🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[LAM09 7,051]

For an unselfish winger that's a very good return.

I presume only 3 assists is solely down to his supporting cast as well? 

 

 

 

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

40 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

I presume only 3 assists is solely down to his supporting cast as well? 

 

 

 

Assists can go either way. David Silva and Ozil have had seasons or have gone stretches with very low assists. Iniesta barely has any assists even in his best seasons but no one can doubt his creative output. It's not really the best reflection of creativity because you are dependent on your teammates actually scoring from your passing.

That's why nowadays football people tend to look at "chances created" which is basically a pass that leads to a goal scoring opportunity/ and "key passes" which in an amalgamation of created chances and assists. Neverthless Hazard does have 11 assists this season in all competitions which is the joint 1st highest in our team (with Willian). 

[Tomo 21,751]

6 hours ago, DDA said:

I can unserstand people defending his ability but to defend his performances this season is madness. I guess if you feel completing 3 out of 6 backheels on the spin is an acheivement.. then yh he has been immense.

All season? Bit late for an April fools joke.

From his return from injury upto early December he was arguably in the best form of his whole career, he was 10/10 against Atletico twice, Roma and United, was excellent at Anfield alongside games like WBA, Qarabag, Newcastle. December and January he wasn't as good as previous months but still pretty good, since then admittedly for his standards he has been off, but yesterday he still created more chances than the rest of the team put together and if you could find stats for who has created the most chances since February i bet he will be top 5, minimum top 10 despite a little dip.

[LAM09 7,051]

13 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Assists can go either way. David Silva and Ozil have had seasons or have gone stretches with very low assists. Iniesta barely has any assists even in his best seasons but no one can doubt his creative output. It's not really the best reflection of creativity because you are dependent on your teammates actually scoring from your passing.

That's why nowadays football people tend to look at "chances created" which is basically a pass that leads to a goal scoring opportunity/ and "key passes" which in an amalgamation of created chances and assists. Neverthless Hazard does have 10 assists this season in all competitions which is the joint 1st highest in our team (with Willian). 

We're at a point where people are just defending him regardless of his lack of contribution in umpteenth games that have a notable significance to others. I'd loved to see those two stats in regards to our games against Barcelona, City, Utd, Arsenal & Tottenham. These are the games where he is supposed to be showing the drastic difference in class amongst our squad, let alone the best in European football.

Getting tired of hearing the same things from certain individuals about him deserving better, too good for the club or being exempt from criticism.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

30 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Assists can go either way. David Silva and Ozil have had seasons or have gone stretches with very low assists. Iniesta barely has any assists even in his best seasons but no one can doubt his creative output. It's not really the best reflection of creativity because you are dependent on your teammates actually scoring from your passing.

That's why nowadays football people tend to look at "chances created" which is basically a pass that leads to a goal scoring opportunity/ and "key passes" which in an amalgamation of created chances and assists. Neverthless Hazard does have 11 assists this season in all competitions which is the joint 1st highest in our team (with Willian). 

What do you mean?

De Bruyne in the Premier League:

17-18: 14 assists and counting

16-17: 21 assists

De Bruyne in the Bundes Liga:

14-15: 21 assists

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

13 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

We're at a point where people are just defending him regardless of his lack of contribution in umpteenth games that have a notable significance to others. I'd loved to see those two stats in regards to our games against Barcelona, City, Utd, Arsenal & Tottenham. These are the games where he is supposed to be showing the drastic difference in class amongst our squad, let alone the best in European football.

Getting tired of hearing the same things from certain individuals about him deserving better, too good for the club or being exempt from criticism.

Let's be honest the platform just isn't there for him to be there all the time in big games both in terms of his teammates and the brand of football which inhibits him (Not just him but his teammates as well). How many memorable European performances have any of our attacking players in the post 2012 era had in the CL other than Willian's recently? It's few and far between and the reasons for that are pretty obvious, at least to me.

Still Hazard has already shown his mettle in big games despite all of the above:

 

Let's not pretend like none of these things happened.

[DDA 9,938]

33 minutes ago, Tomo said:

From his return from injury upto early December he was arguably in the best form of his whole career,

You are being sarcastic right?

[Alabama 1,992]

Madrid please just splash your cash and deliver us from this dilemma...at this point I don't even think Madrid will consider signing him when ruthless attacking players like Neymar and Salah are quite available....so Hazard fans can fuck off and follow him to Madrid... Guys talking as if without him we will be in 19th position when he is been anonymous virtually all season... 

[Tomo 21,751]

7 minutes ago, DDA said:

You are being sarcastic right?

Are you saying he wasn't fantastic in those above games i mentioned? 

[LAM09 7,051]

3 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Let's be honest the platform just isn't there for him to be there all the time in big games both in terms of his teammates and the brand of football which inhibits him (Not just him but his teammates as well). How many memorable European performances have any of our attacking players in the post 2012 era had in the CL other than Willian's recently? It's few and far between and the reasons for that are pretty obvious, at least to me.

Still Hazard has already shown his mettle in big games despite all of the above:

 

Let's not pretend like none of these things happened.

We have arguably had the same platform since Roman bought the club. Our squad has steadily declined for the most part, so it's of little surprise we aren't/haven't been a presence in Europe.

I'm certainly not underestimating his impact during his time here, but we have to talk about the present. Just have to ask yourself, when does the blame lie with the player?

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

11 hours ago, MCM4PR3Z said:

What do you mean?

De Bruyne in the Premier League:

17-18: 14 assists and counting

16-17: 21 assists

De Bruyne in the Bundes Liga:

14-15: 21 assists

Who mentioned De Bruyne are you blind? De Bruyne takes set pieces for his team which factors into assists. Players like Lampard, Beckham, Leighton Baines and Gerrard had more assists than the likes of Zidane, Xavi, Iniesta, Silva and Pirlo but I don't believe they're more creative players, they were great set piece takers and good playmakers but they weren't great playmakers like those other names.

When Hazard was given the set piece duties for Lille his assists numbers blew up. I don't like these sort of debates because its me arguing with people who don't know much about the game and its a waste of time. 

[Tomo 21,751]

26 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

We're at a point where people are just defending him regardless of his lack of contribution in umpteenth games that have a notable significance to others. I'd loved to see those two stats in regards to our games against Barcelona, City, Utd, Arsenal & Tottenham. These are the games where he is supposed to be showing the drastic difference in class amongst our squad, let alone the best in European football.

Getting tired of hearing the same things from certain individuals about him deserving better, too good for the club or being exempt from criticism.

No one's saying he's excempt from criticism, but when he's getting criticised for not doing enough after games he created more chances than the rest of the team put together and he's getting talked about like he's SWP then it gets to beyond ridiculous territotry.

Like i have already said no other club in the world seem so intent on playing down their best players like this.

[LAM09 7,051]

No one's saying he's excempt from criticism, but when he's getting criticised for not doing enough after games he created more chances than the rest of the team put together and he's getting talked about like he's SWP then it gets to beyond ridiculous territotry.
Like i have already said no other club in the world seem so intent on playing down their best players like this.

Read my reply above about those stats in significant games and I'll rethink my argument. 45 chances created against WBA & 5 over two legs against Barca would emphasize my point even more (figuratively speaking).

I presume you never heard Madrid fans slate Ronaldo for his poor end to 2017.

[DDA 9,938]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

Are you saying he wasn't fantastic in those above games i mentioned? 

Yh he has been good in a handfull of games. We are talking about a player who has the ability to become the very best in the World. He should be 10/10 in every game and when having a 8-9/10 game, he should still be winning the game for us. 

[DDA 9,938]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

No one's saying he's excempt from criticism, but when he's getting criticised for not doing enough after games he created more chances than the rest of the team put together and he's getting talked about like he's SWP then it gets to beyond ridiculous territotry.

Like i have already said no other club in the world seem so intent on playing down their best players like this.

The Madristas boo Ronaldo bro. Our criticism of Eden not doing enough to warrant the heaps of endless praise he gets from the fans is fuck all in comparison.

[Tomo 21,751]

7 minutes ago, DDA said:

Yh he has been good in a handfull of games. We are talking about a player who has the ability to become the very best in the World. He should be 10/10 in every game and when having a 8-9/10 game, he should still be winning the game for us. 

Those games in a long period is enough to disprove he's had a shit season.

6 minutes ago, DDA said:

The Madristas boo Ronaldo bro. Our criticism of Eden not doing enough to warrant the heaps of endless praise he gets from the fans is fuck all in comparison.

I forgot about Madrid, but in general the best players never divide fanbases to this extent.

[Tomo 21,751]

26 minutes ago, Mana said:

And let's not pretend he only scored 1 goal (penalty) against top 6 this season AND let's not pretend that freaking tweet is old and no longer 1st (or 2nd) place.

He scored at The Emirates again a few weeks later.

He's been good in lots of big games this season. Leti twice, Roma, United, Liverpool and he only scored in one of those games. Hazard doesn't have to score or assist to have god like games.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

7 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Who mentioned De Bruyne are you blind? De Bruyne takes set pieces for his team which factors into assists. Players like Lampard, Beckham, Leighton Baines and Gerrard had more assists than the likes of Zidane, Xavi, Iniesta, Silva and Pirlo but I don't believe they're more creative players, they were great set piece takers and good playmakers but they weren't great playmakers like those other names.

What are you talking about? When Hazard was given the set piece duties for Lille his assists numbers blew up. I don't like these sort of debates because its me arguing with people who don't know much about the game and its a waste of time. 

Then you have the same opinion as me

[Thor 2,702]

6 hours ago, Tomo said:

He scored at The Emirates again a few weeks later.

He's been good in lots of big games this season. Leti twice, Roma, United, Liverpool and he only scored in one of those games. Hazard doesn't have to score or assist to have god like games.

People just don't get this anymore. Football is becoming infested with stat nerds now instead of folks actually focusing on what is going on in the game. Iniesta and Figo are average players going by stats. Guess most would rather have Mahrez aye? 

[manpe 10,861]

57 minutes ago, Thor said:

Football is becoming infested with stat nerds now instead of folks actually focusing on what is going on in the game.

THIS! WORD!

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