Politics & Stuff

[Vesper 30,270]

16 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Trump War Room (Text TRUMP to 88022) (@TrumpWarRoom) Tweeted:
House Democrats can push their sham impeachment all they want.

President Trump's re-election is 𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲. https://t.co/O7o02S26nS

 

 

 

the director of The Avengers is PISSED

Fuck Rump, that fat orange grifter racist cunt

[Fernando 6,590]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

the director of The Avengers is PISSED

Fuck Rump, that fat orange grifter racist cunt

I thought it was funny. I guess my sense of humor is sick. 

[Vesper 30,270]

8 hours ago, Fernando said:

I thought it was funny. I guess my sense of humor is sick. 

oh, I wasn't having a go at you, lol

sorry if it came off as such

hugzz

[Vesper 30,270]

 

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'Brutal, packed with untruths, uninspiring': European press on UK election

Socialism or Brexit? Britain is divided in two in a ‘Hamlet-like dilemma’, write Europe’s newspapers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/12/brutal-packed-with-untruths-uninsipring-european-press-on-uk-election

[Vesper 30,270]

well, Britain is FUCKED

Brexit in 3,2,1..........

Austerity inbound like an ICBM

BREAKING: BBC exit poll...BoJo 368 majority.

General election: Conservatives predicted to win with commanding majority - exit poll

https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-conservatives-predicted-to-win-with-commanding-majority-exit-poll-11885003

 

[Vesper 30,270]

some good news at least

fucking Lib Dem Tory-bootlicking twats

 

The Liberal Democrat leader, Jo Swinson, looks set to lose her seat, according to the exit poll, as her party faces a dismal showing in the general election.

Swinson is forecast to lose her East Dunbartonshire seat to the SNP, which is predicted to seize 55 of the 59 seats on offer in Scotland.

Though Lib Dem numbers in the Commons swelled before the election to 21, aided by MPs crossing the floor, the exit poll predicts the Lib Dems will win 13 seats – just one more than it did in 2017.

The result represents a significant disappointment for the party, which had pinned its electoral hopes on attracting remain supporters with a pledge to revoke Brexit without a second referendum.

It looks set to be the third-worst performance in party‘s 31-year modern history, following its capitulation from 57 to eight seats in 2015 after the coalition government with the Conservatives and 2017’s modest improvement to 12 elected MPs.

If Swinson does lose her seat she would follow former leader Nick Clegg, who was also booted out by voters in 2017.

[Tomo 21,751]

How anyone has watched/read about Boris Johnson's lies and squirming in recent months and thought he was the right man for five years as priminister beats me. No explicit words can justify what a piece of work that man is.

I genuinely hoped this country wouldn't be that stupid. Boris here, Trump in America, what next Joey Essex leader of the UN? 

[Vesper 30,270]

6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

How anyone has watched/read about Boris Johnson's lies and squirming in recent months and thought he was the right man for five years as priminister beats me. No explicit words can justify what a piece of work that man is.

I genuinely hoped this country wouldn't be that stupid. Boris here, Trump in America what next Joey Essex leader of the UN? 

the yank Democrats are going to fuck about next and blow the election in 2020 to that bloated orange bawbag Trump (or he pulls the ultimate crazy move and declares a national state of emergency and cancels the elections IF he is certain he will lose)

dog help the world IF he does that

every hard power enemy will make moves in the aftermath of that coup d'état

China will move on Taiwan

Turkey will move on expanding their wannabe Caliphate under Erdoğan, they will tear into Syria, and try and kill a million plus Kurds everywhere they find them

Israel and Saudi Arabia will go after Iran, thus kicking of a ME-wide war, dragging the US in, and millions of refugees will spew into the EU

Russia will move on Ukraine far more aggressively

hell, they make a move on the Baltics

NoKo might even go after SoKo

SMDH

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

How anyone has watched/read about Boris Johnson's lies and squirming in recent months and thought he was the right man for five years as priminister beats me. No explicit words can justify what a piece of work that man is.

I genuinely hoped this country wouldn't be that stupid. Boris here, Trump in America what next Joey Essex leader of the UN? 

Fucking joke isn't it Tomo. Have to factor in the Brexit thing. Brexit vote brought about by Johnsons school Bullingdon chum Cameron because he didn't want to lose four MPs to UKIP. Johnson who thought it was a 'jolly wheeze' at Eton to burn £50 notes in front of the homeless. Johnson who called black people 'Picaninees, with water melon smiles'

Brexit has now become the Utopia for Britains working class. The sunlit uplands with unicorns. Its like the Lou and Andy Little Britain sketch -'want that one', 'want that one'. Like a child who keeps wanting some fancy wrapped chocolates, but it's actually dog shit, they've been told its dog shit, but they still want it. I fucking despair.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

I'm totally devastated it feels like as if Chelsea have lost 6-0 to Spurs in the champions league final. Labour losing all their seats to the Tories so how people voted for Corbyn in 2017 and yesterday Johnson is beyond me. The tories will now inflict the most draconian measures upon the country and will be unopposed in doing so it's fucking depressing. When you have such a terrible campaign as they did and they still win by 80 seats it's actually terrifying for future elections god help the young they'll have to live with this calamity for decades.

[Vesper 30,270]

1 hour ago, Iggy Doonican said:

I'm totally devastated it feels like as if Chelsea have lost 6-0 to Spurs in the champions league final. Labour losing all their seats to the Tories so how people voted for Corbyn in 2017 and yesterday Johnson is beyond me. The tories will now inflict the most draconian measures upon the country and will be unopposed in doing so it's fucking depressing. When you have such a terrible campaign as they did and they still win by 80 seats it's actually terrifying for future elections god help the young they'll have to live with this calamity for decades.

I lost my Labour MP in Kensington,  Emma Dent Coad. She won by 20 votes in 2017 (5 from my family). First time ever that modern constituency was not fucking Tory blue. Now that twat ex Tory Sam Gyimah ran as a Lib Dem on a vanity play and Coad lost by 150 votes.

Those cunt Lib Dems were plastering all of South Kensington with their tactical voting bullshit!

They had ZERO chance to win and now we lost our only ever decent MP. Fuck them to hell! SO GLAD that bitch Jo Swinson went down up in sweaty land! 'When I am PM in 5 weeks' Swinson! The brass balls on her Tory enabling arse!

Just devastated. 

[Atomiswave 6,119]

Im sorry but did you guys really think you have any say on whom becomes you leader and next PM and presidents etc? You dont. Its an illusion they have given us that we matter, that we have a say, We dont.

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

44 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Im sorry but did you guys really think you have any say on whom becomes you leader and next PM and presidents etc? You dont. Its an illusion they have given us that we matter, that we have a say, We dont.

Well you do wonder. Johnson refused to release the MI5 report into Russian meddling into the Referendum. Also 9 billionaire Russian oligarchs have donated hundreds of thousands to the tory party. Now, would they be allowed to do that without the approval of Putin ?

Cummings, Johnsons  'advisor' lived for four years in Moscow. Arron Banks financer of the Leave campaign has a Russian wife, and when he attended the Commons Select Committee said he only visited the Russian Embassy 'once for a boozy lunch' during the Referendum campaign. It transpired he visited 8 times -why lie ? What does Russia want - to break up the EU and the UK. Looks as though they will get their wish with Scotland breaking away as well.

[manpe 10,861]

8 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Well you do wonder. Johnson refused to release the MI5 report into Russian meddling into the Referendum. Also 9 billionaire Russian oligarchs have donated hundreds of thousands to the tory party. Now, would they be allowed to do that without the approval of Putin ?

Cummings, Johnsons  'advisor' lived for four years in Moscow. Arron Banks financer of the Leave campaign has a Russian wife, and when he attended the Commons Select Committee said he only visited the Russian Embassy 'once for a boozy lunch' during the Referendum campaign. It transpired he visited 8 times -why lie ? What does Russia want - to break up the EU and the UK. Looks as though they will get their wish with Scotland breaking away as well.

He is going for the pillars of NATO and EU - USA and UK. Once they have been irreparably damaged, their allies will fall in a domino effect - that I believe is the ultimate goal. Robert Mueller said Russians are coming back to meddle in the next elections as well, and they don't do it only in the States, they do it in a lot places... As an Estonian, I will be terrified if Trump gets re-elected. 

[Vesper 30,270]

49 minutes ago, manpe said:

He is going for the pillars of NATO and EU - USA and UK. Once they have been irreparably damaged, their allies will fall in a domino effect - that I believe is the ultimate goal. Robert Mueller said Russians are coming back to meddle in the next elections as well, and they don't do it only in the States, they do it in a lot places... As an Estonian, I will be terrified if Trump gets re-elected. 

yep,the Baltics square in the crosshairs 

 

on a lighter note

 

Eesti kiirabi tunnuslause:

'Aeg parandab kõik haavad'.

 

 

 

[Vesper 30,270]

Britain’s election
Victory for Boris Johnson’s all-new Tories

The Conservatives’ capture of the north points to a realignment in British politics. Will it last?

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/12/13/victory-for-boris-johnsons-all-new-tories

BRITAIN’S ELECTION on December 12th was the most unpredictable in years—yet in the end the result was crushingly one-sided. As we went to press the next morning, Boris Johnson’s Conservative Party was heading for a majority of well over 70, the largest Tory margin since the days of Margaret Thatcher. Labour, meanwhile, was expecting its worst result since the 1930s. Mr Johnson, who diced with the possibility of being one of Britain’s shortest-serving prime ministers, is now all-powerful.

The immediate consequence is that, for the first time since the referendum of 2016, it is clear that Britain will leave the European Union. By the end of January it will be out—though Brexit will still be far from “done”, as Mr Johnson promises. But the Tories’ triumph also shows something else: that a profound realignment in British politics has taken place. Mr Johnson’s victory saw the Conservatives taking territory that Labour had held for nearly a century. The party of the rich buried Labour under the votes of working-class northerners and Midlanders.

After a decade of governments struggling with weak or non-existent majorities, Britain now has a prime minister with immense personal authority and a free rein in Parliament. Like Thatcher and Tony Blair, who also enjoyed large majorities, Mr Johnson has the chance to set Britain on a new course—but only if his government can also grapple with some truly daunting tasks.

A cold coming they had of it
On a rainswept night the Conservatives marched into constituencies long seen as Labour strongholds (see Britain section). Blyth Valley, an ex-mining community in the north-east where Tories have for generations been the enemy, fell before midnight. Wrexham, Labour turf for more than 80 years, declared for the Conservatives at 2am. Great Grimsby, a struggling northern port held by Labour since the second world war, was taken soon after. By dawn it was clear that the “red wall” of Labour constituencies, which stretched unbroken from north Wales to Yorkshire, had been demolished.

Mr Johnson was lucky in his opponent. Jeremy Corbyn, Labour’s leader, was shunned by voters, who doubted his promises on the economy, rejected his embrace of dictators and terrorists and were unconvinced by his claims to reject anti-Semitism.

But the result also vindicates Mr Johnson’s high-risk strategy of targeting working-class Brexit voters. Some of them switched to the Tories, others to the Brexit Party, but the effect was the same: to deprive Labour of its majority in dozens of seats.

Five years ago, under David Cameron, the Conservative Party was a broadly liberal outfit, preaching free markets as it embraced gay marriage and environmentalism. Mr Johnson has yanked it to the left on economics, promising public spending and state aid for struggling industries, and to the right on culture, calling for longer prison sentences and complaining that European migrants “treat the UK as though it’s basically part of their own country.” Some liberal Tories hate the Trumpification of their party (the Conservative vote went down in some wealthy southern seats). But the election showed that they were far outnumbered by blue-collar defections from Labour farther north.

This realignment may well last. The Tories’ new prospectus is calculated to take advantage of a long-term shift in voters’ behaviour which predates the Brexit referendum. Over several decades, economic attitudes have been replaced by cultural ones as the main predictor of party affiliation. Even at the last election, in 2017, working-class voters were almost as likely as professional ones to back the Tories. Mr Johnson rode a wave that was already washing over Britain. Donald Trump has shown how conservative positions on cultural matters can hold together a coalition of rich and poor voters. And Mr Johnson has an extra advantage in that his is unlikely to face strong opposition soon. Labour looks certain to be in the doldrums for a long time (see Bagehot). The Liberal Democrats had a dreadful night in which their leader, Jo Swinson, lost her seat.

Yet the Tories’ mighty new coalition is sure to come under strain. With its mix of blue collars and red trousers, the new party is ideologically incoherent. The northern votes are merely on loan. To keep them Mr Johnson will have to give people what they want—which means infrastructure, spending on health and welfare, and a tight immigration policy. By contrast, the Tories’ old supporters in the south believe that leaving the EU will unshackle Britain and usher in an era of freewheeling globalism. Mr Johnson will doubtless try to paper over the differences. However, whereas Mr Trump’s new coalition in America has been helped along by a roaring economy, post-Brexit Britain is likely to stall.

Any vulnerabilities in the Tories’ new coalition will be ruthlessly found out by the trials ahead. Brexit will formally happen next month, to much fanfare. Yet the difficult bit, negotiating the future relationship with Europe, lies ahead. The hardest arguments, about whether to forgo market access for the ability to deregulate, have not begun. Mr Johnson will either have to face down his own Brexit ultras or hammer the economy with a minimal EU deal.

As he negotiates the exit from one union he will face a crisis in another. The Scottish National Party won a landslide this week, taking seats from the Tories, and expects to do well in Scottish elections in 2021. After Brexit, which Scots voted strongly against, the case for an independence referendum will be powerful. Yet Mr Johnson says he will not allow one. Likewise in Northern Ireland, neither unionists nor republicans can abide the prime minister’s Brexit plans. All this will add fuel to a fight over whether powers returning from Brussels reside in Westminster or Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh. The judiciary is likely to have to step in—and face a hostile prime minister whose manifesto promises that the courts will not be used “to conduct politics by another means or to create needless delays”.

Led all that way for birth or death?
There is no doubting the strength of Mr Johnson’s position. He has established his personal authority by running a campaign that beat most expectations. His party has been purged of rebels, and their places taken by a new intake that owes its loyalty to him personally. Having lost control of Parliament for years, Downing Street is once more in charge.

Mr Johnson will be jubilant about the scale of his victory, and understandably so. But he should remember that the Labour Party’s red wall has only lent him its vote. The political realignment he has pulled off is still far from secure.

 

This article appeared in the Leaders section of the print edition under the headline "Victory for Boris Johnson’s all-new Tories"

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

THE ELECTION RESULT

A big win for Boris but the non-brexit parties polled over 50%
Brexit is on however and it will ruin Britain for sure.

But what I don't understand about the opposition is why all this tribalism when Johnson was the common great enemy ?
They could have arranged everything re. tactical voting among themsleves. and in this way no one would lose a seat he was close to winning ! FPTP works that way.
Could Johnson have won if there was 100% tactical voting ?
The final party pecentages indicate otherwise.
It is perhaps mathematically possible -like with Trump and Hillary Clinton- but it looks to me extremely improbable.

After all, neither Labour nor the Liberals were anywhere near absolute majority and both were supposed to be looking forward to a post-election pact.
What else ?
No government ?
Boris pm not by winning but "praeses honoris causa" ?

It was not something unexpected - like say the 2016 referendum result was unexpected - so I just fail to understand who was responsible and why.
Please help me !

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/12/13/adam-boultons-david-cameron-gag-silly-funny/

[Vesper 30,270]

1 hour ago, Iggy Doonican said:

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/12/13/adam-boultons-david-cameron-gag-silly-funny/

classic banter!!!!!! 

fuck that pig fucker Cameron!