Oscar

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Oh my god!!! oh my fucking god!!! did i read this right?

did i fucking read this right?

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do people even watch football before posting there stupid opinions. arda turan - one of the best players of ATM is now a bench player. and its not just this guy. by people's opinion about turan, its pretty clear that they have no clue whatsoever about what they are posting.

you're easily outraged, aren't you mate?

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Oh my god!!! oh my fucking god!!! did i read this right?

did i fucking read this right?

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do people even watch football before posting there stupid opinions. arda turan - one of the best players of ATM is now a bench player. and its not just this guy. by people's opinion about turan, its pretty clear that they have no clue whatsoever about what they are posting.

I dont know what you have smoked but I want it too, look at his stats from last season (ARDA Turan Played 32 games, 2 goals, 4 Assists last season in the league), Out of Atletico's 55 games last season he only started 30 games look it up ESPN stats and stop making up stats. http://www.espnfc.us/player/86565/arda-turan

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

you're easily outraged, aren't you mate?

To make matters even worse his lying about his stats too, look at Arda's minutes and stats from last season http://www.espnfc.us/player/86565/arda-turan, nowhere near Oscar's stats

[LDN Blue 7,903]

To make matters even worse his lying about his stats too, look at Arda's minutes and stats from last season http://www.espnfc.us/player/86565/arda-turan, nowhere near Oscar's stats

Well he only started on the bench 5x from what I'm seeing.

[didierforever 7,349]

I dont know what you have smoked but I want it too, look at his stats from last season (ARDA Turan Played 32 games, 2 goals, 4 Assists last season in the league), Out of Atletico's 55 games last season he only started 30 games look it up ESPN stats and stop making up stats. http://www.espnfc.us/player/86565/arda-turan

ahahahhahahahahahhaha... he played 32 games out of the total 38 games that ATM played... hahahahah.. learn to read man!!!1 get a brain for heaven's sake!!! http://www.transfermarkt.com/arda-turan/leistungsdaten/spieler/21369/plus/?saison=2014

do you see

2014 / 2015 Spanish Primera División

written so big and proper over the 32 game stat??? hahahaha..

he played 45/46 out of the 55 games that ATM played and you think he was their bench player!!!! hahahaha.. just cant stop laughing...

[didierforever 7,349]

To make matters even worse his lying about his stats too, look at Arda's minutes and stats from last season http://www.espnfc.us/player/86565/arda-turan, nowhere near Oscar's stats

hahahahahahhahahaha... clueless.. absolutely clueleess.. just shows how much football you actually watch...

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

ahahahhahahahahahhaha... he played 32 games out of the total 38 games that ATM played... hahahahah.. learn to read man!!!1 get a brain for heaven's sake!!! http://www.transfermarkt.com/arda-turan/leistungsdaten/spieler/21369/plus/?saison=2014

he played 45/46 out of the 55 games that ATM played and you think he was their bench player!!!! hahahaha.. just cant stop laughing...

You are the one who should learn to read, he might have played in games but clearly his not an untouchable at Atletico and is regualry benched just like Oscar at Chelsea. Tuiran might have played all those games but look at how many games he was not picked up as a starter, way more than Oscar excluding injuries

[JaKstone 307]

hahahahahahhahahaha... clueless.. absolutely clueleess.. just shows how much football you actually watch...

Calm down..

[didierforever 7,349]

You are the one who should learn to read, he might have played in games but clearly his not an untouchable at Atletico and is regualry benched just like Oscar at Chelsea. Tuiran might have played all those games but look at how many games he was not picked up as a starter, way more than Oscar excluding injuries

HE PLAYED EACH OF ATM'S CL GAME. HE STARTED EACH OF ATM'S CL GAME.

group A 9/16/14 A Atlético Madrid Olympiacos Piraeus Olympiacos 3:2 RW 90'

group A 10/1/14 H Atlético Madrid Juventus FC Juventus 1:0 LW 1 89'

group A 10/22/14 H Atlético Madrid Malmö FF Malmö FF 5:0 RW 1 68'

group A 11/4/14 A Atlético Madrid Malmö FF Malmö FF 0:2 RW 76'

group A 11/26/14 H Atlético Madrid Olympiacos Piraeus Olympiacos 4:0 AM 1 66'

group A 12/9/14 A Atlético Madrid Juventus FC Juventus 0:0 RW 90'

last 16 1st leg 2/25/15 A Atlético Madrid Bayer 04 Leverkusen Bay. Leverkusen 1:0 RW 64'

last 16 2nd leg 3/17/15 H Atlético Madrid Bayer 04 Leverkusen Bay. Leverkusen 4:2 ON PENS RW 120'

quarter-finals 1st leg 4/14/15 H Atlético Madrid Real Madrid Real Madrid 0:0 LW 90'

quarter-finals 2nd leg 4/22/15 A Atlético Madrid Real Madrid Real Madrid 1:0 RW 32' 76' 76'

HE PLAYED IN 32 GAMES OUT OF A POSSIBLE 34 LEAGUE GAMES (was injured for 3 and suspended for 1)

Match day Date Home/Away For vs. Result Pos.

1 8/25/14 A Atlético Madrid Rayo Vallecano Rayo Vallecano 0:0 Groin Injury

2 8/30/14 H Atlético Madrid (12.) SD Eibar SD Eibar (7.) 2:1 Groin Injury

3 9/13/14 A Atlético Madrid (6.) Real Madrid Real Madrid (10.) 1:2 1 30'

4 9/20/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Celta de Vigo Celta de Vigo (5.) 2:2 RW 90'

5 9/24/14 A Atlético Madrid (4.) UD Almería UD Almería (10.) 0:1 RW 8' 84'

6 9/27/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Sevilla FC Sevilla FC (3.) 4:0 RW 90'

7 10/4/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Valencia CF Valencia CF (2.) 3:1 LW 69'

8 10/19/14 H Atlético Madrid (5.) RCD Espanyol Barcelona Espanyol (8.) 2:0 RW 59'

9 10/26/14 A Atlético Madrid (5.) Getafe CF Getafe CF (10.) 0:1 AM 1 90'

10 11/1/14 H Atlético Madrid (5.) Córdoba CF Córdoba CF (18.) 4:2 LW 61'

11 11/9/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Sociedad Real Sociedad (19.) 2:1 LW 16' 85'

12 11/22/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Málaga CF Málaga CF (6.) 3:1 RW 1 87'

13 11/30/14 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Deportivo de La Coruña Dep. La Coruña (18.) 2:0 LW 1 90'

14 12/6/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Elche CF Elche CF (19.) 0:2 LW 1 80'

15 12/14/14 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Villarreal CF Villarreal CF (6.) 0:1 LW 28' 76'

16 12/21/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Athletic Bilbao Athletic Bilbao (10.) 1:4 LW 75' 84'

17 1/3/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Levante UD Levante UD (15.) 3:1 RW 66'

18 1/11/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) FC Barcelona FC Barcelona (2.) 3:1 RW 90'

19 1/18/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Granada CF Granada CF (20.) 2:0 RW 1 90'

20 1/24/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Rayo Vallecano Rayo Vallecano (10.) 3:1 RW 80'

21 1/31/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) SD Eibar SD Eibar (8.) 1:3

22 2/7/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Madrid Real Madrid (1.) 4:0 RW 50' 90'

23 2/15/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Celta de Vigo Celta de Vigo (10.) 2:0 yellow card suspension

24 2/21/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) UD Almería UD Almería (16.) 3:0 RW 90'

25 3/1/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Sevilla FC Sevilla FC (5.) 0:0 RW 37' 59'

26 3/8/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Valencia CF Valencia CF (4.) 1:1 RW 90'

27 3/14/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) RCD Espanyol Barcelona Espanyol (10.) 0:0 24'

28 3/21/15 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Getafe CF Getafe CF (13.) 2:0 RW 90'

29 4/4/15 A Atlético Madrid (4.) Córdoba CF Córdoba CF (20.) 0:2 20'

30 4/7/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Sociedad Real Sociedad (10.) 2:0 RW 83' 86'

31 4/11/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Málaga CF Málaga CF (7.) 2:2 RW 80'

32 4/18/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Deportivo de La Coruña Dep. La Coruña (16.) 1:2 LW 58'

33 4/25/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Elche CF Elche CF (14.) 3:0 on the bench

34 4/29/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Villarreal CF Villarreal CF (6.) 0:1 RW 62'

35 5/2/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Athletic Bilbao Athletic Bilbao (8.) 0:0 34'

36 5/10/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Levante UD Levante UD (15.) 2:2 RW 90'

37 5/17/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) FC Barcelona FC Barcelona (1.) 0:1 RW 72'

38 5/23/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Granada CF Granada CF (17.) 0:0 not in the squad

except for the last game of the season and another against elche, he played every game of the season.

dude, please, please stop embarassing yourself. go to an ATM forum or any spanish team forum and just say "arda is a bench player for ATM" and see what they do to you. cant even believe it.

[didierforever 7,349]

you're easily outraged, aren't you mate?

easily? have you read what people are writing about turan.

its like turan is some championship player who we are buying or looking to buy. people were happier being linked to james milner.

and then turan being a bench player was just too much for me.

anyone who watches/follows ATM even a little bit would know that turan and koke and 2 of their main players. its like saying hazard is a bench player for chelsea.

clearly, the guy has no clue and probably has never watched turan play.

he has even read the stats wrong by thinking that those 32 games played are for all the season and not just out of the 38 la liga games.

i mean people should atleast have the vaguest posiible ideas before forming an opinion.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

hahahahahahhahahaha... clueless.. absolutely clueleess.. just shows how much football you actually watch...

You are the one whose clueless, even soccer journalists who have more knowledge than you agree to the fact that Turan's output is shit to be precise. Quote from a recent article on ESPN : Despite the fact that the Turk's attacking instincts and ability to carry the ball cannot be doubted, his end product is actually not all that impressive in real terms. His goalscoring return is paltry, notching just 13 in 127 La Liga appearances during four seasons with the club, while he has only directly assisted 18 league goals over that same period.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

You are the one who should learn to read, he might have played in games but clearly his not an untouchable at Atletico and is regualry benched just like Oscar at Chelsea. Tuiran might have played all those games but look at how many games he was not picked up as a starter, way more than Oscar excluding injuries

Actually, I think you're wrong mate. He's only started 5x from the bench and most of his substitutions happened between 80-90mins.. Also the frequency of these substitutions suggests rotation/rest because they're all over different periods of time.. In other words, he's not consistently substituted off.

Edited July 4, 2015 by LDN Blue

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

HE PLAYED EACH OF ATM'S CL GAME. HE STARTED EACH OF ATM'S CL GAME.

group A 9/16/14 A Atlético Madrid Olympiacos Piraeus Olympiacos 3:2 RW 90'

group A 10/1/14 H Atlético Madrid Juventus FC Juventus 1:0 LW 1 89'

group A 10/22/14 H Atlético Madrid Malmö FF Malmö FF 5:0 RW 1 68'

group A 11/4/14 A Atlético Madrid Malmö FF Malmö FF 0:2 RW 76'

group A 11/26/14 H Atlético Madrid Olympiacos Piraeus Olympiacos 4:0 AM 1 66'

group A 12/9/14 A Atlético Madrid Juventus FC Juventus 0:0 RW 90'

last 16 1st leg 2/25/15 A Atlético Madrid Bayer 04 Leverkusen Bay. Leverkusen 1:0 RW 64'

last 16 2nd leg 3/17/15 H Atlético Madrid Bayer 04 Leverkusen Bay. Leverkusen 4:2 ON PENS RW 120'

quarter-finals 1st leg 4/14/15 H Atlético Madrid Real Madrid Real Madrid 0:0 LW 90'

quarter-finals 2nd leg 4/22/15 A Atlético Madrid Real Madrid Real Madrid 1:0 RW 32' 76' 76'

HE PLAYED IN 32 GAMES OUT OF A POSSIBLE 34 LEAGUE GAMES (was injured for 3 and suspended for 1)

Match day Date Home/Away For vs. Result Pos.

1 8/25/14 A Atlético Madrid Rayo Vallecano Rayo Vallecano 0:0 Groin Injury

2 8/30/14 H Atlético Madrid (12.) SD Eibar SD Eibar (7.) 2:1 Groin Injury

3 9/13/14 A Atlético Madrid (6.) Real Madrid Real Madrid (10.) 1:2 1 30'

4 9/20/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Celta de Vigo Celta de Vigo (5.) 2:2 RW 90'

5 9/24/14 A Atlético Madrid (4.) UD Almería UD Almería (10.) 0:1 RW 8' 84'

6 9/27/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Sevilla FC Sevilla FC (3.) 4:0 RW 90'

7 10/4/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Valencia CF Valencia CF (2.) 3:1 LW 69'

8 10/19/14 H Atlético Madrid (5.) RCD Espanyol Barcelona Espanyol (8.) 2:0 RW 59'

9 10/26/14 A Atlético Madrid (5.) Getafe CF Getafe CF (10.) 0:1 AM 1 90'

10 11/1/14 H Atlético Madrid (5.) Córdoba CF Córdoba CF (18.) 4:2 LW 61'

11 11/9/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Sociedad Real Sociedad (19.) 2:1 LW 16' 85'

12 11/22/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Málaga CF Málaga CF (6.) 3:1 RW 1 87'

13 11/30/14 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Deportivo de La Coruña Dep. La Coruña (18.) 2:0 LW 1 90'

14 12/6/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Elche CF Elche CF (19.) 0:2 LW 1 80'

15 12/14/14 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Villarreal CF Villarreal CF (6.) 0:1 LW 28' 76'

16 12/21/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Athletic Bilbao Athletic Bilbao (10.) 1:4 LW 75' 84'

17 1/3/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Levante UD Levante UD (15.) 3:1 RW 66'

18 1/11/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) FC Barcelona FC Barcelona (2.) 3:1 RW 90'

19 1/18/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Granada CF Granada CF (20.) 2:0 RW 1 90'

20 1/24/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Rayo Vallecano Rayo Vallecano (10.) 3:1 RW 80'

21 1/31/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) SD Eibar SD Eibar (8.) 1:3

22 2/7/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Madrid Real Madrid (1.) 4:0 RW 50' 90'

23 2/15/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Celta de Vigo Celta de Vigo (10.) 2:0 yellow card suspension

24 2/21/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) UD Almería UD Almería (16.) 3:0 RW 90'

25 3/1/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Sevilla FC Sevilla FC (5.) 0:0 RW 37' 59'

26 3/8/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Valencia CF Valencia CF (4.) 1:1 RW 90'

27 3/14/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) RCD Espanyol Barcelona Espanyol (10.) 0:0 24'

28 3/21/15 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Getafe CF Getafe CF (13.) 2:0 RW 90'

29 4/4/15 A Atlético Madrid (4.) Córdoba CF Córdoba CF (20.) 0:2 20'

30 4/7/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Sociedad Real Sociedad (10.) 2:0 RW 83' 86'

31 4/11/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Málaga CF Málaga CF (7.) 2:2 RW 80'

32 4/18/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Deportivo de La Coruña Dep. La Coruña (16.) 1:2 LW 58'

33 4/25/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Elche CF Elche CF (14.) 3:0 on the bench

34 4/29/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Villarreal CF Villarreal CF (6.) 0:1 RW 62'

35 5/2/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Athletic Bilbao Athletic Bilbao (8.) 0:0 34'

36 5/10/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Levante UD Levante UD (15.) 2:2 RW 90'

37 5/17/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) FC Barcelona FC Barcelona (1.) 0:1 RW 72'

38 5/23/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Granada CF Granada CF (17.) 0:0 not in the squad

except for the last game of the season and another against elche, he played every game of the season.

dude, please, please stop embarassing yourself. go to an ATM forum or any spanish team forum and just say "arda is a bench player for ATM" and see what they do to you. cant even believe it.

I never said he didnt play games, you stop embrassing yourself, I said he does not start as often as you put it out, he makes appearances yes, but after every 4 games he goes he usually goes back to being a bench player, there is a clear difference between playing and not starting games.

[didierforever 7,349]

You are the one whose clueless, even soccer journalists who have more knowledge than you agree to the fact that Turan's output is shit to be precise. Quote from a recent article on ESPN : Despite the fact that the Turk's attacking instincts and ability to carry the ball cannot be doubted, his end product is actually not all that impressive in real terms. His goalscoring return is paltry, notching just 13 in 127 La Liga appearances during four seasons with the club, while he has only directly assisted 18 league goals over that same period.

was this what you were talking about? i thought you were talking about turan being a bench warmer... hahahahah

http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/14112-8-oscar/?p=1113351

read this..

"as for turan not being better.. thats just LOL talk. turan's close control, holding on to the ball is light years ahead of oscar. turan's passing and dribbling is also way better. oscar has better goal scoring, and pace than turan, thats it!!!"

this is what i wrote... hmmm.. interesting.. very clueless.. dude.. again.. stop embarassing yoursef.. i thought you would have been maxed out byy saying"i would never return to this forum if chelsea win today", yet you do.. now leave it.

[didierforever 7,349]

Actually, I think you're wrong mate. He's only started 5x from the bench and most of his substitutions happened between 80-90mins.. Also the frequency of these substitutions suggests rotation/rest because they're all over different periods of time.. In other words, he's not consistently substituted off.

I never said he didnt play games, you stop embrassing yourself, I said he does not start as often as you put it out, he makes appearances yes, but after every 4 games he goes he usually goes back to being a bench player, there is a clear difference between playing and not starting games.

is this guy's opinion valid or is he as clueless as me?

maybe we are all clueless!!!

[LDN Blue 7,903]

is this guy's opinion valid or is he as clueless as me?

maybe we are all clueless!!!

Statistics are always interpreted in different ways, that's why 9 times out of 10 (lol, the irony) statistics makes for a weak argument. Player debates should be on merits of ability, impact, what they bring to the team etc.

Different players thrive in different formations, tactics & philosophies.

[didierforever 7,349]

Statistics are always interpreted in different ways, that's why 9 times out of 10 (lol, the irony) statistics makes for a weak argument. Player debates should be on merits of ability, impact, what they bring to the team etc.

Different players thrive in different formations, tactics & philosophies.

perfectly put.

and thats one of the reasons why i think turan would be very good for us. has all the right ingredients to be a jose winger. physically strong, insanely hard worker (believe me, covering for juanfran is as bad is not worse than covering for iva), he definitely has the fight in him, and has already thrived in the same or similar role in atm which he would get at chelsea. his final product is a worry. but so is willian's. willian might not have got goals/assists but still was one of our best players for 5 months. for eg - the newcastle game (maybe not the best example but right out of the top of my head). the quick corner, assist to iva, goal to oscar, but willian had a massive massve part to play. and i would have no doubt if that was the case for a lot of our games and goals. turan is a player in the simialr mold. 29mil is a massive price tag. something like luis+5/10 would be very good for me.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

his final product is a worry. but so is willian's. willian might not have got goals/assists but still was one of our best players for 5 months. for eg - the newcastle game (maybe not the best example but right out of the top of my head). the quick corner, assist to iva, goal to oscar, but willian had a massive massve part to play. and i would have no doubt if that was the case for a lot of our games and goals. turan is a player in the simialr mold. 29mil is a massive price tag. something like luis+5/10 would be very good for me.

Lol I don't understand really why everyone talks about the goal scoring abilities of Arda & Sterling, that it goes against them. They're not strikers lol, we have Costa et al to score our goals. Players like Arda, Raheem and any other wide/attacking midfield based players are there to help the team score these goals. As with Willian, brings a tremendous work ethic and has a brilliant change of pace. All of those helped us win the title, not all XI have to score 20+ goals a season for them to be considered one of the greats. Hell even Chelsea ability.