowed to do that because they usually have plenty of opportunities over the course of the game to rectify their mistake.

How many dead easy/ clean through on goal/one on one/easy tap ins have our strikers had this season and missed. I bet it's not even up to 8 . but we are led to believe the team creates chances which our strikers often fail to capitalise on.

With our current set up and tactical approach any striker would struggle (by their usual standard) and wouldn't perform optimally because we do not provide the right conditions for strikers to flourish. it really is that simple.

We might score more goals but it will simply paper over the cracks.

We need to address the underlying issue first and foremost.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I will like to see what people will blame our attacking deficiencies on when we buy a worldclass/top striker and the current problem of struggling to break down compact defences and inability to retain quality possession still persist. Some people are in for a rude awakening.

Or we might be successful. Then what would you moan about (because you do fuck all else Alf).

With our current set up and tactical approach any striker would struggle and wouldn't perform optimally because we do not provide the right conditions for strikers to flourish. it really is that simple.

Then what would you do to fix it?

Or are you actually just that miserable old git that exists in every pub who simply moans about shit but never actually comes up with anything positive to say?

[Eligius 121]

I'm telling you that these top strikers have scoring ratio less than 25% most of the time and they are able to flourish and score as many goals as they do because their respective teams are usually very creative and they are constantly fed with top quality service to work with. The amount of chances Aguero, Suarez,Cavani miss is mindblowing but they are allowed to do that because they usually have plenty of opportunities over the course of the game to rectify their mistake.

How many dead easy/ clean through on goal/one on one/easy tap ins have our strikers had this season and missed. I bet it's not even up to 8 . but we are led to believe the team creates chances which our strikers often fail to capitalise on.

With our current set up and tactical approach any striker would struggle (by their usual standard) and wouldn't perform optimally because we do not provide the right conditions for strikers to flourish. it really is that simple.

We might score more goals but it will simply paper over the cracks.

We need to address the underlying issue first and foremost.

I agree.

The setup was never meant for a striker to succeed. However, with Mourinho, I don't think that will change in the near future, so, it will stay like this only we get a new manager.

[Las7 951]

People who keep saying how a striker would not make a difference - should ask themselves where Liverpool would be with a forward line of Ba/Eto'o/Torres.

They should ask themselves where PSG would be if they didn't have Zlatan/Lavezzi/Cavani and had our Eto'o/Ba/Torres instead.

Should ask themselves would United win the League last season if they had Ba and Torres instead of on form RvP.

[The Skipper 20,609]

People who keep saying how a striker would not make a difference - should ask themselves where Liverpool would be with a forward line of Ba/Eto'o/Torres.

They should ask themselves where PSG would be if they didn't have Zlatan/Lavezzi/Cavani and had our Eto'o/Ba/Torres instead.

Should ask themselves would United win the League last season if they had Ba and Torres instead of on form RvP.

No one is saying that though. What people are trying to convey is that a good strike force would just paper over the long term cracks - a good strike force would've definitely put us in a better position for trophies this year but the problems in the squad run deeper than that.

[Las7 951]

A great striker changes the system around them, he demands the ball and reliefs pressure from midfielders and defenders; he exerts confidence and boosts spirit.

Our issues within the squad are no way as bad as United's issues last year.