David Luiz

[didierforever 7,349]

Maybe we should sell all our players and buy Borussia team, they were the CL finalists afterall.

do we need to? as i said, luiz is not ir-replacable, infact far far far from it. plus 35 mil which has to be at least double of his worth offer comes then why not???

also BVB were finalists cos of a reason. their defence is better than ours, their striker is miles ahead of any thing we can throw, plus their pivot bender/gundogan/sahin is another level compared to ours (rambo/lamps/mikel). the only area we beat them in a player on player comparision is AMs and GK. anyways getting too deviated from the topic. the point is.was could we have done without luiz but plus 35 mil this window... DEFINITELY.

[Dion 2,476]

do we need to? as i said, luiz is not ir-replacable, infact far far far from it. plus 35 mil which has to be at least double of his worth offer comes then why not???

also BVB were finalists cos of a reason. their defence is better than ours, their striker is miles ahead of any thing we can throw, plus their pivot bender/gundogan/sahin is another level compared to ours (rambo/lamps/mikel). the only area we beat them in a player on player comparision is AMs and GK. anyways getting too deviated from the topic. the point is.was could we have done without luiz but plus 35 mil this window... DEFINITELY.

No, the point is we cannot say Borussia players are better because they were the finalists. Their defence was indeed better in last year's CL, but you can't say they defended better because Hummels or Subotic are better than D. Luiz, their whole defensive system was better. It's just stupid and unfair to say we should buy them because they were CL finalists, that means shit for the comparison between them.

[didierforever 7,349]

Thiago Silva & David Luiz.

David Luiz is keeping Dante (yes, Dante who starts for the CL champions, and is their best CB) out of the Brazil team. Open your eyes.

the only reason dante is playing is cos, BADSTUBER is gone for long.. (probably his carrer is gone.) and they dont have a bettr replacement. dante is no whre near WC. i mean WC class is vidic in his prime or JT in his prime.

i dint think dante is anywhere near that level.

[didierforever 7,349]

No, the point is we cannot say Borussia players are better because they were the finalists. Their defence was indeed better in last year's CL, but you can't say they defended better because Hummels or Subotic are better than D. Luiz, their whole defensive system was better. It's just stupid and unfair to say we should buy them because they were CL finalists, that means shit for the comparison between them.

do they make stupid mistakes and give away amateurish goals, no they dont. thats all my point ever was. luiz is a liabitlty as much as he is an asset.

also i dint say we should buy them only cos they were CL finalist. if u actually saw BVB play, u would know how goood they really are.

[zolayes 14,489]

well, u wanted DD to be sold (even joking about such a thing is considered BLASPHEMY in my mind), so i introduced a bit of an exagerration .

NO I asked you IF we should have sold Drogba ...

[Dion 2,476]

do they make stupid mistakes and give away amateurish goals, no they dont. thats all my point ever was. luiz is a liabitlty as much as he is an asset.

also i dint say we should buy them only cos they were CL finalist. if u actually saw BVB play, u would know how goood they really are.

It was pretty much your point to me at least. You said they were CL finalists and were the better CB pair in the world. Also, it amuses me that you say Luiz is a liability and makes stupid mistakes yet you say if I watched BVB play I would know how good Subotic and Hummels are, because they have had a lot of terrible performances not long ago.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

He has had a poor start in the league. He's only had 2 tackles in 4 games compared to 12 fouls committed. He's won 52% of his duels which compares poorly to Terry's 69% and Cahill 79%. He's been dribbled by the other team 5 times in 4 games. Cahill and Terry have been dribbled by a combined 4 times in 12 games. He's won a total of 3 headers. Cahill has won 18. Terry has won 31. That is an insane difference. Terry has 59 clearances, Cahill has 21 and Luiz has 11. Across the board, his numbers have stunk this year. Squwaka and whoscored both have Luiz as easily our worst defender in the league this season and our worst or second worst player overall along with Torres. And yes, numbers can be misleading but when they're that bad (Wilian has as many tackles as Luiz..., 3 won headers in 4 games for a 6 foot 2 central defender?? That's embarrassing ) there's really no argument.

That said, we've seen enough of Luiz over the years to know that he is a very good defender (and he's been very good in the CL so far) and a poor few games isn't going to change that. People always tend to overreact to a bad stretch of games when you have a vastly more important sample size that says something else. He should probably sit next game but Chelsea is generally a better team when he's in the starting XI.

That's all very well, mate, but this isn't baseball; stats can't tell the whole story. The reason why his numbers look bad compared to JT and Cahill is that whenever he's played, David has been given a different role than them. He's been given the freedom to leave the back four and pressure the opponents higher and attempt to intercept the ball. The last line of defense will always have the best tackle% because the opposition player will have much less space in and around the box than 20-30 meters away from goal where Luiz is doing most of his defending. They'll also of course have much more clearances. But can you tell me how many interceptions does Luiz have as compared to the other two?

I agree about the aerial duels, though. I think he's been bad in that aspect which has always been his weak point. Which is why JT is always the one that steps-up to head long balls when Luiz is next to him. Those squawka and whoscored rating mean absolutely nothing because they are based on dry statistics. I've watched Luiz against Everton, Norwich, Tottenham..etc and saw that he had some great performances. He did incredible well in reading the game and anticipating plays and snuffing out the danger before it happens. But in Squawka, a missed pass from the opposition that finds it's way to your feet is the same as anticipating a crucial pass on a counter and making a 20 feet sprint to cut it out before it reaches it's target.

[didierforever 7,349]

So the bad pass from Cech is ignored, the mis-control from Ramires is ignored, the fact that JT lost his man and left Ivanovic with even more on his plate is ignored... It was a bad team goal, and it really is ridiculous to blame the whole goal on Luiz. You obviously have some sort of hatred for him.

Bollocks, sorry. Okay in the last few games Luiz could've done better but before that you're going to have to go a long way back before finding Luiz gifting the opposition goals. If Luiz was such a liability and if he was so bad today why didn't Jose take him off? Why didn't Jose just shift Ivanovic to CB and throw on Azpilicueta? Why did Benitez say Luiz is one of the best CBs in the world?

It doesn't make sense, sorry. If Hummels and Subotic were really available for that much (which I highly doubt to begin with, I don't even know how you could even suggest that you'd want Hummels to replace Luiz when he is even more "error prone" and goal gifting) then why didn't Barcelona just go for one of them instead of trying to go for Luiz?

Your hatred for Luiz is just ridiculous tbh.

u r blaming JT for leaving iva to cover 2 men, when that is wher LUIZ played his horrendous part of the mistake. a mis-control is a mistake but very different from what luiz did. he literally went out of position and then stood their ball-watching. also it was never JT's man. naismith just ran into the space that luiz left between JT and iVA. iva tried to compensate for that by moving towars JT but it was a good crooss to JELAVIC on the far post and iva was caight in no man's land. here the most avoidable part of the whole chain reaction is LUIZ out of position and then ball-watching.

i dont know why JOSE dint take DL or IVA out today., just like i dont know why he insists on playing iva ahead of azpi. from what i saw, DL was the worst player on the pitch for us. also i would have subbed DL after the 1st half and brought on GC but probably jose wanted to save his subs for what he actaully did, take out a defender, get a goal and then put a defender in again. its all just ifs.

i dont know why barca sold villa for 2 mil, or brought sanchez for 40mil, or bought ibra for 65 mil and then sell him for peanuts or for that matter why we bought torres for 50 mil. barca's transfer policy seems to be hopeless to me, probably that is the reason.

your love for luiz is blinding u.

[didierforever 7,349]

NO I asked you IF we should have sold Drogba ...

nope. i would have seen IF he repeated it again.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

do they make stupid mistakes and give away amateurish goals,

Have you seen Hummels play?!

[didierforever 7,349]

It was pretty much your point to me at least. You said they were CL finalists and were the better CB pair in the world. Also, it amuses me that you say Luiz is a liability and makes stupid mistakes yet you say if I watched BVB play I would know how good Subotic and Hummels are, because they have had a lot of terrible performances not long ago.

one goal against RM by hummels is not a LOT. also subotic has GOT TO BE one of the best CBs in the world right now without a doubt. cant say the same for hummels.

i tolf u those above things cos u said DL has OUTPLAYED them for the last year, which is well hilarious to say the least.

[didierforever 7,349]

Have you seen Hummels play?!

i concede on hummels. he is error prone. also people should stop making mountain out of mole hills here.

all i wanted to say is said we could have bought 2 WC center-backs with 35mil. the first example that came to my mind was hummels-subotic (as they were , for me, the best CB pairing last season). but people have discarded all the other iportant points that i made before and after but have concentrated on these 2 names for some weird reason

(who were just instinctive names).

[zolayes 14,489]

nope. i would have seen IF he repeated it again.

one CL THROWN away not enough ???????

[JDY 1,290]

It's Thiago Silva & Luiz simply because their styles compliment eachother. T.Silva and Dante are at their best as reactive CBs partnered with Luiz the aggressor. It's more a case of Silva or Dante than Dante or Luiz IMO.

[didierforever 7,349]

one CL THROWN away not enough ???????

sometimes u have to trust and put your faith in something. and DD repayed it. u dont chuck out people just cos of one mistake how ever big. also since u have deviated from luiz's "mistakes" to DD's slap, then next on the list should be JT since he also missed a pen (another mistake).

the comparision are not the same. DD made a human error. he did something stupid. one-thing stupid and i a, sure he regrets it more than any of us. DD dint do it again. luz in the other hand makes amateurish mistakes in the game and it seems after a long- spell, he is returning to that error prone self again.