🇧🇷 Oscar

[hjperdeath 2,226]

4 successful tackles, Matic had 5, considering how badly we were being gunned down with Hazard isolated and Schurrle not exactly making runs that could be picked out. Fabregas didn't make one successfully . He'll obviously be more assertive as the season progresses on though. That will eventually happen.

Schurrle was pretty wasteful in front of goal. In situations where we could have kept the ball flowing. Hazard didn't feel like coming in centrally too much too, that probably hurt us more as both Cesc and Oscar didn't have much to keep the ball rotate around. Azpi looked a bit nervous too at the start, which I think is mostly cause Leicester know to push him on to his weaker foot.

Edit : Not to mention Fabregas made 13 backward passes.

[didierforever 7,349]

And no one disagrees with that. But it wasn't just him who was poor in the first - our other midfield generals in Matic and Fabregas lost numerous of balls themselves. It's like you're pinning the bad first half performance solely on Oscar which is completely untrue. There were others who were just as poor, if not even worse. It's just incredible how you're just focusing on the poor (and almost completely blaming Oscar for the first half) and not giving Oscar any credit for turning around his performance.

there was someone worse? who exactly?

also what does "20 minutes of good play" mean??? i am giving him the credit he deserves. congratualtions to him on playing 20 minutes of good football after 45 minutes of pathetic and 82 minutes of average football. i ma focusing on the poor cos there are so many of them to focus on!!! there are 2 things which are the most important aspects of a great football player, consistency and attitude, something which oscar has been lacking for a long time now.

he might not have been the sole reason for our poor first half performance but as far as i can remember he should be taking the lion's share of the blame.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

4 successful tackles, Matic had 5, considering how badly we were being gunned down with Hazard isolated and Schurrle not exactly making runs that could be picked out. 1) Fabregas didn't make one successfully . He'll obviously be more assertive as the season progresses on though. That will eventually happen.

2)Schurrle was pretty wasteful in front of goal. In situations where we could have kept the ball flowing. 3)Hazard didn't feel like coming in centrally too much too, that probably hurt us more as both Cesc and Oscar didn't have much to keep the ball rotate around. Azpi looked a bit nervous too at the start, which I think is mostly cause Leicester know to push him on to his weaker foot.

4) Edit : Not to mention Fabregas made 13 backward passes.

1) This is not true. I remember him making at least one successful tackle. But Oscar did put on more tackles and was generally good at pressing.

2) This is true. Andre was probably the worst of all our players. So many wasted shots. Sometimes it feels like he prefers to shoot no matter what instead of looking for his teammates.

3)Noticed that too.

4) 13 backward passes out of 77 passes is hardly a lot. Matic had 14 backward passes out of 63 passes. Oscar made 10 backward passes out of 42.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

1) This is not true. I remember him making at least one successful tackle. But Oscar did put on more tackles and was generally good at pressing.

2) This is true. Andre was probably the worst of all our players. So many wasted shots. Sometimes it feels like he prefers to shoot no matter what instead of looking for his teammates.

3)Noticed that too.

4) 13 backward passes out 77 passes is hardly a lot. Matic had 14 backward passes out of 63 passes. Oscar made 10 backward passes out of 42.

1. Talking about first half.

2. Sometimes it really helps, because others hesitate too. It's the timing that he's getting wrong.

3. I was only talking about the first half actually. The ratio for players decreases with the number of passes they make, mostly because all three were largely pinned back as the opposition blocked the lanes. That's what Burnley failed to do. Still a lot of work to do.

[Cosmin 2,484]

The thing is that this is Oscar's third (!) season with us and he doesn't seem to turn into that world class player that we all want him to be. That's why people are worried, because the expectations from him are very high.

If you ask me, same goes for Hazard, who still hasn't fulfilled his potential. He's good, but not as good as he could be. But I have faith that Eden will become a world class player soon enough.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

The thing is that this is Oscar's third (!) season with us and he doesn't seem to turn into that world class player that we all want him to be. That's why people are worried, because the expectations from him are very high.

If you ask me, same goes for Hazard, who still hasn't fulfilled his potential. He's good, but not as good as he could be. But I have faith that Eden will become a world class player soon enough.

The first 6 months of 2013-14 season he is immense. One of the reason why we sold Mata.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

The first 6 months of 2013-14 season he is immense. One of the reason why we sold Mata.

Not the primary one but. Oscar has a wider channel to grow into, and not remain limited. That's more like the secondary reason, with the primary being that Mata couldn't fit into the plan.

[Barbara 15,149]

i dont think she said so. infact, she has actually voted for oscar as her MOTM in the match thread.

I did explain I haven't watched the first half and he was involved in some of our most dangerous chances... the pass to Schurrle who was selfish and didn't pass to Hazard, his own shot that hit the wood, the pass to Ivanovic in the Costa goal.

And if the info in tumblr is correct, he was rewarded the official competition MOTM... I guess I'm not that off mark and in the same post you refer to, I said I could have given the vote to Iva who had just as a good match as Oscar.

What @pgleo meant and any child could understand is that I've criticized Oscar (a lot btw) in the past when he was shit. That wasn't the case yesterday in the second and in the first I just read Cesc even own-tackled Oscar and that Schurrle took the ball away from Costa, etc... either way, I don't have anything else to say to you about this...

The thing is that this is Oscar's third (!) season with us and he doesn't seem to turn into that world class player that we all want him to be. That's why people are worried, because the expectations from him are very high.

If you ask me, same goes for Hazard, who still hasn't fulfilled his potential. He's good, but not as good as he could be. But I have faith that Eden will become a world class player soon enough.

and that still makes him only 22... he could be here for 5 already, it doesn't change his age and the fact he's still a talent under development.

[lionsden 4,689]

No matter how hard you try to mask mediocrity and distort reality, the truth always prevail in the end and more people are finally waking up to smell the coffee. And I see oscar's apologist are still referencing his "brilliant start to the season in 13/14" as some sort of excuse for his abject mediocrity since he joined much the same way they used that infamous Juventus performance for the whole of 12/13 season.

The funny thing is these are the same people that criticise (d) and scrutinise (d) players who have done far more and showed better consistency and reliability for us over the years i.e Ramires,Mikel,Kalou et al.

let's see how far they milk his "2nd half performance against Leicester" for all it is worth.

I don't often agree with didierforerver but he's been absolutely spot on so far on the pathetic double standard on this forum.

[Barbara 15,149]

No matter how hard you try to mask mediocrity and distort reality, the truth always prevail in the end and more people are finally waking up to smell the coffee. And I see oscar's apologist are still referencing his "brilliant start to the season in 13/14" as some sort of excuse for his abject mediocrity since he joined much the same way they used that infamous Juventus performance for the whole of 12/13 season.

The funny thing is these are the same people that criticise (d) and scrutinise (d) players who have done far more and showed better consistency and reliability for us over the years i.e Ramires,Mikel,Kalou et al.

I don't often agree with didierforerver but he's been absolutely spot on so far on the pathetic double standard on this forum.

so let me be really precise about it.

We had 5/6 collective really good chances in the second half (as Hazard's goal was a genius individual goal). Oscar assisted one (the pass to Schurrle in a through ball from defense), Oscar's own shot on the wood (from which came a second chance a few seconds later, but I'm counting them separately), Iva's header and Costa goal - that started with a through ball by Oscar and Cesc's curler - that I don't remember if Oscar was involved or not before Iva's assist. That's him being involved directly in 3 out of our 5/6 best chances created... DIRECTLY.

Yep, I see your point just fine...

As someone said, if the ball to Schurrle and the ball to Ivanovic had been done by Cesc or Willian or whoever, people would be fapping about it, but it was little uncreative and average Oscar, they're brushed off as nothing.

[The Skipper 20,609]

No matter how hard you try to mask mediocrity and distort reality, the truth always prevail in the end and more people are finally waking up to smell the coffee. And I see oscar's apologist are still referencing his "brilliant start to the season in 13/14" as some sort of excuse for his abject mediocrity since he joined much the same way they used that infamous Juventus performance for the whole of 12/13 season.

The funny thing is these are the same people that criticise (d) and scrutinise (d) players who have done far more and showed better consistency and reliability for us over the years i.e Ramires,Mikel,Kalou. I don't often agree with didierforerver but he's been absolutely spot on so far on the pathetic double standard on this forum.

What is didierforever discussing though? How average Oscar's been over the last 7/8 months or so? No one disagrees with that (at least to my knowledge) - hence why I don't get his argument whatsoever. Why is he even bringing that up? People are isolating Oscar's singular performance from yesterday and discussing that and he's getting his knickers in a twist because some have just come on here and commended that Oscar did well to turn around his bad first half. His argument is nonsense IMO. Whether you like it or not, Oscar was instrumental in our win yesterday as he created chances (one that ended up as a goal - his delicate pass to Ivanovic) and his shot that hit the post, also the Schurrle chance... Why is it so bad to commend him for that?

And you can't put me personally in the "double standards" bracket with your examples because I've backed Ramires and Mikel numerous times on the forum. I call it how I see it fairly I like to believe and I can tell you straight that df's argument is just a strange one. He's getting angry because people are commending Oscar for a nice 2nd half saying we can't forget his first half and basically insinuating that he was by far the worst player and that the bad first half performance was mostly on him and that's absolute bollocks IMO.

[zolayes 14,489]

No matter how hard you try to mask mediocrity and distort reality, the truth always prevail in the end and more people are finally waking up to smell the coffee. And I see oscar's apologist are still referencing his "brilliant start to the season in 13/14" as some sort of excuse for his abject mediocrity since he joined much the same way they used that infamous Juventus performance for the whole of 12/13 season.

The funny thing is these are the same people that criticise (d) and scrutinise (d) players who have done far more and showed better consistency and reliability for us over the years i.e Ramires,Mikel,Kalou et al.

let's see how far they milk his "2nd half performance against Leicester" for all it is worth.

I don't often agree with didierforerver but he's been absolutely spot on so far on the pathetic double standard on this forum.

so I suppose EVERYONE who doesn't share ALL your views have pathetic double standards

[lionsden 4,689]

so let me be really precise about it.

We had 5/6 collective really good chances in the second half (as Hazard's goal was a genius individual goal). Oscar assisted one (the pass to Schurrle in a through ball from defense), Oscar's own shot on the wood (from which came a second chance a few seconds later, but I'm counting them separately), Iva's header and Costa goal - that started with a through ball by Oscar and Cesc's curler - that I don't remember if Oscar was involved or not before Iva's assist. That's him being involved directly in 3 out of our 5/6 best chances created... DIRECTLY.

Yep, I see your point just fine...

As someone said, if the ball to Schurrle and the ball to Ivanovic had been done by Cesc or Willian or whoever, people would be fapping about it, but it was little uncreative and average Oscar, they're brushed off as nothing.

I haven't said he wasn't good in the 2nd half. despite my style of posting, I give credit where its due and he was good in the 2nd half but that's besides the point. I was referring to how his overall woeful performance and inconsistency since he joined doesn't justify his status as a regular starter and how posters milk the hell out of isolated performances to justify his overall woeful ones throughout the season.

I can't remember a Chelsea starter as woefully inconsistent as Oscar apart from Torres (between 2011-2014)He shouldn't be starting matches for us as he doesn't do enough to merit it and people cut him some slacks far too much. that's my argument.

[lionsden 4,689]

What is didierforever discussing though? How average Oscar's been over the last 7/8 months or so? No one disagrees with that (at least to my knowledge) - hence why I don't get his argument whatsoever. Why is he even bringing that up? People are isolating Oscar's singular performance from yesterday and discussing that and he's getting his knickers in a twist because some have just come on here and commended that Oscar did well to turn around his bad first half. His argument is nonsense IMO. Whether you like it or not, Oscar was instrumental in our win yesterday as he created chances (one that ended up as a goal - his delicate pass to Ivanovic) and his shot that hit the post, also the Schurrle chance... Why is it so bad to commend him for that?

And you can't put me personally in the "double standards" bracket with your examples because I've backed Ramires and Mikel numerous times on the forum. I call it how I see it fairly I like to believe and I can tell you straight that df's argument is just a strange one. He's getting angry because people are commending Oscar for a nice 2nd half saying we can't forget his first half and basically insinuating that he was by far the worst player and that the bad first half performance was mostly on him and that's absolute bollocks IMO.

he was good in the 2nd half fair enough but there are more deserving players that should be starting ahead of him. His unremarkable inconsistency should never be overlooked and his ridiculous appearance stats since he joined is a strong indication that it does indeed get overlooked.

[The Skipper 20,609]

he was good in the 2nd half fair enough but there are more deserving players that should be starting ahead of him. His unremarkable inconsistency should never be overlooked and his ridiculous appearance stats since he joined is a strong indication that it does indeed get overlooked.

I understand that but it's new season, and Oscar has a new role in a slightly different system, which is less creatively reliant on him and suits more to his strengths - he's now more of a number 8. I feel like the judgements we made on him last season is irrelevant in a sense - only that his average season last year means that he has to step up this year - but honestly we shouldn't be expecting him to be our creative outlet anymore (as the number 10) in this system. Hence why I think we should be judging Oscar in a new sense.

[Barbara 15,149]

I haven't said he wasn't good in the 2nd half. despite my style of posting, I give credit where its due and he was good in the 2nd half but that's besides the point. I was referring to how his overall woeful performance and inconsistency since he joined doesn't justify his status as a regular starter and how posters milk the hell out of isolated performances to justify his overall woeful ones throughout the season.

I can't remember a Chelsea starter as woefully inconsistent as Oscar apart from Torres (between 2011-2014)He shouldn't be starting matches for us as he doesn't do enough to merit it and people cut him some slacks far too much. that's my argument.

Did you just put Oscar and Torres in the sentence/bracket or whatever? I rest my case then if Oscar's poorness is only second to Torres for you...

[Chelsea? 892]

that 15min he had yesterday was probably the best 15 min any chelsea player has showed us this season. when the game opens up, he starts to play like the world class player he really is. He needs to play against Everton

[didierforever 7,349]

This is turning into a thread very similar to one of our players!!! Like lionsden said "mikling" a 20 minute perfoance for all its worth.

[lionsden 4,689]

Did you just put Oscar and Torres in the sentence/bracket or whatever? I rest my case then if Oscar's poorness is only second to Torres for you...

Which regular starter in recent times has been as inconsistent as oscar after torres?

[The Skipper 20,609]

This is turning into a thread very similar to one of our players!!! Like lionsden said "mikling" a 20 minute perfoance for all its worth.

Only milking the second half performance because you're milking the first half performance.