Eden Hazard

[the wes 7,212]

 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

9 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

People regulary call nearly any player a cunt or something equaly offensive as soon they talk about another country/team or dont perform well enough for a while. There are pages on Eden, Tibo, Costa,... threads full of such comments when certain events were happening. 

Personaly I understand one goes nuts after losing 4:1 against watford and spills anger in couple after match posts, but when someone posts like "sell this cunt as long he is worth something" randomly few days after matches (and repeats it or others join the bandwagon) is beyond my understanding.

No true fan would say that after all the players did for us.

I mean I seriously dislike Cesc, he is ex gooner, has no leadership backbone despite he is experienced player, but hell he is useful player and I value his contribution from the bench.  I wanted him benched since 2014, but I wouldnt sell him unless it was necessary, nevermind call him out with some silly names.

But hey there was big group of fans wanting to ship Eden, the "cunt" in 2016, only to see them worshiping him year later. 

Im not on forum that long, was the same with Lamps, Drogba,...back then? Or is this just the new generation of fans that have no respect and faith in the team?

As a 15 year old I was at the infamous Paul Canoville game when we played Crystal Palace. For those who don't know Paul was Chelsea's first ever black player. When he came on this was at Selhurst Park our whole and believe me it was all our support started booing him and making monkey noises etc. I couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing I had black mates at school and on my estate this was just sickening. Chelsea got a reputation as a racist club which took years to get rid of. So for someone to call someone a Belgian cunt just because they played badly is not on slag players off by all means but to bring their nationality into is unnecessary.

 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

I don't understand this "Hazard going to Madrid because of Zidane" talk. At this point there is more chances of Hazard being managed by Zidane at Chelsea, than at Madrid.

Madrid are 20 points behind Barcelona and out of the Spanish Cup. Next up is the Paris tie and it is do or die for Zidane. There is a lot of pressure on Madrid before this tie and a lot of delusion from the Spanish media if you ask me because they talk about this leg as if they are favourites to win it and playing a normal opponent.

The relationship between Zidane and Florentino Perez is totally broken since a few weeks ago when Zidane refused to sign Kepa from Bilbao. It was Florentino Perez's signing, he agreed everything from release clause to Kepa's contract, but Zidane did not want him and since then there is a lot of tension between the two of them. Perez was furious and wanted to sack Zidane after this incident, but kept him out of respect for what he meant as a player and what he did as a manager in the last years. But he is surely gone in the summer if you ask me.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

1 hour ago, petre.ispirescu said:

I don't understand this "Hazard going to Madrid because of Zidane" talk. At this point there is more chances of Hazard being managed by Zidane at Chelsea, than at Madrid.

Madrid are 20 points behind Barcelona and out of the Spanish Cup. Next up is the Paris tie and it is do or die for Zidane. There is a lot of pressure on Madrid before this tie and a lot of delusion from the Spanish media if you ask me because they talk about this leg as if they are favourites to win it and playing a normal opponent.

The relationship between Zidane and Florentino Perez is totally broken since a few weeks ago when Zidane refused to sign Kepa from Bilbao. It was Florentino Perez's signing, he agreed everything from release clause to Kepa's contract, but Zidane did not want him and since then there is a lot of tension between the two of them. Perez was furious and wanted to sack Zidane after this incident, but kept him out of respect for what he meant as a player and what he did as a manager in the last years. But he is surely gone in the summer if you ask me.

 

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I dont think madrid will buy hazard imo.

Benzema and Ronaldo are no longer scoring frequently, Bale is too injury prone to have significant impact.  They already have a creator general in isco... They need goals and salah offers that, not hazard. They're going to try and get a goalscorer unless zidane insists on hazard, Hazard is going nowhere imo.

[Georgy 439]

1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

 

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I dont think madrid will buy hazard imo.

Benzema and Ronaldo are no longer scoring frequently, Bale is too injury prone to have significant impact.  They already have a creator general in isco... They need goals and salah offers that, not hazard. They're going to try and get a goalscorer unless zidane insists on hazard, Hazard is going nowhere imo.

Unless we build the first 11 with players of Hazard's level I don't give a feck if he goes at Madrid.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

If he goes to Madrid I dont think he'll jump up 2 or 3 levels like everybody assumes. I think he'll be as good there as he is here, which is why the 'Eden needs to leave to fulfil his full potential' argument is absolute shite. If he went to Barcelona okay maybe a different story, Messi, Suarez, Iniesta... a lot of other very good players there (not that there isnt as many good players at Madrid but they are very much chopping and changing every few years) but theres no doubt that they have got this philosophy and clear direction engraved into their club and have done for years and years, that would probably improve a lot of players with the whole style and philosophy they've been following for god knows how long now. I think we should only let him go if he wants to move to Barcelona imo, unless he wants to leave badly and Real offer Isco/Asensio and on top, a truck load of money (100-120m). 

[Fernando 6,453]

Yeah I feel the same. I don't think he will be the top dog like Ronaldo. 

 

[Dazzy_Vance 454]

He obviously wants to leave and I’m sure Real Madrid want him, but are they going to pay what we want for him? I can’t see it happening

[Jase 43,479]

On 2/9/2018 at 3:49 PM, the wes said:

 

If/when he does leave, we'll no doubt miss his quality, talent and what he contributes to the team but I highly doubt we'll miss him on an emotional level. Though he's not the first one and won't be the last, every time he talks about being interested in Real Madrid, it's like spitting in the fans who have supported him all these years, even through during bad times. Sees us nothing more than a stepping stone to bigger things. That is why I said what I said before, IF he does end up staying, it'll feel nothing more like a marriage of convenience because the "girl of his dream" rejected him.

[Alabama 1,992]

enough of all this Hazard higgie hagga....I cant stand it anymore....

Dear board...

pls just grab sense for once and sell Hazard to Madrid for 120 plus Marco Asensio/ Matteo Kovacic and invest the fund on Paulo Dybala or someone of his quality while adding Leon Baily....please I pray thee...then we can ship off the likes of willian pedro fabregas and co...

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

If/when he does leave, we'll no doubt miss his quality, talent and what he contributes to the team but I highly doubt we'll miss him on an emotional level. Though he's not the first one and won't be the last, every time he talks about being interested in Real Madrid, it's like spitting in the fans who have supported him all these years, even through during bad times. Sees us nothing more than a stepping stone to bigger things. That is why I said what I said before, IF he does end up staying, it'll feel nothing more like a marriage of convenience because the "girl of his dream" rejected him.

Bit extreme. A stepping stone, he's been here for 6 years. Don't think you can say he used us as a stepping stone.

I don't really blame him for wanting out tbh. Our ambition isn't what it used too be in the beginning of the Roman Abramovich era.

We now seem content with a top four finish and looking at our spending compared to that of City and United winning another PL title  seems very unlikely.(the way the situation currently is).

 

Fans are fickle as hell. Hazard was booed by fans in the 2015-2016 season and more then half the board on here wanted him out and was insulting him on these boards. 

The people who supported him in his bad times are a minority and pretty sure that most of them would understand why he'd leave. 

Players shouldn't base their career decisions on what the fans think. Players are "usable things" the moment they aren't of any use any more fans move on to the next.

 

Also Lampard went to City. Cech went to Arsenal. 2 club legends that had been here for 10 years+ and had an emotional connection with the fans yet both pretty much went "fuck the fans i'll choose what's best for me."

[Jase 43,479]

20 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

Bit extreme. A stepping stone, he's been here for 6 years. Don't think you can say he used us as a stepping stone.

I don't really blame him for wanting out tbh. Our ambition isn't what it used too be in the beginning of the Roman Abramovich era.

We now seem content with a top four finish and looking at our spending compared to that of City and United winning another PL title  seems very unlikely.(the way the situation currently is).

I don't necessarily mean that literally but it has certainly felt that way. Besides, he's been talking about Madrid for years and has certainly been eyeing that move for some time now. It's not like it's came out of nowhere because of our lack of ambition or anything like that.

22 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

Also Lampard went to City. Cech went to Arsenal. 2 club legends that had been here for 10 years+ and had an emotional connection with the fans yet both pretty much went "fuck the fans i'll choose what's best for me."

That's hardly the same, is it? We didn't want to give Lampard a new contract and he wanted to play more than he was (IIRC - whether he was right to join City via New York City FC is another story) while Cech wanted to leave because we chose Courtois over him as the no.1 Different from Hazard, who is the undisputed no.1 star and the main player here, no?

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

I don't necessarily mean that literally but it has certainly felt that way. Besides, he's been talking about Madrid for years and has certainly been eyeing that move for some time now. It's not like it's came out of nowhere because of our lack of ambition or anything like that.

That's hardly the same, is it? We didn't want to give Lampard a new contract and he wanted to play more than he was (IIRC - whether he was right to join City via New York City FC is another story) while Cech wanted to leave because we chose Courtois over him as the no.1 Different from Hazard, who is the undisputed no.1 star and the main player here, no?

Only this season has he actually been eying Real Madrid imo. The season before it was usually a neutral response to his future that caused people to be upset. 

Our lack of ambition has been noticeable for a while now. 

 

Just poving the point that players choose their own career moves with little regard for fans. 

Lampard could have gone too any club but chose City because they paid the most. He knew it would hurt Chelsea fans but he did it any way.

Same with Cech. He could have gone to any club yet he chose to go to Arsenal because he wanted to stay in London.

He knew it would hurt Chelsea fans but he did it anyway. Both chose their own self interest over the fans. 

Why wouldn't Hazard be allowed to do the same ? 

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

Only this season has he actually been eying Real Madrid imo. The season before it was usually a neutral response to his future that caused people to be upset. 

Our lack of ambition has been noticeable for a while now.

Just poving the point that players choose their own career moves with little regard for fans. 

Lampard could have gone too any club but chose City because they paid the most. He knew it would hurt Chelsea fans but he did it any way.

Same with Cech. He could have gone to any club yet he chose to go to Arsenal because he wanted to stay in London.

He knew it would hurt Chelsea fans but he did it anyway. Both chose their own self interest over the fans. 

Why wouldn't Hazard be allowed to do the same ? 

Where did I say Hazard isn't allowed to leave? We all know that Hazard is probably gonna leave for Madrid at some point but I doubt many would appreciate being constantly 'reminded' about him with his constant talk about Real, Zidane etc. Just because the likes of Lampard, Cech did it, it doesn't mean Hazard have to do the same. But him always having one eye on Madrid and talking about them is something that won't endear him to the fans. And was there anyone really pissed with Cech that he chose to join Arsenal? Think we all respected his decision and could understand why after what he did for the club in 10+ years.

[Tomo 21,733]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

If/when he does leave, we'll no doubt miss his quality, talent and what he contributes to the team but I highly doubt we'll miss him on an emotional level. Though he's not the first one and won't be the last, every time he talks about being interested in Real Madrid, it's like spitting in the fans who have supported him all these years, even through during bad times. Sees us nothing more than a stepping stone to bigger things. That is why I said what I said before, IF he does end up staying, it'll feel nothing more like a marriage of convenience because the "girl of his dream" rejected him.

But on the flip side, player's like Ferreira genuinely love everything about Chelsea but we would have shafted him for a superior player in a heartbeat if offered.

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

But on the flip side, player's like Ferreira genuinely love everything about Chelsea but we would have shafted him for a superior player in a heartbeat if offered.

And that's a guarantee because? We have players like now and had in the past and have hardly pushed them out, have we?

[Pizy 18,368]

Been thinking a bit recently about how Mo Salah has kind of put Hazard to shame in terms of scoring production from the wide attacking position. I think Hazard is the superior all around player but for some reason just doesn't have that same killer instinct that Mo has. I wonder why that is, though. Hazard gets into those same dangerous areas and loves to cut inside just like Salah does but doesn't score anywhere near as much.

Is this down solely to Liverpool's system? Is it Hazard's mentality? He should be scoring 25+ goals a season. I guess you can say that if he played in an all out attacking side like City or Liverpool he'd probably do so. But it's not like our tactics have really restrained him because he's been one of the best players in the league for all but one season since he's been here.

I don't know, I guess what I'm saying is it's kind of embarrassing (idk if that's the right word) that Salah has already scored nearly 30 goals in his first season in English football while it would take Eden 2 years to score that many. I know Hazards first instinct isn't to score like Salah's is but still. To have that many more goals this season is sad.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

2 hours ago, Pizy said:

Been thinking a bit recently about how Mo Salah has kind of put Hazard to shame in terms of scoring production from the wide attacking position. I think Hazard is the superior all around player but for some reason just doesn't have that same killer instinct that Mo has. I wonder why that is, though. Hazard gets into those same dangerous areas and loves to cut inside just like Salah does but doesn't score anywhere near as much.

Is this down solely to Liverpool's system? Is it Hazard's mentality? He should be scoring 25+ goals a season. I guess you can say that if he played in an all out attacking side like City or Liverpool he'd probably do so. But it's not like our tactics have really restrained him because he's been one of the best players in the league for all but one season since he's been here.

I don't know, I guess what I'm saying is it's kind of embarrassing (idk if that's the right word) that Salah has already scored nearly 30 goals in his first season in English football while it would take Eden 2 years to score that many. I know Hazards first instinct isn't to score like Salah's is but still. To have that many more goals this season is sad.

Different type of players, different roles in their team and one plays in a more attacking system then the other. 

Salah tries to get on the end of an attack by staying high and wide and then either cutting in with the ball or making a run in behind.

Hazard is different he drops deep a lot more. He gets involved a lot more in the actual building of an attack. Part of that is the type of player he is. Part of that is also the lack of creativity in our team.

"he should be scoring 25+ goals" Mate our strikers don't even get that many goals how the fuck you want Hazard to get to that amount here ?

"it's not like our tactics have really restrained him because he's been one of the best players in the league for all but one season since he's been here."

I disagree. How can it not be restraining him when we play with so many defensive players, so many average players in such a pragmatic system ? 

The fact that he's been one of the best players in the league playing in such conditions is testament to his quality imo.

 

It's embarrassing for the club imo. We could have built something great here with Hazard, adding several other quality players instead we decided to waste it and to simply get the bare minimum of quality necessary to challenge.