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[Fulham Broadway 16,407]

38 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

That's a self-fulfilling prophecy, though, isn't it? He's unelectable because they're saying he is, not because of anything to do with his political opinions.

Sanders has been portrayed as far left mainly because of the insanity of US politics around him. Granted England is pretty right as well, but I think Corbyn is actually proper old-school leftist; or at least that is what he seemed like before he became Labour leader. Now he seems to be edging ever closer to the center. Still, no way English media would let him anywhere near PM. 

The corporate media as we know are part of the 1%, so they go all out to portray anyone whos socialist, or egalitarian who might have any power over them as a wanker. Then they carry on 'donating' to the right wing parties.

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

ADL Adds ‘Pepe the Frog’ Meme to Hate Symbol Database

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/09/27/adl-adds-pepe-the-frog-meme-to-hate-symbol-database/

 

Pepe the Frog has been added to the Anti-Defamation League’s Hate Symbol Database, where it currently sits alongside symbols such as the Nazi swastika, burning crosses, and SS lightning bolts.

“In recent years, with the growth of the ‘alt right’ segment of the white supremacist movement, a segment that draws some of its support from some of the above-mentioned Internet sites, the number of ‘alt right’ Pepe memes has grown, a tendency exacerbated by the controversial and contentious 2016 presidential election,” wrote the ADL on their Pepe page. “Though Pepe memes have many defenders, not least the character’s creator, Matt Furie, who has called the alt right appropriation of the meme merely a ‘phase,’ the use of racist and bigoted versions of Pepe memes seems to be increasing, not decreasing.”

The ADL’s entry of Pepe the Frog into the Hate Symbol Database is accompanied with various modified images, portraying the cartoon frog as a Nazi, a Ku Klux Klan member, a negative stereotype of a Jew, and a black person.

Hate on Display, otherwise known as the Hate Symbol Database, was launched as a definitive collection of some of the world’s most hateful icons and symbols. It currently includes such entries as the Nazi swastika, the burning cross, “1488”, the Blood Drop Cross, the Confederate flag, the iron cross, Ku Klux Klan robes, a noose, the apartheid-era South African flag, SS lightning bolts, and Stormfront’s logo.

It is unknown as to why Pepe the Frog, a cartoon frog meme whose minimal links to “white supremacism” have been proven to be the result of two notorious trolls, is listed among the other symbols on the site, but it is likely to do with the debunked recent reports from both the mainstream media and the Clinton Campaign that claim Pepe to be a new symbol for white supremacy.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

Donald Trump's hair farm opened to the public.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

@Fulham Broadway this kind of shit is why Corbyn gets on my nerves. We all know that he's too knowledgeable to not know about everything Peres did and that that can't be his real opinion of him. He has to realize that when he tries to 'fit in' with establishment politicians he looses all his appeal and support.

[Fulham Broadway 16,407]

17 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

@Fulham Broadway this kind of shit is why Corbyn gets on my nerves. We all know that he's too knowledgeable to not know about everything Peres did and that that can't be his real opinion of him. He has to realize that when he tries to 'fit in' with establishment politicians he looses all his appeal and support.

No high profile people ever speak ill of the recently deceased. What is unique about Corbyn, and I am not neccesarily a fan btw,  is that he never slags anyone off, doesn't do personal,  but their policies. Anyway hes hardly gonna come out and say Peres was an expansionist cunt

[Fernando 6,376]

On 9/27/2016 at 5:35 PM, Iggy Doonican said:

Donald Trump's hair farm opened to the public.

heheh that one was funny. 

This one about Hillary as well:

 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

On 9/29/2016 at 0:27 AM, Fulham Broadway said:

No high profile people ever speak ill of the recently deceased. What is unique about Corbyn, and I am not neccesarily a fan btw,  is that he never slags anyone off, doesn't do personal,  but their policies. Anyway hes hardly gonna come out and say Peres was an expansionist cunt

No, I get that. I'm not saying slag off the guy who just died, I don't even expect him to come out and correct all the attempts at rewriting history the way he is being branded as 'a man of peace', but maybe don't participate in this kind of crap? 

On a related note, how powerful are PR and the media? They've genuinely got the majority of people calling a man who made Israel a nuclear power, who armed the Rawanda genocide, who killed thousands of Palestinains, who committed massacres in Lebanon so he could have better chances at an election, a man who wanted to sell nuclear weapons to apartheid South Africa FFS! And everyone is (unsarcastically) calling him a hero of peace!

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

here we go lads the beginning stages of the lead up to world war 3 and world economy crashing and total chaos and no one can enter 2017 without the microchip in their right hand and forehead. the false messiah/anti-messiah will be revealed soon to the world during world war 3.

 

US suspends bilateral contact with Russia over Syria

Published time: 3 Oct, 2016 17:36Edited time: 3 Oct, 2016 18:52

https://www.rt.com/usa/361482-bilateral-suspended-syria-ceasefire/

 

 

Washington has “suspended” bilateral contacts with Moscow over the Syrian crisis, the US State Department said. Russian Foreign Ministry said it was "disappointed" by the decision and accused the US of seeking to shift blame for its own failure in Syria.

TrendsSyria unrest

US officials had threatened for a week to withdraw from the Syrian peace process, after the latest ceasefire negotiated by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Secretary of State John Kerry collapsed amid bloody fighting.

[cosmicway 1,259]

The abolition of money was the clarion call of the "peoples revolution" two centuries ago.
When the Soviets came to power this was seen to be impossible so the rouble stayed as a means of exchange.
Later, in the year 1953, comrade Stalin printed the new rouble and a big propaganda campaign was launched, to herald the event.

Then came electronics.
The first bank cards were issued in the year 1977.
They were clumsy. The ATM machine read your account number and your signature but sometimes got stuck.
After three attempts you were out for 24 hours.
On a good Thursday night it left me without a tuppence (the Midland bank it was). The banks were to reopen on Easter Tuesday so I ate some hazelnuts during those Easter days.
Now they have progressed of course.

To cut a long story short I don't see why they won't convert everything to plastic.
Everything, down to aspirin tablets.
If you have a suddent toothache -or aching tooth- the chemist gives you one for free more often than not. But why not use the plastic card for even such small amounts ?

This ends tax evasion. From the 5 pence of the price of one aspirin pill, 0.5 goes to the treasury as the systems are interconnected and 4.5 to the shop. Furthermore the chemist's income tax is under control.

Now will that solve all problems ?
The system will become friendly ?
Are you sure it will ?

But I 'm afraid rather not.
The next phase is to control the defenceless populations.
How ?
What will happen is this:
Quite a number of jobs and trades that are legal now will be declared illegal, or you will have to pay a huge amount of tax in advance to carry on.
So if you are not an employee of the state you are practically finished.

This is in a nutshell the metacommunist concept.
How they 're gonna cops with the large number of deaths, from starvation - exposure ?
Gradually they find ways. Now they are into denying medication to cancer patients.
The "project" is in it's second-third year now.

You were n't going to see that happening under Hitler, if the reich lived for one million years (except if you were a Jew).
You saw it -partly- under Stalin and more of it under the Cambodian Pol Pot regime.
But this is now the pet system of the two political extremes and it is the leftists who are more keen on it among the two.

 

 

[Spike 12,049]

@CHOULO19 Given that you are in incredible close proximity to Syria, I'm just wondering if anything you know contradicts this woman's claims or even the opposite.

 

 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

12 hours ago, Spike said:

@CHOULO19 Given that you are in incredible close proximity to Syria, I'm just wondering if anything you know contradicts this woman's claims or even the opposite.

 

 

There's A LOT in there. Yeah, it started out with well known (if selective) facts but then just evolved into baseless conspiracy theory.

In reality, the aid convoy was most likely hit by the Russians just like the attack on the Syrian Army base by the US air force coinciding with an ISIS attack was most likely intentional. It was part of the 'negotiations' between the two countries and yes the negotiations failed because of these attacks but the main issue of dispute was about Aleppo about which they could not agree.

A few quick points as well:

-US policies in Syria are no where near as coherent as being made out in the video. Different US agencies have different goals and strategies which can often be contradictory.

- The US does not support a Kurdish state. They have always been against it. That is why they let Turkey start bombing the very same cities they helped the Kurdish forces take from ISIS days before.

- No, eastern Aleppo is not controller by Al Qaeda. Officially all Syrian opposition groups have no ties to Al Qaeda, including Al Nusra who re-branded into Ahrar Al Sham. But at this point most opposition groups share Al Qaeda's ideology and religious zealous. There are some differences but all opposition forces (unless you count the SDF as opposition forces) are Islamists now.

- The US is not seeking to arm Al Qaeda or similar groups. They don't mind arming and funding them but they don't prefer them either. The Islamist nature of the opposition forces now is not due to conscious US decisions. If anyone made a conscious decision to go in this direction it was the US allies in the region in Turkey, KSA and Qatar. Of course there are lots of other factors in there as well. 

-The white helmets do include fighters and men from Al Qaeda-like groups and they are being used as a PR stunt and yes they are not impartial and were started by USAID in their efforts for regime change in Syria. BUT it is undeniable that they do a much needed job of pulling people, mostly civilians, from under the rubble after airstrikes and yes they have saved the lives of thousands of innocents. One does not negate the other.

But regarding Aleppo right now, none of that matters. What matters is that there are at least 30000 civilians trapped inside a diminishing small area being bombed 24/7 by the Russian and Syrian air forces with no where to escape to. THAT should be everyone's primary concern in Syria right now. 

I know that all of that probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but then again very little about Syria does. 

[lucio 5,401]

On 27/09/2016 at 9:45 PM, KevinAshburner said:

ADL Adds ‘Pepe the Frog’ Meme to Hate Symbol Database

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/09/27/adl-adds-pepe-the-frog-meme-to-hate-symbol-database/

 

Pepe the Frog has been added to the Anti-Defamation League’s Hate Symbol Database, where it currently sits alongside symbols such as the Nazi swastika, burning crosses, and SS lightning bolts.

“In recent years, with the growth of the ‘alt right’ segment of the white supremacist movement, a segment that draws some of its support from some of the above-mentioned Internet sites, the number of ‘alt right’ Pepe memes has grown, a tendency exacerbated by the controversial and contentious 2016 presidential election,” wrote the ADL on their Pepe page. “Though Pepe memes have many defenders, not least the character’s creator, Matt Furie, who has called the alt right appropriation of the meme merely a ‘phase,’ the use of racist and bigoted versions of Pepe memes seems to be increasing, not decreasing.”

The ADL’s entry of Pepe the Frog into the Hate Symbol Database is accompanied with various modified images, portraying the cartoon frog as a Nazi, a Ku Klux Klan member, a negative stereotype of a Jew, and a black person.

Hate on Display, otherwise known as the Hate Symbol Database, was launched as a definitive collection of some of the world’s most hateful icons and symbols. It currently includes such entries as the Nazi swastika, the burning cross, “1488”, the Blood Drop Cross, the Confederate flag, the iron cross, Ku Klux Klan robes, a noose, the apartheid-era South African flag, SS lightning bolts, and Stormfront’s logo.

It is unknown as to why Pepe the Frog, a cartoon frog meme whose minimal links to “white supremacism” have been proven to be the result of two notorious trolls, is listed among the other symbols on the site, but it is likely to do with the debunked recent reports from both the mainstream media and the Clinton Campaign that claim Pepe to be a new symbol for white supremacy.

haha, low energy liberals can't handle pepe

[Fulham Broadway 16,407]

On ‎30‎/‎09‎/‎2016 at 8:04 AM, CHOULO19 said:

No, I get that. I'm not saying slag off the guy who just died, I don't even expect him to come out and correct all the attempts at rewriting history the way he is being branded as 'a man of peace', but maybe don't participate in this kind of crap? 

On a related note, how powerful are PR and the media? They've genuinely got the majority of people calling a man who made Israel a nuclear power, who armed the Rawanda genocide, who killed thousands of Palestinains, who committed massacres in Lebanon so he could have better chances at an election, a man who wanted to sell nuclear weapons to apartheid South Africa FFS! And everyone is (unsarcastically) calling him a hero of peace!

Blimey, didn't know he did all that -arming the Rwanda genocide -a genocide that we hear virtually nothing about. Not surprising if Israel armed them.

It is incredible the Zionist lobby influence. So was that Peres in power when Shatilla and Sabra massacres in Lebanon going on ?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

33 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Blimey, didn't know he did all that -arming the Rwanda genocide -a genocide that we hear virtually nothing about. Not surprising if Israel armed them.

It is incredible the Zionist lobby influence. So was that Peres in power when Shatilla and Sabra massacres in Lebanon going on ?

No, I think he came to power a few years afterwards. 

He was, however, the prime minister during the (first) Qana massacre in 1996. The IDF intentionally shelled a UN camp where they knew hundreds of refugees where hiding killing more than 100 civilians. That was during the 'Grapes of Wrath' operation when Peres basically launched an attack on south Lebanon (half of which Israel still occupied at the time) right before the Israeli elections so he would look 'tough' and get re-elected. He lost that election and 3 Israeli soldiers,14 Hezbollah fighters and about 170 Lebanese civilians lost their lives. 

[Spike 12,049]

6 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

There's A LOT in there. Yeah, it started out with well known (if selective) facts but then just evolved into baseless conspiracy theory.

 

As far as I'm concerned most of what we (the public) know may as well be that.

 

On 9/30/2016 at 3:04 AM, CHOULO19 said:

No, I get that. I'm not saying slag off the guy who just died, I don't even expect him to come out and correct all the attempts at rewriting history the way he is being branded as 'a man of peace', but maybe don't participate in this kind of crap? 

On a related note, how powerful are PR and the media? They've genuinely got the majority of people calling a man who made Israel a nuclear power, who armed the Rawanda genocide, who killed thousands of Palestinains, who committed massacres in Lebanon so he could have better chances at an election, a man who wanted to sell nuclear weapons to apartheid South Africa FFS! And everyone is (unsarcastically) calling him a hero of peace!

A hero of 'peace' for the Israelis. Bringing peace to one set of people may include the destruction of another; such is the nature of conflict. Who threw the first stone is largely irrelevant these days, the atrocities coming from everywhere are deeply saddening.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

28 minutes ago, Spike said:

A hero of 'peace' for the Israelis. Bringing peace to one set of people may include the destruction of another; such is the nature of conflict. Who threw the first stone is largely irrelevant these days, the atrocities coming from everywhere are deeply saddening.

That does raise an interesting question about what 'peace' means, or rather for whom. I remember a great talk by Chomsky about what it means when states talk about 'security' and that it is usually security for the ruling class and their business buddies.

In the case of Peres, his most notable achievements are pioneering the Israeli nuclear program, bloodily suppressing the second Intifada and launching a war on Lebanon.That by no rational interpretation makes the average Israeli citizen more secure or at peace. On the contrary that only encourages more resistance and more violence. By far the best any Israeli government can do to enhance the security and peace of its citizens is to eliminate the cause of the violence by ending the occupation. 

[Spike 12,049]

42 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

That does raise an interesting question about what 'peace' means, or rather for whom. I remember a great talk by Chomsky about what it means when states talk about 'security' and that it is usually security for the ruling class and their business buddies.

In the case of Peres, his most notable achievements are pioneering the Israeli nuclear program, bloodily suppressing the second Intifada and launching a war on Lebanon.That by no rational interpretation makes the average Israeli citizen more secure or at peace. On the contrary that only encourages more resistance and more violence. By far the best any Israeli government can do to enhance the security and peace of its citizens is to eliminate the cause of the violence by ending the occupation. 

The way I think of it is like this. Look at the Roman Republic during the Punic Wars. Carthago was the great enemy, it's existence was anathema to the survival of Rome (vice versa is also applied). Only through the complete destruction of Carthago could ensured 'peace' be achieved. Not to mention the control of the east-Mediterranean, trade routes and resources increasing the wealth and prosperity of the Roman people.

[Blue Armour 4,168]

9 hours ago, Spike said:

The way I think of it is like this. Look at the Roman Republic during the Punic Wars. Carthago was the great enemy, it's existence was anathema to the survival of Rome (vice versa is also applied). Only through the complete destruction of Carthago could ensured 'peace' be achieved. Not to mention the control of the east-Mediterranean, trade routes and resources increasing the wealth and prosperity of the Roman people.

I wonder whether Carthage could have subsisted if they had chosen not to resist the treaties/sanctions imposed upon them by Rome after each of the Punic wars. But like you said, conflict and destruction was probably inevitable especially with the struggle for supremacy and protecting interests, and the animosity towards each other...Delenda est Carthago, and all that..