Oscar

[Jase 43,479]

Not (exactly) finding excuses for Oscar's consistency but that situation is slightly different to what Oscar has experienced since 2011 - summer tournament-league-summer tournament-league-summer tournament-league-summer tournament etc.

[The Skipper 20,609]

To be fair he did kinda lose a bit of form late last season

Nowhere near as drastic as Oscar did though.

[bethos1 802]

Lol I don't understand really why everyone talks about the goal scoring abilities of Arda & Sterling, that it goes against them. They're not strikers lol, we have Costa et al to score our goals. Players like Arda, Raheem and any other wide/attacking midfield based players are there to help the team score these goals. As with Willian, brings a tremendous work ethic and has a brilliant change of pace. All of those helped us win the title, not all XI have to score 20+ goals a season for them to be considered one of the greats. Hell even Chelsea ability.

It would be nice to have one more player that's actually capable of scoring a goal. I'm not saying that player should score 20+ goals but around 10 and I'd be happy.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

It would be nice to have one more player that's actually capable of scoring a goal. I'm not saying that player should score 20+ goals but around 10 and I'd be happy.

Yeah I get that, but it shouldn't be a deterrent of a signing either.

You want a bit of both, but not everyone has to be a goal scorer. It's not like these guys don't contribute to the goals others score too though.

[bethos1 802]

Yeah I get that, but it shouldn't be a deterrent of a signing either.

You want a bit of both, but not everyone has to be a goal scorer. It's not like these guys don't contribute to the goals others score too though.

If I had to choose I'd pick someone who could score though, imo we already have plenty of players who can assist. I'm not saying we shouldn't sign Turan because of that though, atm I'd be happy with anyone who's better than our current RW.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

If I had to choose I'd pick someone who could score though, imo we already have plenty of players who can assist. I'm not saying we shouldn't sign Turan because of that though, atm I'd be happy with anyone who's better than our current RW.

Arda is a bit of a different case I suppose, but Sterling has plenty of time to discover his goal scoring touch. As a winger he hasn't quite managed to excel in this area, but neither has Hazard yet. They've both still got time to learn to get into these opportunities and start doing them on a consistent basis.

[bethos1 802]

Arda is a bit of a different case I suppose, but Sterling has plenty of time to discover his goal scoring touch. As a winger he hasn't quite managed to excel in this area, but neither has Hazard yet. They've both still got time to learn to get into these opportunities and start doing them on a consistent basis.

I don't really see us getting Sterling, I wouldn't mind having him here at all. My preferred choice is still Reus though but that's probably never going to happen.

Also I haven't seen enough of Arda to give a fair opinion of him but if he really only scores like once a season that's not really that convincing for me to get him.

[DYC. 7,542]

Lol I don't understand really why everyone talks about the goal scoring abilities of Arda & Sterling, that it goes against them. They're not strikers lol, we have Costa et al to score our goals. Players like Arda, Raheem and any other wide/attacking midfield based players are there to help the team score these goals. As with Willian, brings a tremendous work ethic and has a brilliant change of pace. All of those helped us win the title, not all XI have to score 20+ goals a season for them to be considered one of the greats. Hell even Chelsea ability.

Old fashioned logic. That's the same as saying offensive players don't need to defend or fullbacks only have to defend their direct opponent. Barca would never have bought Neymar and Suarez if that was the case. Those players replaced Pedro and Sanchez to great effect.

The main or biggest difference between Chelsea and the big three is the fact that they have 3 players in their team who can score goals (and/or assist) for you at any time. Bayern with Lewa, Robben and Muller (Ribery and Gotze even chip in with their fair share). Real with Cristiano, Benzema and Bale (James with a strong output as well). Try your hardest to take out one threat, and others step up and benefit from the extra space granted to them. You'll never be capable of taking out all three, except once in a blue moon (extreme bus parking doesn't count).

Not all players have to score 20+ but you do need goals and assists from your attacking players. Remember 09/10?

Drogba - 37 goals and 11 assists

Lampard - 27 goals and 16 assists

Malouda - 15 goals and 13 assists

Anelka - 15 goals and 7 assists

Kalou - 12 goals and 3 assists (Kalou!!)

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Old fashioned logic. That's the same as saying offensive players don't need to defend or fullbacks only have to defend their direct opponent. Barca would never have bought Neymar and Suarez if that was the case. Those players replaced Pedro and Sanchez to great effect.

The main or biggest difference between Chelsea and the big three is the fact that they have 3 players in their team that can score goals (and/or assist) for you at any time. Bayern with Lewa, Robben and Muller (Ribery and Gotze even chip in with their fair share). Real with Cristiano, Benzema and Bale (James with a strong output as well). Try your hardest to take out one threat, and others step up and benefit from the extra space granted to them. You'll never be capable of taking out all three, except once in a blue moon (extreme bus parking doesn't count).

Not all players have to score 20+ but you do need goals and assists from your attacking players. Remember 09/10?

Drogba - 37 goals and 11 assists

Lampard - 27 goals and 16 assists

Malouda - 15 goals and 13 assists

Anelka - 15 goals and 7 assists

Kalou - 12 goals and 3 assists (Kalou!!)

Amen.

Last year when City did the double, they had 4 players score 20+ goals. Aguero, Yaya Toure, Negredo and Eden Dzeko.

We need more finisher in our squad, i don't see how people can't see that. Because after Costa and Remy, nobody else in our squad is lethal enough in front of goal.

Hazard and Oscar are our only Midfield threats to score (which is why i'm not as harsh on Oscar as other are, becuase at least he directy affects matches by scoring goals, crucial ones at that too, as most are the opening goals in a match.

[DYC. 7,542]

Amen.

Last year when City did the double, they had 4 players score 20+ goals. Aguero, Yaya Toure, Negredo and Eden Dzeko.

We need more finisher in our squad, i don't see how people can't see that. Because after Costa and Remy, nobody else in our squad is lethal enough in front of goal.

Hazard and Oscar are our only Midfield threats to score (which is why i'm not as harsh on Oscar as other are, becuase at least he directy affects matches by scoring goals, crucial ones at that too, as most are the opening goals in a match.

Indeed. Oscar really needs to do better. More of this from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTJhY_RP-hM

(Great play from Willian, more of that from him as well)

[Clockwork 1,794]

Whenever i see an Oscar vs Willian argument, i think to myself why does it even matter neither have shown to be good enough. Neither player have justified a guaranteed role in the starting XI. Hopefully next season they both canalize each other minutes, so we don't see both in the starting XI. Best case scenero when one is off form the other plays well.

It would be interesting to see if Willian is so much better in the middle like some have claimed, and also if Oscar will finally have a breakout season with full summer rest.

[LAM09 7,043]

Whenever i see an Oscar vs Willian argument, i think to myself why does it even matter neither have shown to be good enough. Neither player have justified a guaranteed role in the starting XI. Hopefully next season they both canalize each other minutes, so we don't see both in the starting XI. Best case scenero when one is off form the other plays well.

It would be interesting to see if Willian is so much better in the middle like some have claimed, and also if Oscar will finally have a breakout season with full summer rest.

I doubt neither of them will deliver for us on a regular basis.

[cfcs most wanted 657]

HE PLAYED EACH OF ATM'S CL GAME. HE STARTED EACH OF ATM'S CL GAME.

group A 9/16/14 A Atlético Madrid Olympiacos Piraeus Olympiacos 3:2 RW 90'

group A 10/1/14 H Atlético Madrid Juventus FC Juventus 1:0 LW 1 89'

group A 10/22/14 H Atlético Madrid Malmö FF Malmö FF 5:0 RW 1 68'

group A 11/4/14 A Atlético Madrid Malmö FF Malmö FF 0:2 RW 76'

group A 11/26/14 H Atlético Madrid Olympiacos Piraeus Olympiacos 4:0 AM 1 66'

group A 12/9/14 A Atlético Madrid Juventus FC Juventus 0:0 RW 90'

last 16 1st leg 2/25/15 A Atlético Madrid Bayer 04 Leverkusen Bay. Leverkusen 1:0 RW 64'

last 16 2nd leg 3/17/15 H Atlético Madrid Bayer 04 Leverkusen Bay. Leverkusen 4:2 ON PENS RW 120'

quarter-finals 1st leg 4/14/15 H Atlético Madrid Real Madrid Real Madrid 0:0 LW 90'

quarter-finals 2nd leg 4/22/15 A Atlético Madrid Real Madrid Real Madrid 1:0 RW 32' 76' 76'

HE PLAYED IN 32 GAMES OUT OF A POSSIBLE 34 LEAGUE GAMES (was injured for 3 and suspended for 1)

Match day Date Home/Away For vs. Result Pos.

1 8/25/14 A Atlético Madrid Rayo Vallecano Rayo Vallecano 0:0 Groin Injury

2 8/30/14 H Atlético Madrid (12.) SD Eibar SD Eibar (7.) 2:1 Groin Injury

3 9/13/14 A Atlético Madrid (6.) Real Madrid Real Madrid (10.) 1:2 1 30'

4 9/20/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Celta de Vigo Celta de Vigo (5.) 2:2 RW 90'

5 9/24/14 A Atlético Madrid (4.) UD Almería UD Almería (10.) 0:1 RW 8' 84'

6 9/27/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Sevilla FC Sevilla FC (3.) 4:0 RW 90'

7 10/4/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Valencia CF Valencia CF (2.) 3:1 LW 69'

8 10/19/14 H Atlético Madrid (5.) RCD Espanyol Barcelona Espanyol (8.) 2:0 RW 59'

9 10/26/14 A Atlético Madrid (5.) Getafe CF Getafe CF (10.) 0:1 AM 1 90'

10 11/1/14 H Atlético Madrid (5.) Córdoba CF Córdoba CF (18.) 4:2 LW 61'

11 11/9/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Sociedad Real Sociedad (19.) 2:1 LW 16' 85'

12 11/22/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Málaga CF Málaga CF (6.) 3:1 RW 1 87'

13 11/30/14 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Deportivo de La Coruña Dep. La Coruña (18.) 2:0 LW 1 90'

14 12/6/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Elche CF Elche CF (19.) 0:2 LW 1 80'

15 12/14/14 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Villarreal CF Villarreal CF (6.) 0:1 LW 28' 76'

16 12/21/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Athletic Bilbao Athletic Bilbao (10.) 1:4 LW 75' 84'

17 1/3/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Levante UD Levante UD (15.) 3:1 RW 66'

18 1/11/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) FC Barcelona FC Barcelona (2.) 3:1 RW 90'

19 1/18/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Granada CF Granada CF (20.) 2:0 RW 1 90'

20 1/24/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Rayo Vallecano Rayo Vallecano (10.) 3:1 RW 80'

21 1/31/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) SD Eibar SD Eibar (8.) 1:3

22 2/7/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Madrid Real Madrid (1.) 4:0 RW 50' 90'

23 2/15/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Celta de Vigo Celta de Vigo (10.) 2:0 yellow card suspension

24 2/21/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) UD Almería UD Almería (16.) 3:0 RW 90'

25 3/1/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Sevilla FC Sevilla FC (5.) 0:0 RW 37' 59'

26 3/8/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Valencia CF Valencia CF (4.) 1:1 RW 90'

27 3/14/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) RCD Espanyol Barcelona Espanyol (10.) 0:0 24'

28 3/21/15 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Getafe CF Getafe CF (13.) 2:0 RW 90'

29 4/4/15 A Atlético Madrid (4.) Córdoba CF Córdoba CF (20.) 0:2 20'

30 4/7/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Sociedad Real Sociedad (10.) 2:0 RW 83' 86'

31 4/11/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Málaga CF Málaga CF (7.) 2:2 RW 80'

32 4/18/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Deportivo de La Coruña Dep. La Coruña (16.) 1:2 LW 58'

33 4/25/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Elche CF Elche CF (14.) 3:0 on the bench

34 4/29/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Villarreal CF Villarreal CF (6.) 0:1 RW 62'

35 5/2/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Athletic Bilbao Athletic Bilbao (8.) 0:0 34'

36 5/10/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Levante UD Levante UD (15.) 2:2 RW 90'

37 5/17/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) FC Barcelona FC Barcelona (1.) 0:1 RW 72'

38 5/23/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Granada CF Granada CF (17.) 0:0 not in the squad

except for the last game of the season and another against elche, he played every game of the season.

dude, please, please stop embarassing yourself. go to an ATM forum or any spanish team forum and just say "arda is a bench player for ATM" and see what they do to you. cant even believe it.

me reading this comment be like when will this end

[Stats 7,136]

Arda is a bit of a different case I suppose, but Sterling has plenty of time to discover his goal scoring touch. As a winger he hasn't quite managed to excel in this area, but neither has Hazard yet. They've both still got time to learn to get into these opportunities and start doing them on a consistent basis.

Sterling scores goals, that is the thing. He can work on his finishing but Sterling is a much more capable scorer than Arda. Arda only got 3 goals last season in all competitions (2 in the league) and the season they won the league he scored 9 (3 in the league). Sterling in a poor team got 11 goals last season (7 in the league). The season before he got 10 goals (9 league goals) despite only getting into the team late December. There is a difference. If you got 9 league goals from a player you would be quite happy with that. Especially at the age of 19. Like I said, Sterling can improve on his finishing like Hazard but Hazard and Sterling are much more goal scoring threats than Arda Turan is.

I think Sterling will end up at City and he will be playing in a much better team. I think he will score a lot of goals down there. Considering how well he done when he had Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho around him, with the likes of Silva, Aguero, Toure and possibly more quality additions, I think his game will go up another level.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Old fashioned logic. That's the same as saying offensive players don't need to defend or fullbacks only have to defend their direct opponent. Barca would never have bought Neymar and Suarez if that was the case. Those players replaced Pedro and Sanchez to great effect.

The main or biggest difference between Chelsea and the big three is the fact that they have 3 players in their team who can score goals (and/or assist) for you at any time. Bayern with Lewa, Robben and Muller (Ribery and Gotze even chip in with their fair share). Real with Cristiano, Benzema and Bale (James with a strong output as well). Try your hardest to take out one threat, and others step up and benefit from the extra space granted to them. You'll never be capable of taking out all three, except once in a blue moon (extreme bus parking doesn't count).

Not all players have to score 20+ but you do need goals and assists from your attacking players. Remember 09/10?

Drogba - 37 goals and 11 assists

Lampard - 27 goals and 16 assists

Malouda - 15 goals and 13 assists

Anelka - 15 goals and 7 assists

Kalou - 12 goals and 3 assists (Kalou!!)

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong I do agree that a team challenging for titles and trophies should have goals from all over the pitch. I was merely trying to state that in regards to the whole Arda/Sterling debate that sometimes it is okay that maybe sometimes a player doesn't contribute that many goals if the overall play compensates for others picking up the goals.

Hazard, hopefully, will be more decisive and clinical in front of goal. He's discussed that as a personal goal and so hopefully we'll actually see a good return from him, Costa, Falcao etc.