Eden Hazard

[yuvala 2,167]

Whatever happened to this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weAk99XMD6A

[sutro 1,026]

Whatever happened to this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weAk99XMD6A

Sometimes i wonder if he's still allowed to do this kind of actions, could be tactics from mou

[TrippingStep 336]

Whatever happened to this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weAk99XMD6A

Benitez is gone

What happened to Luiz, Mata, to a lesser extent Ramires, Azpi, even Oscar lately has not performed very well.

All the important players that were performing in the Benitez system are underperforming this year.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Benitez is gone

What happened to Luiz, Mata, to a lesser extent Ramires, Azpi, even Oscar lately has not performed very well.

All the important players that were performing in the Benitez system are underperforming this year.

Not Oscar. But you're right, every other important player for us under Rafa can't get into the team now, or are playing weird.

[Beigl 1,387]

Calm down.It´s a dip of form,every player has that no matter how good they are.Our team doesn´t play too well either,so wait until we start playing better he will be on-fire again

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Calm down.It´s a dip of form,every player has that no matter how good they are.Our team doesn´t play too well either,so wait until we start playing better he will be on-fire again

I don't even feel as if its bad form. I feel it has to do with confidence and decision making.

Even against westbrom, he was missing in the first half till he decided to dribble his fullback and fire a shot(purely his decision or sudden rise in urgency) which led to the goal.

So if he can stay confident that he can do that a lot, he will still be the same person as last season. Schurrle is not as talented as hazard but has confidence to run at defenders, hell even townsend runs at defenders far more than hazard which is strange. If he attempts to run and is stopped then I can understand. But now he rarely attempts to run at all which means its looking like a confidence problem than form. The fact that Last season he averaged 5-6 dribbles per game, but this season its dropped to 2 dribbles per game. Massive difference.

[Barbara 15,149]

I don't even feel as if its bad form. I feel it has to do with confidence and decision making.

Even against westbrom, he was missing in the first half till he decided to dribble his fullback and fire a shot(purely his decision or sudden rise in urgency) which led to the goal.

So if he can stay confident that he can do that a lot, he will still be the same person as last season. Schurrle is not as talented as hazard but has confidence to run at defenders, hell even townsend runs at defenders far more than hazard which is strange. If he attempts to run and is stopped then I can understand. But now he rarely attempts to run at all which means its looking like a confidence problem than form. The fact that Last season he averaged 5-6 dribbles per game, but this season its dropped to 2 dribbles per game. Massive difference.

and somehow people blame this on the defending responsibility he's assumed this season and I just can't link one thing to another...

The only problem a player who isn't used to press can have once they start doing it, is getting tired faster or more than they usually did. Hazard is supposed to be one of our faster players, so if he's pressing someone in the first third, maybe he won't be where he usually was (waiting in the second as he watched the game), but he's fast, he can win the ball in the first/second half and run with it, or he can receive a pass from who intercepted it. That (and getting tired) should be the only detractors on his play because he's defending.

What does defending have to do with the horrible ball control he showed in the perfect pass Oscar gave to him? I see people blaming Willian - who is short and not used to heading the ball - missing a sitter header, but I literally saw no one complaining about the ball that Hazard received that could have won us the game... but his first touch was so poor, that the only time in the match we actually had one splitting pass from our AMs was completely wasted.

I agree he's facing some confidence issues. I've touched that weeks (I guess months) ago in this thread when I said I wish he was more like Neymar in that aspect: just tried the dribble, if he misses a few of them, it's part of risk and the game, he'll probably be successful in a few others. When he receives the ball and does nothing with it, but pass backwards or to the side it has nothing to do with the defending responsibility he now has. And I can't think why pressing would affect his confidence either, so I think the problem is more on Hazard than on the tactics, but lately almost everyone blame the tactics and the manager for the players poor form. I'm not exempting Mourinho, it's part of his job work with his players for them to improve their form, but it's also laughable exempt a player like Hazard from his own bad shape. He's been average at most this season and maybe, just maybe, his defensive responsibility affected that, but it's not the biggest cause imo because it makes no sense. He continues to receive a huge amount of passes in the final third. Against Newcastle no other player received more passes in the final third than Hazard did (others matches too) and except those two occasions he and Mata pretended they were playing for Barcelona, he produced nothing... how can we blame that on defending responsibilities or tactics?

[kellzfresh 7,229]

and somehow people blame this on the defending responsibility he's assumed this season and I just can't link one thing to another...

The only problem a player who isn't used to press can have once they start doing it, is getting tired faster or more than they usually did. Hazard is supposed to be one of our faster players, so if he's pressing someone in the first third, maybe he won't be where he usually was (waiting in the second as he watched the game), but he's fast, he can win the ball in the first/second half and run with it, or he can receive a pass from who intercepted it. That (and getting tired) should be the only detractors on his play because he's defending.

What does defending have to do with the horrible ball control he showed in the perfect pass Oscar gave to him? I see people blaming Willian - who is short and not used to heading the ball - missing a sitter header, but I literally saw no one complaining about the ball that Hazard received that could have won us the game... but his first touch was so poor, that the only time in the match we actually had one splitting pass from our AMs was completely wasted.

I agree he's facing some confidence issues. I've touched that weeks (I guess months) ago in this thread when I said I wish he was more like Neymar in that aspect: just tried the dribble, if he misses a few of them, it's part of risk and the game, he'll probably be successful in a few others. When he receives the ball and does nothing with it, but pass backwards or to the side it has nothing to do with the defending responsibility he now has. And I can't think why pressing would affect his confidence either, so I think the problem is more on Hazard than on the tactics, but lately almost everyone blame the tactics and the manager for the players poor form. I'm not exempting Mourinho, it's part of his job work with his players for them to improve their form, but it's also laughable exempt a player like Hazard from his own bad shape. He's been average at most this season and maybe, just maybe, his defensive responsibility affected that, but it's not the biggest cause imo because it makes no sense. He continues to receive a huge amount of passes in the final third. Against Newcastle no other player received more passes in the final third than Hazard did (others matches too) and except those two occasions he and Mata pretended they were playing for Barcelona, he produced nothing... how can we blame that on defending responsibilities or tactics?

You know I completely forgot about that poor control that could have put us 2-0 ahead.

We were 1-0 ahead so it didn't seem so important, that's why we all remember willian's header bcos it was when we were loosing.

Thank goodness I wasn't the only one that was noticing this, shurrle is not half the dribbler hazard is, but at least he has a go at the defenders and forces them back if possible. If hazard drives in instead of passing back, that way we don't have to pass to ivanovic to cross all the time (:banghead:)

If hazard was doing that more, we could see more of the first goal against westbrom or the two goals against bayern munich.

[Hamilton 2,120]

Imo that ball was perfect for a one time killer shot iirc..

But indeed Barbara, that first touch was awful..

[Barbara 15,149]

Imo that ball was perfect for a one time killer shot iirc..

But indeed Barbara, that first touch was awful..

I won't blame the defeat on him because I think every player will make a mistake like that... but I feel like he's slower this season to find his best form and I don't think his form in the attack has much to do with his overall form. His overall form is good imo, he's working hard, he's pressing, he's presenting himself and moving around to receive the ball. He does seem to be lacking a bit of confidence though and that's why I think we haven't seen him explode this season yet.

[Weckerz 3,781]

He'll grow into the season, he's been drastically better in the latter part of the season for 3 years straight now, it might not be a coincidence. He does need more consistency, something that will come in time I'm sure

[BlueLyon 9,359]

He doesnt have experience and is inconsistent because of young age. I remember Ribery was inconsistent as hell in those years too...all that Eden needs is to play and get support and certainly train hard.

Btw I see a lot more of Ribery in Eden rather than Ronaldo or Bale. People who expect Hazard to be truly one of worlds best he has to score tons of goals are just wrong. Ribery rarely scores and assists (in comparison to the likes of Messi or Ozil) but he is in my opinion more useful player for Bayern than Messi or Ronaldo or Ozil would ever be. He isnt selfish and lets others shine aswell. He makes that extra in big games and thats it. He is super team player and I would love to see Eden become like him one day, even if that means he will never be 20+ goals scoring machine every season. Ribery is proof of offensive team player that *makes other players play better*. Same like Zidane used to do. On other hand Ronaldo or Messi will never make others play better. They are main stars surrounded by world class players and play even better (sure thats plus for team as whole, but one cant say that Messi or Ronaldo made Benzema or Villa play better (I guess it was opposite actualy))

[kellzfresh 7,229]

He doesnt have experience and is inconsistent because of young age. I remember Ribery was inconsistent as hell in those years too...all that Eden needs is to play and get support and certainly train hard.

Btw I see a lot more of Ribery in Eden rather than Ronaldo or Bale. People who expect Hazard to be truly one of worlds best he has to score tons of goals are just wrong. Ribery rarely scores and assists (in comparison to the likes of Messi or Ozil) but he is in my opinion more useful player for Bayern than Messi or Ronaldo or Ozil would ever be. He isnt selfish and lets others shine aswell. He makes that extra in big games and thats it. He is super team player and I would love to see Eden become like him one day, even if that means he will never be 20+ goals scoring machine every season. Ribery is proof of offensive team player that *makes other players play better*. Same like Zidane used to do. On other hand Ronaldo or Messi will never make others play better. They are main stars surrounded by world class players and play even better (sure thats plus for team as whole, but one cant say that Messi or Ronaldo made Benzema or Villa play better (I guess it was opposite actualy))

i have noticed he isn't just a ronaldo, bale or messi type of player but he is more of a ribery/nasri player. I wish he could be more than that This is why im being so critical of him to change while he's young.

The only thing stopping him is his attitude. If he brings in more urgency and responsibility to his game, he will suddenly start taking more driving runs and shots which create chances out of nothing.

But sadly hazard is too much of a team player for this, so we need the team to play well for hazard to shine.

[bouletje 82]

Yeah the thing I like mostly about Ribéry is that he always plays a big role in every game, hazard on the other hand disappears in games too much.... I can see the comparison tho that hazard can make a team go like Ribéry does...

Altho the last game I saw Some interesting dribbles again from hazard, you could see the guys defending him nearly crapped their pants everytime he got the ball...

[Hamilton 2,120]

moving around to receive the ball

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And imo he doesn't get it (fast) enough at times. At times he's overlooked and doesn't get the ball, mostly the ball goes backwards these days..

[Jase 43,479]

The thing with Hazard is that since he joined us, we have actually only seen his talent and abilities in glimpses and patches and I don't think we have yet to really see him play a match well from the first till the last minute of a game. Usually, he only does well and suddenly turn in out in parts during matches. Maybe it's because of his talent and abilities that we have high expectations and expect big things from him every time but given that, I would really like to see a tad more consistent performances, despite the young age, not just bits and pieces here and there. And maybe it's also due to the fact that he's no longer the big fish in a small pond like he was at Lille but I certainly want to see him perform at full flow because right now, he's not doing too much that his talent suggests he can.

[Tomo 21,751]

What i wonder is are we judging him on how good he is now or his potential when he joined?

He was the hottest young property at Lillie and getting hype beyond all means and hasn't quite reached his obvious potential, but despite it being widely regarded he has been under par this season, hasn't he created the most chances out of anyone this season?

[Weckerz 3,781]

What i wonder is are we judging him on how good he is now or his potential when he joined?

He was the hottest young property at Lillie and getting hype beyond all means and hasn't quite reached his obvious potential, but despite it being widely regarded he has been under par this season, hasn't he created the most chances out of anyone this season?

That's the thing with hyped up players, the media creates an image of the so called new Messi or Ronaldo or whatever and inadvertently people use it as a benchmark to judge said players.

People on here will criticize him even if he is our motm because he is called Hazard and 'we all know his potential, he should do better'. This is such a flawed way of thinking and will only set you up to be disappointed more often than not.

He is Eden Hazard, not Ronaldo, we saw what he can do last year, he hasn't reached his level from his Lille days but tbh people need to cut him some slack and let him grow.

[Yeboii 1,844]

That's the thing with hyped up players, the media creates an image of the so called new Messi or Ronaldo or whatever and inadvertently people use it as a benchmark to judge said players.

People on here will criticize him even if he is our motm because he is called Hazard and 'we all know his potential, he should do better'. This is such a flawed way of thinking and will only set you up to be disappointed more often than not.

He is Eden Hazard, not Ronaldo, we saw what he can do last year, he hasn't reached his level from his Lille days but tbh people need to cut him some slack and let him grow.

I think its always good to push everyone so they play better. We know Hazard can play better, Mourinho knows it. Lets hope he has the same mentality as many people here saying he should do better.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWQa0tY7n4Y

All his touches against West Bromwich Albion.

He's really not playing as bad as some people think.