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CHOULO19

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If Israel wanted to kill civilians, it is terrible at it. ISIS killed more civilians in two days (700 plus) than Israel has in two weeks. Imagine if ISIS or Hamas had Israel's weapons, army, air force, US support, and nuclear arsenal. Their enemies would've been annihilated long ago. If Israel truly wanted to destroy Gaza, it could do so within a day, right from the air. Why carry out a more painful, expensive ground incursion that risks the lives of its soldiers (64 soldiers died so far). And why would we constantly agree to ceasefires?

Your army told the US that your objective is to cause as much civilians death as possible. Targeting civilians is an official IOF policy! It is a plan you call the "Dahiya doctrine".

"...Israel will use disproportionate force upon any village that fires upon Israel, "causing great damage and destruction."...the possibility of harm to the population has been Hizballah leader Nasrallah's main constraint, and the reason for the quiet over the past two years."

Those are not my words. Those are the words of Major-General Gadi Eisenkot: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TELAVIV2329_a.html#efmBOyBWZ

No more excuses. No more LIES.

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LOL, Our objective is not to kill civilians. it's just to hurt an area that Hamas used to shot from to our cities. this is the TRUTH :)

but again I will not try to convince you because it's a waste of time, I have more important things to do.

Yes, your Major-General was just making a joke when he talked about the approved military plan called the "Dahiya doctrine" and how it aimed at causing as much civilian casualties as possible, right? Weird sense of humor...

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Yes, your Major-General was just making a joke when he talked about the approved military plan called the "Dahiya doctrine" and how it aimed at causing as much civilian casualties as possible, right? Weird sense of humor...

yes its deplorable. but Hamas have no qualms , putting dangerous weapons in schools and hospitals. bottom line is , neither cares less about civilian deaths.

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yes its deplorable. but Hamas have no qualms , putting dangerous weapons in schools and hospitals. bottom line is , neither cares less about civilian deaths.

I, and everyone supporting the Palestinians in this thread, have said multiple times how terrible Hamas are. But Hamas aren't the Palestinian people and Hamas aren't even the Palestinian resistance and they certainly aren't the reason why the IOF are massacring all those civilians. They are just the latest excuse. In fact, Israel helped Hamas gain prominence in Palestine because they make the perfect excuse. Read this: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10456.htm

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I, and everyone supporting the Palestinians in this thread, have said multiple times how terrible Hamas are. But Hamas aren't the Palestinian people and Hamas aren't even the Palestinian resistance and they certainly aren't the reason why the IOF are massacring all those civilians. They are just the latest excuse. In fact, Israel helped Hamas gain prominence in Palestine because they make the perfect excuse. Read this: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10456.htm

that article looks unreliable to me. i dont know what to believe. so many conflicting reports. im going to stop following the situation, and just pray for peace.

sadly , i see little chance of stability, in parts of the middle east, any time soon.

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that article looks unreliable to me. i dont know what to believe. so many conflicting reports. im going to stop following the situation, and just pray for peace.

sadly , i see little chance of stability, in parts of the middle east, any time soon.

There are many more sources.

Also for the others: you should read the Goldstein UN rapport on the use of palestinian human shields by the Israëli's during Cast Lead.

Or the thing of tying up of people on the front of army trucks to cause a riot and dras fire, while placing snippers all around.

This is all confirmed btw. So now what?

We can keep citing things from both sides, but the fact remains Israel is the oppressor in direct violating with International law and breaking human rights. Not even the US is denying that any more. Your time to pay will come, just as it once did in Nürenberg.

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Has the Russel Brand v Fox News dispute been posted yet? Sean Hannity is such an ignorant idiot :lol:

Part 1:

Part 2:

Russell understands the situation, fair play.

That Fox news anchor, what a fucking tool.

btw Fox News, known for its right wing bollocks, is owned by the same person who owns News of the World, who hacked the phone of a murdered school girl. The owner is Rupert Murdoch, who just happens to have large business interests in Israel.

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I do find it very tiresome how those who wish to legitimately criticise Israel are immediately tarnished with the tag of anti-antisemitism. Similar to how those wanting a debate on immigration are often tagged racist. It only serves to stifle debate and stir up frustration, bitterness and misinformation.

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This is the reality of Hamas:

Why do you keep on posting vids on Hamas like some on here support them? As far as I have read no one here supports the Hamas regime in any sense... Condemning the actions of Israel doesn't equal supporting Hamas...
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Why do you keep on posting vids on Hamas like some on here support them? As far as I have read no one here supports the Hamas regime in any sense... Condemning the actions of Israel doesn't equal supporting Hamas...

Because he is trying to imply that because Hamas are bad, it somehow justifies the killing of innocent civilians. I tried to argue with him at the start of the conflict but that's when all the ugly islamophobic stuff came out.

Btw, all those Hamas videos are taken out of context and largely mistranslated.

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