Oscar

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

I've seen way way worse than this and multiple times at that.

Brazil has a few problems building a top team right now because they lack top players in certain key positions, like the freaking striker. Although the defenders are good they are both ball playing which is also not good. Cm is the real problem as Fernandinho and Gustavo are average.

Back to Oscar though you are wrong and time will prove you wrong. Doesn't matter how many times you and others come here and rant, because he will start and play and then start againg next season. He will become a better #8 as he matures. Right now he's lampard lite but hopefully in future he can become his own player.

Lampard at 23 was a better player than whatever Oscar has shown now. Besides, they are nothing alike; different players, different qualities, different positions, so the point its moot. Apart from a few wonder goals here and there, Oscar has shown nothing special.

The whole Brazilian NT team is average by their standards and so is the talent, like I've not seen before. Definitely not in the 90's and Brazil had great teams and great players in the 80's, arguably even more so than the 90's, and the list of greats in the 70's, is endless. So I don't know what time period you're talking about there when you say you've seen "way worse".

Saying their defenders are good is ridiculous especially after they got annihilated 7-1 at the World Cup. Miranda, Danilo and Luis are all good defenders for their clubs, but it remains to be seen how they play in the NT. BESIDES, that wasn't my main point. I was pointing out the lack of decent talent Brazil have been struggling to produce for a while now, something you didn't bother responding to in any meaningful fashion. I cited examples from their youth teams, you did not. I don't even know why I respond to stuff like this, but whatever.

[didierforever 7,349]

David luiz sends his regards.

Who? The average mistake prone multi hyped up "defender"

[robsblubot 3,595]

Lampard at 23 was a better player than whatever Oscar has shown now. Besides, they are nothing alike; different players, different qualities, different positions, so the point its moot. Apart from a few wonder goals here and there, Oscar has shown nothing special.

The whole Brazilian NT team is average by their standards and so is the talent, like I've not seen before. Definitely not in the 90's and Brazil had great teams and great players in the 80's, arguably even more so than the 90's, and the list of greats in the 70's, is endless. So I don't know what time period you're talking about there when you say you've seen "way worse".

Saying their defenders are good is ridiculous especially after they got annihilated 7-1 at the World Cup. Miranda, Danilo and Luis are all good defenders for their clubs, but it remains to be seen how they play in the NT. BESIDES, that wasn't my main point. I was pointing out the lack of decent talent Brazil have been struggling to produce for a while now, something you didn't bother responding to in any meaningful fashion. I cited examples from their youth teams, you did not. I don't even know why I respond to stuff like this, but whatever.

You take away Lamps goals and he would have nothing left to his game - even mourinho mentioned it not long ago.

I am Brazilian and 43 so I think I know a bit more about the Brazilian side history than you do. This team is/was average but at least the players are young. I've seen average and old.

If you, like Didier, think Brazil made that fiasco because of the defenders then I have nothing else to discuss with you. It'd would be the same as blaming Terry and Cahill for every goal we concede... now that'd be a ridiculous thing, right?

[Jase 43,479]

You take away Lamps goals and he would have nothing left to his game - even mourinho mentioned it not long ago.

I am Brazilian and 43 so I think I know a bit more about the Brazilian side history than you do. This team is/was average but at least the players are young. I've seen average and old.

If you, like Didier, think Brazil made that fiasco because of the defenders then I have nothing else to discuss with you. It'd would be the same as blaming Terry and Cahill for every goal we concede... now that'd be a ridiculous thing, right?

Lampard's passing range and box-to-box ability are criminally underrated.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Lampard's passing range and box-to-box ability are criminally underrated.

Still take away the goals and lamps is just not that a special player any more.

[iseah100 5,612]

Still take away the goals and lamps is just not that a special player any more.

Take goals away from Ronaldo and he's not that good anymore.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Take goals away from Ronaldo and he's not that good anymore.

All his ridicoulus athletic atributes : pace, agility, stenght, jumping would make him very good player. Add to that close controll and dribbling and he'd still be elite player. Lampard never got technique of Ronaldo nor his atheticism.

Besides Ronaldo is a striker not a midfielder. You'd make list of tens forwards who without goals would be way way worse. Can't say that about too many midfielders.

[Cripen 110]

Still take away the goals and lamps is just not that a special player any more.

Stupid argument IMO. Yeah, maybe if you take away he's goals then he is not a special but just a good/decent player but he actually did scored that goals. He's timing, he's scoring ability etc. was terrific. That 211 goals was not a accident and he is very special player.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Stupid argument IMO. Yeah, maybe if you take away he's goals then he is not a special but just a good/decent player but he actually did scored that goals. He's timing, he's scoring ability etc. was terrific. That 211 goals was not a accident and he is very special player.

I think you've missed the entire point... that's exactly what my point was....

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Doubt there will be a lot of hands raised.

[LondonsFinest 692]

Seen some news , Juventus making him their main target. Cash + him for Pogba. Only him and a proper number 10? I don't care much.

[lionsden 4,689]

All his ridicoulus athletic atributes : pace, agility, stenght, jumping would make him very good player. Add to that close controll and dribbling and he'd still be elite player. Lampard never got technique of Ronaldo nor his atheticism.

Besides Ronaldo is a striker not a midfielder. You'd make list of tens forwards who without goals would be way way worse. Can't say that about too many midfielders.

Ronaldo and close control,dribbling used in the same sentence. You must be talking about the original ronaldo because cristiano is just a more athletic and prolific version of bale. Technically very average.

[Victor Von Doom 258]

Lampard's passing range and box-to-box ability are criminally underrated.

The 2 passes v Barca in '12 >

The defence splitting ball for Drogba vs Man City as well w/ the outside of the boot >

So so good

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Lampard's passing range and box-to-box ability are criminally underrated.

It's like people forget he was on the podium among the top 3 world best players

[Yeboii 1,844]

People are underrating Lampard so much on here right now that its getting embarrassing! Lampard is one of the best Chelsea players ever and one of the best midfielders ever (in the league, maybe even the world).