Pacquiao 1,834 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 If Remy put that chance away where Oscar put him through one on one with the keeper, then i doubt certain people on here would be crying and insulting the guy!We are top of the league and Oscar has certainly played his part. With the postion we are in 7 points clear with a game in hand, already with the League cup in the bag, its bizarre how people have so much hate towards certain players! i guess some 'fans' are only happy when they have someone to critisize and insult CFC888, JaKstone and sainttourist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Really frustrating me, Oscar is. I just think the truth is that he is starting to get found out. If you put him in average team you would see how poor he actually is. I genuinely feel that he is made to look good at times because of the quality around him. When I watch him, he just does not inspire me with any belief. He lacks pace to effectively beat his man. I remember last season when he burned past that Schalke player and passed for Torres to score and that was very impressive but bar that he can't take on his man like Hazard and Willian can because he does not have enough pace. His dribbling is not of real quality. His long shots are not of real quality. Decent. What does he actually stand out in. The only thing I see him do for us is do those nice little flicks with Hazard and co and do neat link up play which should be standard for any no.10 at the club.He really is lucky to find himself given the amount of opportunities he has been given this season because his performances have been well below par. I hope Mourinho signs a quality CM in the summer so we cna go 4-3-3 and there is no place for Oscar or just buy a better no.10 than Oscar because we can do much better than him. Even thouhg Willian gets a lot of stick and supporters of Oscar will say his stats are more impressive than Willian's which is true, it is so obvious to see when watching us play who contributes more in the game and who is the passenger. killer1257 and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,907 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Don't know if we'll be actively trying to sell him but I don't think we'd say no if a big offer came in.The ideal scenario would be that Oscar stays as a squad player who still gets his fair share of starts and we add another world class midfielder. I'm not sure Oscar would stand for that, though. To be fair to him he IS too good of a player to get the Mata treatment and ride the bench every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Just hope PSG come knocking and offer a David Luiz figure.....even if not that amount just 20M would do.He's just not up to the job. stroey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 So bad of late. Last season he could still get 5 tackles even when he didnt play well but now he shows no energy defensively too. He could be sold at this rate if he's not careful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Don't know if we'll be actively trying to sell him but I don't think we'd say no if a big offer came in.The ideal scenario would be that Oscar stays as a squad player who still gets his fair share of starts and we add another world class midfielder. I'm not sure Oscar would stand for that, though. To be fair to him he IS too good of a player to get the Mata treatment and ride the bench every game.Are you serious? That is where he deserves to be based on his form this season. Mata does not have the same defensive work rate as Oscar but he is a better technincal player and in reality is just a better player. Oscar is only in the team because he can press better. With Mata you can see that he is genuine quality and can score, assist, cross and do the spectacular and I would describe him as a quality player. Oscar is not. He is inconsistent. We would be lucky to get an offer for Oscar anywhere near the same range we did for Mata. Right now I would sell Oscar for £20m and even that is pushing it.I know he has age on his side but I look at his general qualities and I just don't see where he will drastically improve in. With the likes of Lukaku and KDB who were 21 and 22 respectively when we sold them you recognised that they have qualities where you know will help them. Lukaku has the pace, power and finishing. KDB has the dribbling, crossing and general quality technical ability. Oscar does not have any of those traits where I think he will go on to be a star player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 He's been hauled off a few times now if memory serves me right, a player this happens too tends not to hang around. iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,907 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Are you serious? That is where he deserves to be based on his form this season. Mata does not have the same defensive work rate as Oscar but he is a better technincal player and in reality is just a better player. Oscar is only in the team because he can press better. With Mata you can see that he is genuine quality and can score, assist, cross and do the spectacular and I would describe him as a quality player. Oscar is not. He is inconsistent. We would be lucky to get an offer for Oscar anywhere near the same range we did for Mata. Right now I would sell Oscar for £20m and even that is pushing it.I know he has age on his side but I look at his general qualities and I just don't see where he will drastically improve in. With the likes of Lukaku and KDB who were 21 and 22 respectively when we sold them you recognised that they have qualities where you know will help them. Lukaku has the pace, power and finishing. KDB has the dribbling, crossing and general quality technical ability. Oscar does not have any of those traits where I think he will go on to be a star player.I think you misunderstood my post or maybe I just didn't make myself clear. Oscar definitely deserves the treatment he's getting this season with all of the substitutions and starting on the bench. What I meant was that NEXT SEASON he's too good of a player to just be a Mikel type who's a rarely used squad player. He's not quite good enough to be an every game starter for us but he's too good to simply not play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laugh1ngMan 393 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I'm no Oscar fan. I usually stick with my first impression because it's usually the right one and when i first saw him play i never thought he was something special. He's a decent player that can complement a squad but that's it for me.But what i don't get is all the ambiguous comments on here. Yesterday he played almost identically to the way he played his 'good' games like against Swansea for example. The only difference is that he didn't score the opportunity he got.I don't expect Oscar to do some flashy stuffy. He is a worker, not a creator. Most of us expect different from a number 10 but apparently not Mourinho in this team and i don't doubt him with his record.So imo it's wrong to judge him on his goals and assists solely. He brings energy and comitment to the midfield that no one else (bar maybe Willain) offer. So whenever he brings that to the table he has fullfilled pretty much everything that i expect of him.Whether that is all you expect from a number 10 in this Chelsea squad is definetely open to discussion. There are definitely players that would improve us in this area which i expect to be adressed by Mourinho in the Summer but right now i don't see anyone else who could do a better job then Oscar/Willian/Hazard as our AM's and we just have to see it through to the end of the season before we change it and give Oscar all the support we can RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3026807/Cesc-Fabregas-Oscar-Nemanja-Matic-struggling-Chelsea-boss-Jose-Mourinho-backs-midfield-trio.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeedAsked whether Oscar is struggling, as he was substituted at half-time against Stoke City, Mourinho said: ‘No, I don’t think he had a bad performance, I just think he was not good enough, which is a huge difference. OneMoSalah and Essien19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3026807/Cesc-Fabregas-Oscar-Nemanja-Matic-struggling-Chelsea-boss-Jose-Mourinho-backs-midfield-trio.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeedBeen saying that now for a while, too inconsistent, can do something but then disappears in games for prolonged periods. Sometimes just never in the game at all.For what we paid now we aren't seeing an improvement on our investment, on a young player who by now if he was as good as everyone though and considering hes played 75% of games for Chelsea since coming here he should be a much better player than what he currently is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essien19 1,415 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3026807/Cesc-Fabregas-Oscar-Nemanja-Matic-struggling-Chelsea-boss-Jose-Mourinho-backs-midfield-trio.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeedHeavy statement from Jose Mourinho!If Oscar doesn't come good quickly he will soon be gone....Mourinho doesn't fuck around! killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNDS 502 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3026807/Cesc-Fabregas-Oscar-Nemanja-Matic-struggling-Chelsea-boss-Jose-Mourinho-backs-midfield-trio.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeedEr..... what the heck!? Surely that statement by Mourinho isn't meant as it reads? Has he been misquoted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3026807/Cesc-Fabregas-Oscar-Nemanja-Matic-struggling-Chelsea-boss-Jose-Mourinho-backs-midfield-trio.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeedWoow!!! That's a strong statement. It almost sounds like he's indirectly saying he's not good enough for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 What exactly was it that I was supposed to conclude in your argument? Cos to be honest, that is one of the weakest arguments I have read concering oscar and that is saying a lot. Did not salah just go to fio and score a ton of goals? And yet he looked like a semi pro footballer playing for us even against a team luke Shrewsbury? What is it in what I wrote that you are finding so hard to grasp? There was no conclusion about Oscar, just called you on your BS. Unlike you I don't pretend to have all the answers and frankly don't care to. Predicting the development of youngsters is one of the most difficult things in football and top scouts and managers get it wrong all the time. You are entitled to your opinions however crazy they may sound to me (and they do as you think 30m+ players are shit), but when you contradict yourself, especially within the same post, that's usually a sign you are going a bit too far. You have already written your opinion about Oscar. Some here agree others don't... If in a few years, at chelsea or elsewhere, Oscar then at 26 is still exactly the same player, then I will say, "darn! I was wrong about him!" And that will take like maybe 5 minutes of my time and won't change a damn thing in my life. I just hope you are not under any illusion that whatever you write here may influence people enough to make a difference - nor that someone at chelsea actually comes here to read all the crap we write... because that would be crazy indeed. This gives an idea of how difficult it is and why there is so much money in it: http://www.academia.edu/667981/Talent_Identificantion_and_Development_Programmes_in_Sport_current_models_and_future_directions CFC888 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Will he finally be dropped to the bench on Sunday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Jose is 100% correct in that statement, but it is a very weird thing to say about a midfielder you had/have put your faith in.If that statement was said in the way it reads, then Oscar just might be on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Von Doom 258 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I could see Jose will say it is for a tactical purpose& it was. Seeing as we changed formation & went w/ a 4-4-2 until we scored RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Don't buy into it that much yet. Most likely misinterpreted statement by journo imo. If Jose has a plan to sell him, he will do it like he did with Schurrle and Mata. Saying that he is important player, etc, so that the price could went up.More likely a wake up call for Oscar as it best, if the quote is true.Edit : having re-read the full statement in the article. The quote is true, but I got the impression, it is more like Oscar did not do his job good enough in the first half against Stoke. Jose also pointed out recent drop performances of Matic and Fabregas along the lines, so I think it is not a big thing imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I find it strange that Daily Mail makes no attempt to sensationalise Mou quotes, while some here attempt to do so. Quit bizzare tbh. RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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