🇪🇸 Fernando Torres

[didierforever 7,349]

I don't buy this stupid argument about him not scoring 'important' goals against big teams. People seem to think that just because Drogba's last three goals for the club were against Tottenham, Barcelona and Bayern Munich, that all of his goals were match-winners or scored against big clubs. The amount of times he scored the third or fourth goal in matches - against piss-poor opposition as well... and yet people are using this against Torres.

Considering how shit he has been, we should be happy he's even scoring at the minute.

I said we should get rid of Torres if he hadn't netted 10 by the start of January. He already has surpassed that and has the opportunity of extending it before the season concludes. 14 goals at this stage of the season is a very, very good return.

thats got to be the worst and vaguest argument. torres is playing poorly. he is playing so poor that he does not deserve to be wearing the blue jersey. just because he has scored 14 goals playing almost every minute of this season does not and should not make us happy. that is insane. all u have to do is watch the match against norwich. i mean how many touches did he have and how many times was he dispossessed. so just because he can stand in the middle of the pitch and produce a moment of magic every 1-2 months (his goal against newcastle, aston villa) or just tap in the ball (most of the times not even that), should and does not make me happy. a player who is earning 200k per week should play better.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I completely agree with you - he is playing like shit, but he's also scoring. That's what I expect from a striker, so I'm not going to complain whilst he's putting the ball in the net.

As for you saying that is "the worst" and "vaguest" argument - how? It's a fact. Not all of Drogba's goals were match-winners. They weren't always important. They weren't always against big clubs. And do you not remember the times when he walked around completely disinterested? Do not let the Munich Myth cloud your memories of Drogba. He was a phenomenal player and the best striker this club has had, but he had his days where has was as bad - if not worse - than we have ever seen Fernando Torres.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Do not let the Munich Myth cloud your memories of Drogba. He was a phenomenal player and the best striker this club has had, but he had his days where has was as bad - if not worse - than we have ever seen Fernando Torres.

There was a period of time where Drogba was booed by the home fans for his constant diving. I love the guy but you're absolutely right about a certain myth of him building up.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Absolutely. 2006, following the hand-ball furore against Fulham and Manchester City saw him booed incessantly by the home crowd until even the start of the 2006/07 season.

[didierforever 7,349]

I completely agree with you - he is playing like shit, but he's also scoring. That's what I expect from a striker, so I'm not going to complain whilst he's putting the ball in the net.

As for you saying that is "the worst" and "vaguest" argument - how? It's a fact. Not all of Drogba's goals were match-winners. They weren't always important. They weren't always against big clubs. And do you not remember the times when he walked around completely disinterested? Do not let the Munich Myth cloud your memories of Drogba. He was a phenomenal player and the best striker this club has had, but he had his days where has was as bad - if not worse - than we have ever seen Fernando Torres.

first of all lets not compare torres to drogba. DD is better in evry sense of the word.

DD like any player in any sport had his bad and good and awesome moments but that is what it was moments. if u take his performaces on and average scale, he will come as a great player.

any ways i said "the worst" and "the vaguest" argument because i cant fathom being "happy" over a player's performace just because he is scoring. i can easily say this statement that any striker who is actually worth even half of torres' wages and transfer fee would outscore by some margin if he had the service that nando does. remember danny's 20 mins against wba and his 4 missed chances but that is what some basic movement can do. plus i said "the worst" and "vaguest" argument because i read the word happy sp ignore those adjectives.

all i am saying is we cant be even "satisfied" by torres' preformace and contribution, let alone happy.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Please don't dissapear in another big game

[Blue Armour 4,439]

I completely agree with you - he is playing like shit, but he's also scoring. That's what I expect from a striker, so I'm not going to complain whilst he's putting the ball in the net.

As for you saying that is "the worst" and "vaguest" argument - how? It's a fact. Not all of Drogba's goals were match-winners. They weren't always important. They weren't always against big clubs. And do you not remember the times when he walked around completely disinterested? Do not let the Munich Myth cloud your memories of Drogba. He was a phenomenal player and the best striker this club has had, but he had his days where has was as bad - if not worse - than we have ever seen Fernando Torres.

I agree...Drogba's my favorite Chelsea player, but even he would agree that during the period between Mourinho and Ancellotti's tenure his form and more importantly, attitude were way below the mark.

And yes, Torres' inconsistent form in front of goal has probably cost us a few crucial games this season, but the goal stats are there to back him up. A lot of people make him out to be the biggest problem in team atm, but they couldn't be farther from the truth.

[Styles 9,790]

Even in Drogba's worst moments he was always capable of providing something for the team; hold the ball up and bring others into play, set-piece either attacking of defensively, winning freekicks, goal out of absolutely nothing...just something. Defenders always kept tight to him and he kept them honest, they had to look out for him.

I'm not saying he didn't have poor games because he had his fair share. But when Torres has a poor game, which he almost always does, then he is absolutely useless and it's like playing with 10 men. I never felt we were playing with 10 men whenever Drogba had a poor game.

[Kojo 4,676]

Hasselbaink brought this up against Leeds, and i completely agreed with him. Torres is still yet to score a decisive goal which has won the game. His usual goals are goals when we have won 4-0 or something and he has scored 2.

He scored the first goal against Arsenal yes, and had he not of scored it we wouldn't of won. But he still hasn't scored a goal where we win 1-0 and it's because of him. He still hasn't gotten the goal where we have won 3-2 and he got the last goal of the game or something like that.

You could count the Reading one, but to be fair we won it 4-2 and it doesn't quite mean the same now does it.

[Danelka 209]

It's so unbelievably frustrating to watch him play..

His link-up play was superb, probably the best in the season so far, yet again he screwed up 2 golden chances which probably most of us would convert...

He is due a rest, so hopefully we will wrap the Ba deal up very early in January...

[Kinol 337]

He just doesnt cut it in a club like Chelsea who want to compete for all trophies, he just doesnt. If you dont see it then you must be blind. He just doesnt have IT anymore.

I mean people talk about the lack of help from the midfield but how easy is it to give balls to Torres. I mean if you give the ball to his feet he will only get outmusceled by the defender and if you give a ball which he should run for he only gets outruned. He got no strengh nor any pace anymore. Yes, will will score some goals here and some goals there but it wont take away the fact that he's done and its time for this club to move on!!!

[Blue Armour 4,439]

Hasselbaink brought this up against Leeds, and i completely agreed with him. Torres is still yet to score a decisive goal which has won the game. His usual goals are goals when we have won 4-0 or something and he has scored 2.

He scored the first goal against Arsenal yes, and had he not of scored it we wouldn't of won. But he still hasn't scored a goal where we win 1-0 and it's because of him. He still hasn't gotten the goal where we have won 3-2 and he got the last goal of the game or something like that.

You could count the Reading one, but to be fair we won it 4-2 and it doesn't quite mean the same now does it.

Yeah, that aspect is rather annoying.

Today was a prime example. Played through by Oscar in the 90th min, when he could have sealed the game..but took 2 extra touches, allowing himself to be tackled by Dystan.

[Santiago. 1,500]

He is not the man to step up and get a goal when we need it. Simple.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Please don't dissapear in another big game

And he does again

[The only place to be 11,313]

In fairness he contributed to both goals and worked hard for 90 minutes. He didn't score but he didn't take away from the team today.

[Jase 43,479]

Today was a prime example. Played through by Oscar in the 90th min, when he could have sealed the game..but took 2 extra touches, allowing himself to be tackled by Dystan.

No. The problem then was when Oscar ran with the ball, instead of running wider and create that space between himself and Distin, he kept on running so closely to him. When Oscar played the ball into his path, Distin was too close to him and allowed the chance to clear it! Had Torres create that gap between him and Distin, the latter won't have a chance to clear it and Torres would have scored as the through ball from Oscar would be played in perfectly to his path.

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

No. The problem then was when Oscar ran with the ball, instead of running wider and create that space between himself and Distin, he kept on running so closely to him. When Oscar played the ball into his path, Distin was too close to him and allowed the chance to clear it! Had Torres create that gap between him and Distin, the latter won't have a chance to clear it and Torres would have scored as the through ball from Oscar would be played in perfectly to his path.

the commentator was like Torres so close to oscar,like he wants to hold hands. Made me laugh so hard.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I looked at our team sheet today and saw that only mata and lampard are proper "important matches" goal scorers in our team.

I just hope demba ba adds to that cos torres just disapears too much in important times, its appauling.

[Nando 106]

If the result was different I would blame him for the two wasted opportunities (the misscontrol in the box and the counter 90+ min). However, now I prefer to look at the positives. His general link-up play was good and he participated in the build-up play for both goals. Additionally, he won a fair amount of headers, although Distin who by the way had a great game was bossing him for the majority of the game. If that is not enough we can console ourselves with Rafa's cliche 'He does a great job defending corners'. Haha fair enough.

I hope all the Ba talk is true and he pushes Torres to his limits.

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

What I really like about Torres, is when the ball gets played to him and your supping your beer, you know you can take your time and you wont spill any