🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[Beigl 1,387]

I know he will largely avoid criticism from here, but his performance was utterly dreadful. And please don´t blame Willian, Pedro, Conte or someone else for his performance. He is the player who is supposed to step up for others, but today he was nowhere to be seen from the start. 

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

He didn't play well at all, actually was very poor but he plays well like 95% of the time. Hazard is the least of our concerns right now. 

[LAM09 7,093]

These are the games he's supposed to standout and drag the team through. Disinterested the entire game

[Georgy 439]

Good luck at Madrid, Eden. May your wishes about playing with 10 teammates become reality.

[The Skipper 20,609]

He’d be a fool to sign a new contract. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

He’d be a fool to sign a new contract. 

Can see where you're coming from but you want the club to sign the best players and yet here you are insinuating he shouldn't stay here long term. Contradiction.

[The Skipper 20,609]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Can see where you're coming from but you want the club to sign the best players and yet here you are insinuating he shouldn't stay here long term. Contradiction.

Of course I’d personally like him to stay at Chelsea but from Eden’s perspective I’d be thinking about leaving because the club’s lost ambition big time. 

He’d be a fool, but he’d be my fool. 

[OneMoSalah 9,108]

Dreadful. Thought he was one of the worst players on the park. Although most of our team could have been up for that award. 

What worried me more was in the last 20 minutes he was up against tired defenders who had thrown a lot into the match he should be smelling blood and going for them, he has all the ability in the world but for someone who continues to say he wants to be a Ronaldo/Messi sort of player deciding games every week, this is maybe why he won’t(hard level to reach anyway but even then look at Neymar?), they would be up against those guys and taking them out to create something or trying to even make stuff happen. He just didn’t want to do anything and it’s not like we’ve never seen this before, fair enough one match but he’s a senior player now and a leader for me, he can do so much better even playing half arsed. Everyone could.

[Leif 6,006]

He wasn't good, and that's being said after the game. Good. But the idea along the lines of, 'How come Hazard always escapes fire when we play shit!?!?!?' is stupid. If a player is generally your best player for 7 or 8 out of 10 games, you don't give him the same smacking as the players who go missing 8 out of 10 games, do you? Why would you do that? It isn't 'fair'.

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, Leif said:

He wasn't good, and that's being said after the game. Good. But the idea along the lines of, 'How come Hazard always escapes fire when we play shit!?!?!?' is stupid. If a player is generally your best player for 7 or 8 out of 10 games, you don't give him the same smacking as the players who go missing 8 out of 10 games, do you? Why would you do that? It isn't 'fair'.

He very rarely actually has bad games, or even average one's, his run of form in the Jose meltdown period was an anomaly, and even then he wasn't as bad as made out. Most games when people think he is underwhelming he is still creating chances and making the team tick and doing the stuff no one really notices.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

He very rarely actually has bad games, or even average one's, his run of form in the Jose meltdown period was an anomaly, and even then he wasn't as bad as made out. Most games when people think he is underwhelming he is still creating chances and making the team tick and doing the stuff no one really notices.

Sounds like Willian, and he is being mercilessly attacked right now.

[Jase 43,479]

20 hours ago, The Skipper said:

Of course I’d personally like him to stay at Chelsea but from Eden’s perspective I’d be thinking about leaving because the club’s lost ambition big time. 

He’d be a fool, but he’d be my fool. 

I get what you're saying but the more you and others mention this, the more it feels like you all want the club to fail. And if you're gonna say about Hazard, then you should apply that on the other good players we have at the club as well. Let's hope they all see the light and leave the club in the summer.

[The Skipper 20,609]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

I get what you're saying but the more you and others mention this, the more it feels like you all want the club to fail. And if you're gonna say about Hazard, then you should apply that on the other good players we have at the club as well. Let's hope they all see the light and leave the club in the summer.

It’s a different case with Eden who is by far the most talented at the club. Only player at the club that has Ballon D’Or level talent. 

I obviously don’t want the club to fail Jason. Just that if I were in Eden’s shoes and had his ambition - I would think twice about signing, or as I’ve mentioned before in this very thread I would demand that the club improve the squad properly to match that ambition. The club’s going downhill. Recognising and acknowledging that does not mean I want to see CFC fail. 

[Jase 43,479]

6 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

It’s a different case with Eden who is by far the most talented at the club. Only player at the club that has Ballon D’Or level talent.

Why must that be the case? Why must it be Hazard just because he's the most talented one around? Are you saying he's the only one who should have bigger ambition?

[The Skipper 20,609]

4 hours ago, Jason said:

Why must that be the case? Why must it be Hazard just because he's the most talented one around? Are you saying he's the only one who should have bigger ambition?

Because he’s the only talent that has Ballon d’Or level talent, and if he was serious about winning it or even challenging then it probably ain’t happening at CFC. That’s my entire point. The best want to be with the best no? 

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

41 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Because he’s the only talent that has Ballon d’Or level talent, and if he was serious about winning it or even challenging then it probably ain’t happening at CFC. That’s my entire point. The best want to be with the best no? 

Apparently not Neymar.

[The Skipper 20,609]

11 minutes ago, NiclasCFC said:

Apparently not Neymar.

PSG are better than us. 

 

[OneMoSalah 9,108]

 

7 hours ago, The Skipper said:

It’s a different case with Eden who is by far the most talented at the club. Only player at the club that has Ballon D’Or level talent. 

I obviously don’t want the club to fail Jason. Just that if I were in Eden’s shoes and had his ambition - I would think twice about signing, or as I’ve mentioned before in this very thread I would demand that the club improve the squad properly to match that ambition. The club’s going downhill. Recognising and acknowledging that does not mean I want to see CFC fail. 

I don’t get the first bit. He has one dreadful game, you’ve said nothing about his performance... hinting he should look to leave? Or as you put it “he would be a fool to sign a new contract”, what!?!? What a load of shite. The team is built around him, has been for years, he has a shocker and your talking about him having bigger ambitions? A lot of people mention Eden and Ballon d’Or but I’m sure we would rather see the club win titles than him win an individual award, he’s probably the same.

Also he’s at the stage where if he is going to ever win the Ballon d’Or ahead of a Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar he’s going to have score 30+ a season and I honestly cannot see him doing that because he isn’t selfish enough as a player so to speak.  Ronaldo and Messi won’t go on forever but they will still be huge players in 2 or 3 years when Edens heading towards his late 20s. They are untouchables for me. 

 

17 hours ago, Leif said:

He wasn't good, and that's being said after the game. Good. But the idea along the lines of, 'How come Hazard always escapes fire when we play shit!?!?!?' is stupid. If a player is generally your best player for 7 or 8 out of 10 games, you don't give him the same smacking as the players who go missing 8 out of 10 games, do you? Why would you do that? It isn't 'fair'.

Every player should be held to the same standards of criticism or praise regardless of if there Eden Hazard or not: if people are willing to criticize Willian, Pedro, Batshuayi, Cahill, Moses then it’s only right that they understand when people criticize Hazard, Azpilicueta, David Luiz etc in the same manner if it’s appropriate. Or praise them when they do well.

Not aimed towards you Leif, just a general post but there are a lot of double standards when it comes to some players at the club. Eden has avoided a lot of criticism because he’s played well or been the sort of go to guy when the teams looked poor but his performance against Palace was as bad as anything I’ve ever seen from Willian or Pedro in the last few years, purely for a lack of effort more than anything else. For somebody who’s reportedly going to be getting offered a deal worth 300k a week, more than anybody in else in the PL, you don’t expect to see a lack of effort, let alone a lack of effort and extremely poor performance combined.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

4 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

 

I don’t get the first bit. He has one dreadful game, you’ve said nothing about his performance... hinting he should look to leave? Or as you put it “he would be a fool to sign a new contract”, what!?!? What a load of shite. The team is built around him, has been for years, he has a shocker and your talking about him having bigger ambitions? A lot of people mention Eden and Ballon d’Or but I’m sure we would rather see the club win titles than him win an individual award, he’s probably the same.

Also he’s at the stage where if he is going to ever win the Ballon d’Or ahead of a Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar he’s going to have score 30+ a season and I honestly cannot see him doing that because he isn’t selfish enough as a player so to speak.  Ronaldo and Messi won’t go on forever but they will still be huge players in 2 or 3 years when Edens heading towards his late 20s. They are untouchables for me. 

 

Every player should be held to the same standards of criticism or praise regardless of if there Eden Hazard or not: if people are willing to criticize Willian, Pedro, Batshuayi, Cahill, Moses then it’s only right that they understand when people criticize Hazard, Azpilicueta, David Luiz etc in the same manner if it’s appropriate. Or praise them when they do well.

Not aimed towards you Leif, just a general post but there are a lot of double standards when it comes to some players at the club. Eden has avoided a lot of criticism because he’s played well or been the sort of go to guy when the teams looked poor but his performance against Palace was as bad as anything I’ve ever seen from Willian or Pedro in the last few years, purely for a lack of effort more than anything else. For somebody who’s reportedly going to be getting offered a deal worth 300k a week, more than anybody in else in the PL, you don’t expect to see a lack of effort, let alone a lack of effort and extremely poor performance combined.

Skipper's comment was about more then just the Crystal Palace game. There's a lack of ambition from the club to really add quality and improve the squad.

The last couple of years we've been content with just replacing the players we lost and not really pushing for more and better players.

There are simply too many average players in the squad who need to perform at, or close to, a 100% of their capacity to not look out of place in this team.

There's an over reliance on our key players. Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, all three can play like shit and 9 out of 10 times their team will still dominate whoever they play.

When Hazard plays poor the drop in our attack is worrying. 

 

I don't really get a "built around him" vibe more like a "let's see how far he can take us" vibe

 

Yes and no. When it comes to rating a single performance then yes ofcourse there should be just 1 standard and there is. It's been acknowledged that Hazard Azpi and Luiz had poor games just as most of the team did.

However past performances do matter. If a player plays like shit for 4 out of 4 games and the fifth game he plays like shit again people will be a lot less forgiving then a player that plays well for 4 out of 4 games and then the fifth has a shit one.

People evaluate players based on a number of games and not just one. 

 

I didn't see a lack of effort from him. Things just didn't come off for him. He was simply poor. It happens.

[quickpassnmove 924]

Hazard has been at CFC for how long now? What has been built around him from CM and left back to the attackers up top?  He's had two or three other players close to his level while playing for us if you exclude Drogba's return, Lampard's final years, and the recent addition of Morata: Diego, Cesc and maybe the cast-off KDB. What else have Chelsea done to add quality to the squad around Eden in 5-6 years? Nothing.