🇧🇷 David Luiz

[Jase 43,479]

20 minutes ago, Stats said:

But do our other options give you that defensive solidarity?

No but Luiz doesn't give that either. 

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16 minutes ago, Robchels said:

The solid England cbs rarely made mistakes in the many WCs I’ve watched. They were still beaten and goals scored against their teams. The importance of solidity is misrepresented esp these days where most teams employ a variation of total football of the past.

Sorry, but I just can’t see how losing another important player during the window we can’t sign players as a positive esp considering we are in the UCL.

Not a fan of having to sell someone at this point either and certainly not to a direct rival. But Luiz has decided to throw the toys out of the pram rather than trying to fight for his spot, forcing us to sell him. 

[LAM09 7,054]

He is the only real leader from the back too. I don't see any sense in this at all.

We have no leaders when times get tough. One thing we've been sorely lacking since the core left/retired.

[Tomo 21,751]

7 minutes ago, Stats said:

 

He will defo Improve that Arsenal defence imo. Time will tell, but I think they will finish above both us and United. Luiz strengthens them. He is better than all their current CB and will also help create chances for their attack. Even if he may not be Lamps first choice, he would get a lot of games and under no circumstances, should we be selling him to a PL rival. Not like this was a Mata situation where we got a lot of money at time. Think we will regret this but time will tell.

I disagree, Luiz is the type of player you add to an already solid defense not to try and fix a weak one. 

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

No but Luiz doesn't give that either. 

We kept the most amount of clean sheets in the league after the two best teams. Luiz was in the team for the majority of that. He has errors but he also has games where he is sold and looks the part. Last season included. We kept 16 clean sheets in the league IIRC. Now one of the defensive duo who played in that team, we are giving to the team who finished below us. Why should we be giving him to Arsenal? Suits the way they are trying to play from out the back, and also adds quality that they need. For a team who desperately needed a CB apparently on a limited buget, they have got a really good deal.

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18 minutes ago, Stats said:

 

He will defo Improve that Arsenal defence imo. Time will tell, but I think they will finish above both us and United. Luiz strengthens them. He is better than all their current CB and will also help create chances for their attack. Even if he may not be Lamps first choice, he would get a lot of games and under no circumstances, should we be selling him to a PL rival. Not like this was a Mata situation where we got a lot of money at time. Think we will regret this but time will tell.

Arsenal just lost their captain, the guy who organised their defence for seasons, when they could actually have their defence considered meh. They have no leaders at CB. Luiz is hardly a leader either. He captained Brazil in 1 WC game when Thiago Silva wasnt there and look how that went, the guy was exiled from the NT for about 3 years. Cant wait to see him and Mustafi trying to organise their back 4 while Granit Xhaka captains them. 

Arsenal will finish above us maybe I dont doubt that because theyve got that many match winners in attack but they need to sort out their defence to do anything other than fight for top 4, Luiz isnt the answer but we should be biting their hand off. Rudiger, Zouma, Christensen and Tomori wont offer the same on the ball but other than Tomori who is untested in the PL, those 3 have more than enough to be relied on.

His best football came in a back 3 for us when he played in the middle, where he was more reactive than proactive compared to the wider CBs. 

 

[Pizy 18,909]

What will be kinda funny and pathetic is all the Arse fans who were shitting and clowning on Luiz as late as this morning suddenly hyping him up as a fantastic signing.

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Just now, Stats said:

We kept the most amount of clean sheets in the league after the two best teams. Luiz was in the team for the majority of that. He has errors but he also has games where he is sold and looks the part. Last season included. We kept 16 clean sheets in the league IIRC.

But he is not the MAIN reason we kept that amount. He was also part of some defensive horror shows.

Just now, Stats said:

Now one of the defensive duo who played in that team, we are giving to the team who finished below us. Why should we be giving him to Arsenal? Suits the way they are trying to play from out the back, and also adds quality that they need. For a team who desperately needed a CB apparently on a limited buget, they have got a really good deal.

Don't think any of us wants the club to sell Luiz to Arsenal. But he's thrown his toys out of the pram and wants to go to them because they're the only club who have shown interest. He could have chosen to stay and fight for his place considering we will be playing in 4 competitions but nope, he chose not to.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

He went from loving the return of Lampard to not loving it really fast. That doesn't seem very stable.

[Superblue 6,372]

Well this certainly spiced up the end of the window for us Chelsea fans!

I have to say first on this matter that I'm really disappointed with David Luiz if reports are true with regards to how this has played out. Last summer he wasn't wanted by Sarri and knuckled down and fought for his place in the team. I can only assume that either he's not as confident this season with the current crop of centre backs or Lampard has made it crystal clear that he would be 3rd or 4th choice. As an experienced player and having signed a contract above the usual terms the club give, he really should have given us this coming season and either requested to leave in January or next summer. Terry and Cahill both did the same on their way out, and were very much dignified and professional in what would have been difficult circumstances for both. 

I think the biggest thing we would be losing in Luiz well beyond his ball playing ability is a big influential leader and character, not just on the pitch but just as vitally off the pitch. This is where the likes of Cahill and Terry were still able to contribute even when not playing and having lost in recent months the likes of Hazard, Cahill and Fabregas, it's disappointing to be losing another.

However that can also work the other way. A big influential character in the dressing room that's unhappy could have huge ramifications, especially on a much younger group of players that we now have. That's why I think we simply have to let him go. Unfortunately it probably will improve Arsenal to a degree (although he will lack the quality of players around, behind and in front of him that he's enjoyed at Chelsea in my opinion) but it is a short term move on their behalf. I do think we're currently very much in rebuild mode where top 4 would be an excellent season but top 6 is probably more realistic. We still have a centre back group that is still comfortably better than United and Arsenal in my opinion, let's roll with it. If Lampard has reviewed his squad and decided to place faith in the centre backs he views as more defensively solid then this decision is entirely justified.

I think Lampard will come out of this situation pretty well too. He's shown that he won't be influenced by previous regimes or favour previous team mates and experienced players. It also shows a ruthless streak that should be commended. He came back and made it clear he wanted a group pulling in the same direction and that wanted to play for the club. Actions always speak louder than words, and if he lets Luiz leave he has just offered proof of that.

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

If things don't go peachy for him at Arsenal, he could go off the rails there too. Hehehe, this could be the best trade sabotage evah!

Probably too much to hope for!

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Arsenal just lost their captain, the guy who organised their defence for seasons, when they could actually have their defence considered meh. They have no leaders at CB. Luiz is hardly a leader either. He captained Brazil in 1 WC game when Thiago Silva wasnt there and look how that went, the guy was exiled from the NT for about 3 years. Cant wait to see him and Mustafi trying to organise their back 4 while Granit Xhaka captains them. 

Arsenal will finish above us maybe I dont doubt that because theyve got that many match winners in attack but they need to sort out their defence to do anything other than fight for top 4, Luiz isnt the answer but we should be biting their hand off. Rudiger, Zouma, Christensen and Tomori wont offer the same on the ball but other than Tomori who is untested in the PL, those 3 have more than enough to be relied on.

His best football came in a back 3 for us when he played in the middle, where he was more reactive than proactive compared to the wider CBs. 

 

Well I think we are a lot weaker with him gone. He may not be John Terry leadership but he was a good enough leader for me. Dictates the tempo of the match along with Jorginho. Also even in penalty shoot outs etc, he is ever so reliable. May be underestimated, but imo that is more proof of his leadership. When pressure is on he does not hide.

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7 minutes ago, Stats said:

Well I think we are a lot weaker with him gone. He may not be John Terry leadership but he was a good enough leader for me. Dictates the tempo of the match along with Jorginho. Also even in penalty shoot outs etc, he is ever so reliable. May be underestimated, but imo that is more proof of his leadership. When pressure is on he does not hide.

Yeah. The dictating tempo bit is often forgotten: in possession systems, it is defending.

if we are going away from a possession system, I will see what the fuck will Jorginho do? 

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[1905didierblue 748]

Good riddance. Shit player, can go and fuck over arsenal now. 

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10 hours ago, the wes said:

Love the club lol are we talking about the same fella who celebrated like a crazy man when he scored against us for psg 

and returned in a cut-price deal at the end of a transfer window under Conte

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I am very curious what the series of fallouts were. I think he was told he will be phased out this season

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[OhForAGreavsie 6,074]

7 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Well this certainly spiced up the end of the window for us Chelsea fans!

I have to say first on this matter that I'm really disappointed with David Luiz if reports are true with regards to how this has played out. Last summer he wasn't wanted by Sarri and knuckled down and fought for his place in the team. I can only assume that either he's not as confident this season with the current crop of centre backs or Lampard has made it crystal clear that he would be 3rd or 4th choice. As an experienced player and having signed a contract above the usual terms the club give, he really should have given us this coming season and either requested to leave in January or next summer. Terry and Cahill both did the same on their way out, and were very much dignified and professional in what would have been difficult circumstances for both. 

I think the biggest thing we would be losing in Luiz well beyond his ball playing ability is a big influential leader and character, not just on the pitch but just as vitally off the pitch. This is where the likes of Cahill and Terry were still able to contribute even when not playing and having lost in recent months the likes of Hazard, Cahill and Fabregas, it's disappointing to be losing another.

However that can also work the other way. A big influential character in the dressing room that's unhappy could have huge ramifications, especially on a much younger group of players that we now have. That's why I think we simply have to let him go. Unfortunately it probably will improve Arsenal to a degree (although he will lack the quality of players around, behind and in front of him that he's enjoyed at Chelsea in my opinion) but it is a short term move on their behalf. I do think we're currently very much in rebuild mode where top 4 would be an excellent season but top 6 is probably more realistic. We still have a centre back group that is still comfortably better than United and Arsenal in my opinion, let's roll with it. If Lampard has reviewed his squad and decided to place faith in the centre backs he views as more defensively solid then this decision is entirely justified.

I think Lampard will come out of this situation pretty well too. He's shown that he won't be influenced by previous regimes or favour previous team mates and experienced players. It also shows a ruthless streak that should be commended. He came back and made it clear he wanted a group pulling in the same direction and that wanted to play for the club. Actions always speak louder than words, and if he lets Luiz leave he has just offered proof of that.

 

Top post.

I don't know if it amounts to anything much, but members of the women's squad have spoken very highly of David Luiz. They said he's a great team mate who does more than most to bring the 'one club' ethic to life.

If David has lost his place as an automatic starter, and wants to join a club where he can play, then I have no problem with it. I've never felt that signing for Chelsea Football Club should be a jail sentence, although of course we must negotiate hard to ensure Arsenal pay a premium price. Naturally, David can no longer command the kind of fee he's moved for in the past, but Arsenal's negotiators know they have to pay over the odds to recruit from a direct rival. If they try to pretend that they've forgotten this, I'm sure Marina will remind them.

[Tomo 21,751]

Am i the only one that doesn't really get this "never sell to rival" mentality? I mean for the top/crucial player's and the young lads with potential to hit that level absolutely but anyone below is fair game under the right circumstances for me. People will say "United don't do us a favour back" okay then bid £40m for Smalling and see how long that statement stays true. I remember when the Baka/United rumour surfaced and someone gave me the "we shouldn't help out a rival argument" umm mate that wouldn't be helping them.

I was personally delighted that we got £40m for a heavily declined Matic and i spent a while hoping United were going to give us even more for Willian.