🇧🇷 Oscar

[LAM09 7,056]

Just get rid ASAP. His time here has to be up

[The Skipper 20,609]

On 11 April 2015 at 7:20 PM, The Skipper said:

Mikel and Oscar do compare quite a bit... Contrary to what you're saying, any one that knows anything about football would know they have actually had a similar pattern in their development. (Not a dig at you Joker, more so at SMDPSG). I'll detail how they do below.

Mikel was once considered a world class talent, believe it or not. He led his Nigeria to the finals of the U20 World Cup in 2005 where they lost to Argentina. He finished behind only a certain Lionel Messi in the Golden Ball award. He was seen as a huge talent from then onwards. Oscar is another player that shone massively in the U20 World Cup, hence why he was so heralded - he did after all score a hat trick in the 2011 final in which Brazil won. Both were considered massive talents at a very young age.

Don't forget that Mikel scrapped a massive, controversial transfer saga between us and Manchester United. Surely, if he wasn't considered such a huge talent at the time he wouldn't have caused the above. I'm pretty sure you are well aware of the details of Mikel's transfer to us. Huge things were expected from him, he was seen as a potential world class midfielder. Oscar similarly had a lot of clubs after him after his showings in the 2011 U20 World Cup.

Both came at the club as massive talents and were seen as players that had the potential to be world class midfielders. As we all know, Mikel did not develop as well as we wanted to - various reasons for that i.e. him having his position changed from originally being a number 10 to a number 6-like anchor man, him not developing into a star at all etc... While IMO Mikel is not a bad player, he certainly isn't good enough to be a starter for us. Very solid squad player IMO though. I can easily see the same happening to Oscar. It's scary how his best game IMO for us was his Champions League debut three seasons ago. He hasn't developed as well as he should have despite having an ample amount of game time (just like Mikel) and he definitely hasn't shown enough over the last three seasons that he is good enough to be a nailed on starter in his position and one of the best in his position in the world either.

I used to be a massive Oscar supporter, until after a few months ago, you can check my posts. I have run out of patience with him though. If you believe that Oscar still has the potential to be one of the best number 10s in the world then fair enough but I've seen that that ship has sailed a long time ago. I didn't want to bring Eden into it but one thing I will always remember is how some said that Oscar will be a better player than Eden. That's how highly he was rated. Now anyone would laugh if you suggested the same.

Unfortunately, he just isn't a special player like that. As I've said many times before, he'd be a pretty good squad player and he isn't useless but we can definitely do better. Luckily for us, Oscar has a pretty high market value it seems, so I definitely wouldn't hesitate to sell if a nice offer came in.

Say it ain't so. We need to cash in on him ASAP. 

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2 hours ago, The Skipper said:

Say it ain't so. We need to cash in on him ASAP. 

A bit self-serving, but fair enough.

Oscar is still only 24, so I feel that despite his lack of progress, it may be premature to proclaim he's done for.

Only one of us can be 100% wrong on this one.

[lucio 5,418]

7 hours ago, Robguima said:

A bit self-serving, but fair enough.

Oscar is still only 24, so I feel that despite his lack of progress, it may be premature to proclaim he's done for.

Only one of us can be 100% wrong on this one.

he'll be 25 in the summer, and still plays like a 16 year old. really is a useless player, and we can probably make a profit on him, because of his undeserved hype. need to sell

[Stats 7,145]

Who remembers when people used to say Oscar was better than Willian?

He still will continue to get in the Brazil squad/team no matter what.

[LondonsFinest 692]

56 minutes ago, Stats said:

Who remembers when people used to say Oscar was better than Willian?

He still will continue to get in the Brazil squad/team no matter what.

I remember Pacquiao HAD the balls to argue Isco is a far worse choice than Oscar.

I remember tons of arguments with Gilvorak about how Oscar actually is a key player.

I remember Gilvorak's quote, saying Oscar was our BEST player in the first part of last season. 

I knew it last season, but gave him the benefit ot the doubt. If you seriously, in some weird, alternative reality, see any quality in Oscar at the number 10 spot, you should consider retiring from football in general. A number 10 that lacks the vision, simple passes, fuck me, I don't even remember him managing a proper pass behind the defender's back. Not once. How does this guy actually earn a living by playing top club football. He'd be ideal at some inconsistent team like Palace or Newcastle where they turn up on the odd day and that's about it. Dogshite. I'd much rather see myself play at the number 10 role for Chelsea. It would probably be just as bad.

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[BlueLion. 21,491]

BREAKING: Juventus have turned down Chelsea's offer of £35 million and Oscar in exchange for PAUL POGBA, with officials at the Italian club claiming they would be happy with just the money. (BT Sport)

[manpe 10,861]

2 minutes ago, BlueLion said:

BREAKING: Juventus have turned down Chelsea's offer of £35 million and Oscar in exchange for PAUL POGBA, with officials at the Italian club claiming they would be happy with just the money. (BT Sport)

BT Sport is reliable, isn't it? So not even Juventus want Oscar anymore. I'm wondering if they would be happy with only 35 million or if they want more cash instead of Oscar.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

1 minute ago, manpe said:

BT Sport is reliable, isn't it? So not even Juventus want Oscar anymore. I'm wondering if they would be happy with only 35 million or if they want more cash instead of Oscar.

 

It was a joke mate!

[manpe 10,861]

Just now, BlueLion said:

 

It was a joke mate!

Bastard, not funny 

[Jase 43,479]

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[Styles 9,790]

Didn't t take Hiddink long to figure out Oscar is rubbish.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Just now, Styles said:

Didn't t take Hiddink long to figure out Oscar is rubbish.

Pity it took Mourinho about 3 years to notice. 

[Essien19 1,415]

Pity it took Mourinho about 3 years to notice. 

the club without Mou thought it would be better to keep hold of him despite putting pressure on him to take the deal during the last transfer window

Mou made a mistake, but it seems that the club continued, that's not on Jose.

KdB is the better player but perhaps not the better person, but yes, one big fail!

[LDN Blue 7,903]

11 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Mou made a mistake, but it seems that the club continued, that's not on Jose

I had no problem in Mourinho's decision to get rid of Mata and keep Oscar. That decision was his alone and it's the decisions he's paid to make - Unfortunately it didn't work out, Oscar's continued to fail to reach up to his potential and has honestly been riding off that sublime match v Juventus, 4 years ago . If I give Arsenal fans shit for Wilshere having a one off game v Barcelona and riding that, then Oscar's no exception to the rule.

I'm sure he'll thrive in a new environment, where he'll feel love and adored (by someone else who isn't his sister..).

[Styles 9,790]

2 minutes ago, LDN Blue said:

I had no problem in Mourinho's decision to get rid of Mata and keep Oscar. That decision was his alone and it's the decisions he's paid to make - Unfortunately it didn't work out, Oscar's continued to fail to reach up to his potential and has honestly been riding off that sublime match v Juventus, 4 years ago . If I give Arsenal fans shit for Wilshere having a one off game v Barcelona and riding that, then Oscar's no exception to the rule.

I'm sure he'll thrive in a new environment, where he'll feel love and adored (by someone else who isn't his sister..).

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On March 5, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Stats said:

Who remembers when people used to say Oscar was better than Willian?

He still will continue to get in the Brazil squad/team no matter what.

I remember people saying the same things they say of Oscar today of Willian back then; Willian also used to produce very little in terms of end result, but that has changed in the last couple of seasons. Oscar used to have more assists and goals than Willian .

point being is that a lot can change in a couple of seasons and Willian is/was older than Oscar.

I also think he needs to leave because he hasn't been able to contribute coming off the bench or starting.

just don't be surprised if he does improve and become a good player elsewhere.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Pointless to bring up such times as well. 

It can be sugarcoated as much as people try but Willian was pretty woeful prior to 2015 and it was true that Oscar was showing a lot more than Willian in an attacking threat. Let's not forget that alarming statistic that Willian would score per 1,000 minutes .. The lad always 'worked hard', but it's only of the last 12 months he's become who he is. 

Oscar, meanwhile, shows no signs of that. His off-the-ball work rate is as dire as is his work on it! 

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11 minutes ago, LDN Blue said:

Pointless to bring up such times as well. 

It can be sugarcoated as much as people try but Willian was pretty woeful prior to 2015 and it was true that Oscar was showing a lot more than Willian in an attacking threat. Let's not forget that alarming statistic that Willian would score per 1,000 minutes .. The lad always 'worked hard', but it's only of the last 12 months he's become who he is. 

Oscar, meanwhile, shows no signs of that. His off-the-ball work rate is as dire as is his work on it! 

Well that's the strangest thing to me: not even the work rate is there.

that used to be the only thing he could consistently bring when on the pitch - not anymore.